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OhioCatFan
2/5/2025 3:56 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
"Remember when I said you were committed to ruining every single thread with your repetitive drivel and then you said no, that's not what you're doing.

Yeah, I apologize. You're totally not doing that."

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DFC- you must be like many others on this website and can't handle the facts or the truth. What facts that I gave you that you don't you understand? The fact that the basketball coach constantly ends up third seed or worse or the fact that the former football coach in his four year tenure as head coach had the best conference record in the conference. Or do you like the fact that the mens basketball coach is paid the highest salary in the conference and his best finish is a three seed? And yet the former football coach was the 6th highest paid coach in the league, but yet in his tenure no coach had a better conference record. I'm not ruining this thread, I am giving you facts and many of you refuse to accept these facts. Just asking for a friend?
Now I get it!! You're Albin's agent and bitter that he CHOSE to sign with UNCC while still employed by Ohio University. Bad advice from agent and even worse for Albin to choose to leave with games remaining on the schedule.

You are absolutely ruining this thread as this is basketball. Please return to the Football threads and continue your rant there.
My guess is that he was Albin's agent's agent and he is trying to reduce his cognitive dissonance for giving the agent bad advice.
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GraffZ06
2/5/2025 6:30 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Actually you are ruining this thread and giving me a headache for not knowing how to use to the quote function.
I've fixed it for him before - alas he still screws it up every time. What can you expect? The poor guy can't tell the difference between the basketball and football forums. So goes life.
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bobcat 2000
2/6/2025 11:38 AM
that,s for sure. he doesn,t seem to be recruiting guys who have size and can protect the rim we need palyers like that. boals played for larry hunter when he was coach. when boals became coach i thought for sure he would be doing what hunter did. larry usually scheduled some pretty strong teams and recruited some solid players.
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BillyTheCat
2/6/2025 10:01 PM
bobcat 2000 wrote:expand_more
that,s for sure. he doesn,t seem to be recruiting guys who have size and can protect the rim we need palyers like that. boals played for larry hunter when he was coach. when boals became coach i thought for sure he would be doing what hunter did. larry usually scheduled some pretty strong teams and recruited some solid players.
That was also 30 years ago, and rivalries like WVU got tired of losing and then economy of scale came to play. OHIO University and the Convo also used to have some major concerts too. It’s all about the dollars.
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greencat
2/10/2025 11:00 AM
Can the Pavia lawsuit benefit our basketball recruiting?

This article implies not only JUCO but D-2 years to not count against the running total of years/seasons played by an athlete. I guess that's the implication. And, no, this link is NOT Vandy-specific. That's a mere coincidence. It could apply to our football program as well.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbil... /
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BillyTheCat
2/10/2025 12:15 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
A "full grown man" center or power forward from a JUCO would be great for next season, particularly if he can't demand NIL money under the current rules.

If that means going after a guy from North-Central SouthWest Area Community College in Alabama/Florida/Mississippi who is actually out of the Caribbean and has a French/Spanish/Dutch accent, so be it.
Why do you suggest a player from a JUCO can’t demand NIL money?
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greencat
2/10/2025 1:08 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
A "full grown man" center or power forward from a JUCO would be great for next season, particularly if he can't demand NIL money under the current rules.

If that means going after a guy from North-Central SouthWest Area Community College in Alabama/Florida/Mississippi who is actually out of the Caribbean and has a French/Spanish/Dutch accent, so be it.
Why do you suggest a player from a JUCO can’t demand NIL money?
> IF < they are from outside the United States that is...

quote the Zach Edey example. 2x college MVP...could not get NIL money...

"Zach Edey, a Canadian basketball player at Purdue, cannot fully capitalize on NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals because he is on a student visa in the United States, which legally prevents him from making money through NIL deals that take place within the country; essentially, US laws restrict international students from participating in most NIL activities while on a student visa."
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BillyTheCat
2/10/2025 2:14 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
A "full grown man" center or power forward from a JUCO would be great for next season, particularly if he can't demand NIL money under the current rules.

If that means going after a guy from North-Central SouthWest Area Community College in Alabama/Florida/Mississippi who is actually out of the Caribbean and has a French/Spanish/Dutch accent, so be it.
Why do you suggest a player from a JUCO can’t demand NIL money?
> IF < they are from outside the United States that is...

quote the Zach Edey example. 2x college MVP...could not get NIL money...

"Zach Edey, a Canadian basketball player at Purdue, cannot fully capitalize on NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals because he is on a student visa in the United States, which legally prevents him from making money through NIL deals that take place within the country; essentially, US laws restrict international students from participating in most NIL activities while on a student visa."
I got ya now. Interestingly though some do through loopholes. But I’m following you now.
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71 BOBCAT
2/11/2025 12:57 PM
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



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GraffZ06
2/11/2025 3:36 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



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He absolutely has. Best example is taking Elliott from 10th man to the starting lineup. And he's paying off.

This years team just doesn't have "it" and I still blame that on our "guys" being Clayton and Pavs and that's just not a winning combo.

I actually have some high hopes for next year's squad.

My ideal rotation would look something like:

PG: Elliott
SG: Need a big time 3pt shooter to pair w/ Elliott and Pavs. Kelly? Fisher? Burris?
SF: AJB
PF: Hadaway
C: Not on roster yet (portal)

Bench
PG: Pavs
SG: Sheldon
SF: James
PF: Kuany/Mosley
C: Evans
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OhioCatFan
2/11/2025 3:39 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



GO BOBCATS
Well, he may be a good coach when looked at in a relative sense, but he's not yet in Jim Snyder, Danny Nee, or John Groce territory yet, IMHO. I say "yet" because sometimes it takes a coach some years to get to his ultimate best. I'm hoping that we have not seen his best.
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FearLeon
2/11/2025 3:43 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



GO BOBCATS
He absolutely has. Best example is taking Elliott from 10th man to the starting lineup. And he's paying off.

This years team just doesn't have "it" and I still blame that on our "guys" being Clayton and Pavs and that's just not a winning combo.

I actually have some high hopes for next year's squad.

My ideal rotation would look something like:

PG: Elliott
SG: Need a big time 3pt shooter to pair w/ Elliott and Pavs. Kelly? Fisher? Burris?
SF: AJB
PF: Hadaway
C: Not on roster yet (portal)

Bench
PG: Pavs
SG: Sheldon
SF: James
PF: Kuany/Mosley
C: Evans
If PAV doesn’t start next season, I guarantee you he is portal bound.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/11/2025 3:45 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
He absolutely has. Best example is taking Elliott from 10th man to the starting lineup. And he's paying off.
Please explain the payoff here. Elliot's shown nice flashes of what he can be, but in terms of actual production there's been a ton of inconsistency, and the team itself is, you know, not good.

People really, really seem to want to give Boals credit this year and I am just not seeing it. Is there actually a compelling case to make that this season's been a good coaching job by Boals?
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SBH
2/11/2025 4:38 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



GO BOBCATS
He absolutely has. Best example is taking Elliott from 10th man to the starting lineup. And he's paying off.

This years team just doesn't have "it" and I still blame that on our "guys" being Clayton and Pavs and that's just not a winning combo.

I actually have some high hopes for next year's squad.

My ideal rotation would look something like:

PG: Elliott
SG: Need a big time 3pt shooter to pair w/ Elliott and Pavs. Kelly? Fisher? Burris?
SF: AJB
PF: Hadaway
C: Not on roster yet (portal)

Bench
PG: Pavs
SG: Sheldon
SF: James
PF: Kuany/Mosley
C: Evans
If PAV doesn’t start next season, I guarantee you he is portal bound.
Don't let the door...
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/11/2025 6:32 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Don't let the door...
Ya'll are nuts about Pavs, honestly. He isn't a good defender, and I totally get those critiques, but the idea that even if he's on the roster Elliot should be starting over him is kind of insane unless Elliot takes a massive, massive leap.

That's possible. Elliot's shown a lot of really intriguing flashes. But his actual production's been pretty sub-par, and he also looks lost on defense a lot himself.

The team Graf outlined above is not a good team, unless the two unnamed positions end up really, really strong. Otherwise? That team's worse than this year's team unless somebody like Elliot takes a massive, massive leap. Like I said, possible. But not the sort of thing we should be banking on.

We should absolutely want Pavs back -- look at his production and imagine what he'd be if he shoots at his career rate from 3. Why would people want to let that walk out the door?
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Felix
2/11/2025 9:02 PM
When does Boals' contract expire?
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BillyTheCat
2/11/2025 9:45 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



GO BOBCATS
Well, he may be a good coach when looked at in a relative sense, but he's not yet in Jim Snyder, Danny Nee, or John Groce territory yet, IMHO. I say "yet" because sometimes it takes a coach some years to get to his ultimate best. I'm hoping that we have not seen his best.
He’s the winninest coach by percentage and you put him 4th. You probably have a Fire Ryan Day sign in your yard.
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OhioCatFan
2/11/2025 10:52 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



GO BOBCATS
Well, he may be a good coach when looked at in a relative sense, but he's not yet in Jim Snyder, Danny Nee, or John Groce territory yet, IMHO. I say "yet" because sometimes it takes a coach some years to get to his ultimate best. I'm hoping that we have not seen his best.
He’s the winninest coach by percentage and you put him 4th. You probably have a Fire Ryan Day sign in your yard.
Look at the SOS of each of these coaches. Heck, I bet you or SBH could coach OHIO to a victory over Muskiingum, UCC, Defiance, Alabama State, Concordia Ann Arbor, North Carolina A&T, Purdue Northwest, etc. Now, these other coaches had an occasional cupcake on the schedule, but some of these teams Goals has dug up really stretch the cupcake envelope. But, I think you miss my major point, I'm not giving up on him quite yet. I'm holding out hope that he will improve.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/12/2025 7:22 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



GO BOBCATS
Well, he may be a good coach when looked at in a relative sense, but he's not yet in Jim Snyder, Danny Nee, or John Groce territory yet, IMHO. I say "yet" because sometimes it takes a coach some years to get to his ultimate best. I'm hoping that we have not seen his best.
He’s the winninest coach by percentage and you put him 4th. You probably have a Fire Ryan Day sign in your yard.
How's Boals' record against the top 3 teams in the MAC during his tenure? Is there a more accurate way to measure his success than on how he does against the conference we play in?
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BillyTheCat
2/12/2025 8:42 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



GO BOBCATS
Well, he may be a good coach when looked at in a relative sense, but he's not yet in Jim Snyder, Danny Nee, or John Groce territory yet, IMHO. I say "yet" because sometimes it takes a coach some years to get to his ultimate best. I'm hoping that we have not seen his best.
He’s the winninest coach by percentage and you put him 4th. You probably have a Fire Ryan Day sign in your yard.
How's Boals' record against the top 3 teams in the MAC during his tenure? Is there a more accurate way to measure his success than on how he does against the conference we play in?
It’s not been what he wants, and I’m sure he and the team are aware of that. And, I’m sorry, never seen that stat when people discussing head coaches outside of Columbus.

All-Time we have losing records to BuGS and Akron, not like they have been teams where we all the sudden struggle.
Last Edited: 2/12/2025 9:30:43 AM by BillyTheCat
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BillyTheCat
2/12/2025 9:14 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



GO BOBCATS
Well, he may be a good coach when looked at in a relative sense, but he's not yet in Jim Snyder, Danny Nee, or John Groce territory yet, IMHO. I say "yet" because sometimes it takes a coach some years to get to his ultimate best. I'm hoping that we have not seen his best.
He’s the winninest coach by percentage and you put him 4th. You probably have a Fire Ryan Day sign in your yard.
Look at the SOS of each of these coaches. Heck, I bet you or SBH could coach OHIO to a victory over Muskiingum, UCC, Defiance, Alabama State, Concordia Ann Arbor, North Carolina A&T, Purdue Northwest, etc. Now, these other coaches had an occasional cupcake on the schedule, but some of these teams Goals has dug up really stretch the cupcake envelope. But, I think you miss my major point, I'm not giving up on him quite yet. I'm holding out hope that he will improve.
Your memory is quite selective here are a couple seasons from Snyder

Marietta, Charleston, Ohio Wesleyan, Western ReserveCase Techand Morehead

Charleston, Ohio Wesleyan, Marietta, Horehead, GeorgetownKY, Baldwin WallaceMarietta (again)

WV Wesleyan, Marietta, st Francis PA, STEWART AIR FORCE BASE,

1960 team: Youngstown, Morehead, St Francis, South Dakota, Wittenberg, Morehead, St Francis PA again,

Coach Née: St Francis, Ohio Wesleyan, Heidelberg, E Kentucky,

Capital, Navy, Hofstra, Wagner, St Francis Pa, Marietta

I mean there are plenty of schedule paddlers in their seasons. Coach Snyder definitely stepped up the schedule with his best team but he still got that one Marietta game in there.

Perception isn’t always reality
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M.D.W.S.T
2/12/2025 9:51 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I remain convinced that Boals is a good coach.
Injuries are not the coach's fault. We currently have 3 guys out due to injuries, throw in 2 games for Clayton and there is a reason why we have struggled. Let's not forget the absence of Elmore for a few games.
I still have observed coach changing line ups to try get something to work. He is not just accepting things as they are but rather moving the line up around as well as positioning time outs a little differently.
I will be interested to see what players stay or can return for another year.



GO BOBCATS
Well, he may be a good coach when looked at in a relative sense, but he's not yet in Jim Snyder, Danny Nee, or John Groce territory yet, IMHO. I say "yet" because sometimes it takes a coach some years to get to his ultimate best. I'm hoping that we have not seen his best.
He’s the winninest coach by percentage and you put him 4th. You probably have a Fire Ryan Day sign in your yard.
How's Boals' record against the top 3 teams in the MAC during his tenure? Is there a more accurate way to measure his success than on how he does against the conference we play in?
I measure his success by being 1 of 1 coaches with an NCAA Tournament win (obviously, Groce won with us, but not Akron). And 1 of 3 coaches with a MAC Championship.

Who is your guiding light? Groce? Groce has 2 tournament appearances and no wins. Tod K? Toledo has a plethora of wins (avg of 22 a season, Boals is 19.6) and nothing but some regular season championships to show for it.
Last Edited: 2/12/2025 9:53:43 AM by M.D.W.S.T
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/12/2025 9:54 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
It’s not been what he wants, and I’m sure he and the team are aware of that. And, I’m sorry, never seen that stat when people discussing head coaches outside of Columbus. [/QUOTE]Sorry, which stat haven't you seen outside of Columbus? You think nobody outside of Ohio State is concerned with how their coaches perform against their conference?

[QUOTE=BillyTheCat]

All-Time we have losing records to BuGS and Akron, not like they have been teams where we all the sudden struggle.
Conference performance in men's college basketball is pretty much the whole deal at our level. There's no at large bids out there for the MAC, so the difference between a good season and a bad one is basically entirely dictated by how you rank in conference.

That's the measuring stick for any coach at OU. We need to be better than the teams we play most often. Not really seeing why it feels irrelevant to you.
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greencat
2/12/2025 9:55 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
A "full grown man" center or power forward from a JUCO would be great for next season, particularly if he can't demand NIL money under the current rules.

If that means going after a guy from North-Central SouthWest Area Community College in Alabama/Florida/Mississippi who is actually out of the Caribbean and has a French/Spanish/Dutch accent, so be it.
Why do you suggest a player from a JUCO can’t demand NIL money?
> IF < they are from outside the United States that is...

quote the Zach Edey example. 2x college MVP...could not get NIL money...

"Zach Edey, a Canadian basketball player at Purdue, cannot fully capitalize on NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals because he is on a student visa in the United States, which legally prevents him from making money through NIL deals that take place within the country; essentially, US laws restrict international students from participating in most NIL activities while on a student visa."
I got ya now. Interestingly though some do through loopholes. But I’m following you now.
The other post, about D-2 seasons potentially not counting against D-1 eligibility (aka the "Pavia Lawsuit") could come into play if hypothetically, Vic S. wanted to come back for another year as backup big role player off the bench. Not sure if "bird in the hand is better than two in the shrubs" would be the philosophy on a backup big.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/12/2025 10:06 AM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
I measure his success by being 1 of 1 coaches with an NCAA Tournament win (obviously, Groce won with us, but not Akron). [/QUOTE]Why? That seems incredibly reductive, and I don't understand why it makes sense that the school's highest paid employee should be measured by a single data point.

At some point, something accomplished in the 2020-2021 season sort of becomes irrelevant, right? I don't know that that's happened yet, but to decide Boals is a good coach until other coaches in the MAC win an NCAA tournament game feels like a completely arbitrary measure.


[QUOTE=M.D.W.S.T]
Who is your guiding light? Groce? Groce has 2 tournament appearances and no wins. Tod K? Toledo has a plethora of wins (avg of 22 a season, Boals is 19.6) and nothing but some regular season championships to show for it.
My "guiding light" is not other coaches. It's the basketball games that our basketball coach coaches and whether or not we're winning enough of them. When Boals plays Toledo, Akron, Kent State, and BG we lose more than we win. That's as true in the post-season as it is in the regular season.

Until that changes, we're far less likely to win NCAA tournament games and MAC Championships. What happens when we play the teams we need to beat to do those things is not irrelevant just because we won in 2021.
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