That was very painful to watch. I am praying this was a fluke.

If the last two games weren't sobering enough, consider this: Miami is probably better than Ohio right now. They just won at BG.

Miami has been an utter dumpster fire for years since Charlie Coles retired, had a disastrous offseason and seemed to have nothing going for them. I genuinely think their program is in better shape than ours right now.

Agree! The game will be over by halftime playing this style of slow paced ball.

I really don't want to get in the territory of ragging on the recruits who end up choosing Ohio, but there is a lot of talent in 2019 that an attractive mid-major can snag, but I don't exactly see us showering it with offers.

This is Samari Curtis. He averages 29 ppg in a Division 1 conference. His best offers are UC and X. We have beaten schools like these under previous coaches for recruits. We have not offered. http://gwocsports.com/bkPlayerStats.aspx?player=445361

This is Andre Gordon. He averages 27 ppg in that same conference. His only offers are from Kent and Akron. We have not offered. http://gwocsports.com/bkPlayerStats.aspx?player=446422

This is Amari Davis. He averages 22 ppg and shoots over 60% from the field in that same conference (2019 is the year of the GWOC!). He has only three offers, and his best is probably Toledo. We have not offered. http://gwocsports.com/bkPlayerStats.aspx?player=453107

There's a 6'9'' kid at Garfield Heights named Brison Waller. Garfield is coached by our own Sonny Johnson. Garfield is also probably the best team in the state this year and next. Though he is injured now, his best offers are Pitt, Penn State, and Kansas State. Then it's a handful of peer schools. We have not offered.

I don't know what our recruiting strategy is. As you can see, I've highlighted mostly guards, and we have offered Moeller's Miles McBride who is comparable to the three here. Is our strategy to offer one kid and only move to the next when that one drops us?

3 or 20 from three with 0 for 11 in the second half. Perhaps just a bad shooting night.

http://www.cmuchippewas.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2017-20...

#FireSaulHireGroce

Note for the sarcasm challenged: The above can't be taken literally.

Said Top 50 teams have to schedule Ohio for that to happen. Since it's so common place for MAC teams to do this, let's list out how frequently it has occurred in the conference over the last five years.

Off the top of my head, I can think of Ball State and thier win over Notre Dame this year.

Please, name some other ones for us.

I'm inclined to see how the next two months play our before demanding such things and agreeing with those statements. From my chair, it looks more like the results that came from the 2011-2013 seasons have created an unrealistic expectation in some cases.

Everyone talks about Frank's scheduling, cupcake wins etc vs. basketball. Frank took over a program which had a decade of 17 wins and 89 losses(Cleve and Lichtenberg) and 4 years of Knorr. (11 and 35). Saul took over a program that was 2 years removed from a sweet sixteen. Discuss.

Agree. And agree with the Block and Dartis comments - they can't be laying eggs....And Taylor better Man Up quick

What teams, historically, can you tell me have lost what would be their top two players (by a wide margin) going into the season and still won consistently? People can gripe all they want about the product on the court, but when you pluck away your star senior PG and have to rely on two TRUE FRESHMEN to fill his role, then lose your best post player to injury for essentially the whole season, I'm just not sure what you expect. Jaaron put us in a huge hole leaving and Jason's injury was probably the last nail in the coffin. The hope was, in my opinion, Jason Carter comes back for MAC play and helps stabilize the team and right the ship. Now it looks like that's not happening. What coach would save us from losing in this situation? John Groce couldn't even win conference road games with HEALTHY lineups. Remember that?

I was very proud of our effort early in the year and we were without Carter. We were also solid without Dartis or Mickle at the times when they sat out. We were the hustle team. I just don't know where that attitude has gone. There is no way CMU is as good as Western Kentucky or Indiana State. We hung with Marshall who is much better than CMU. I just don't get it. I feel like body language wise Butler is going the Culver route. I feel like Dartis is too nice sometimes. I was hoping he'd get that killer instinct. Block has regressed since the Indiana State game. Gollon is regressing as well. I feel like Kirk is turning into a special player but is getting no help and I still like Laster and Mickle as seniors but they're not "leaders." This is on Saul when the effort isn't there. We will be lucky to win 2 games in the MAC if we don't have effort because the rest of the league seems very solid effort-wise.