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M.D.W.S.T
2/3/2025 4:38 PM
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Cooper - Chicago
Keely - Cleveland
Jon Smith - SLU Transfer
Devaughn - Va. Beach
Freeman - Muncie
KVK - Netherlands
Offutt - Indiana
Bassett - Indiana
Baltic - Kansas City
Ricardo - Cincy/No KY
TJ Hall - Florida
Stevie - Gahanna

Tell me Groce wasn't doing the work, relative to what we are seeing now. This is squarely on Boals for not putting in the work.
Elmore - Cleveland
AJB - Orlando
Reef - Omaha, Nebraska
Ayden - Kentucky
Elliot - Orlando, FLorida
Nicol - Charleston, WV
Aiden - Lafayette, GA
Kuany - Melbourne, Australia
Jack Pav - Wisconsin
Estis - South Lake, Texas
Sheldon, Vic, Burris, AJC - Central Ohio

Jaylin - Connecticut
Wiz - Virginia
Baker - Dayton
Granger - Georgia
Sears - Alabama
Towns - Massachusetts
DW3 - Tallahassee
Ogbonda - Maryland
McDay - Akron


As always, I admire your consistency in being wrong about every single topic - but are you implying Groce did more work outside of Ohio or something?

Boals had the #1 MAC recruiting class in 2019, 2020, 2022, and 2024.

This 2024 class was ranked ahead of Florida, Texas Tech, WVU, Northwestern, BC, Butler, Minnesota, etc
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/3/2025 5:10 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
"Just go to the portal or JUCO and get an experienced big!"

Umm, just like that?

Jovante Brown demanded coin only to not start at a school we obliterated in the MAC Tournament and then he bounced out of K-Zoo after one year. You see big men parlaying an 8/4 average in the America East into scholarships in the Big East. How are we supposed to get anything useful playing this game? I look at a guy like Austin Parks at OSU who in two years has played in 21 games and scored a total of 20 points. He's probably portalling this spring. We offered out of high school - would we want him? Or would he be Wiz 2.0? He sure isn't "experienced."
Man, it sure seems like it's going to take our fanbase like 5 seasons worth of conference games where 80% of the teams we play have better bigs than us before we start to hold Boals accountable.

The whole MAC has the same challenges with the NIL we do. Yes, some schools may have bigger budgets than us, but we had $200k to spend this year. At some point, we gotta start spending it differently, no?
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Bobcat1996
2/3/2025 7:28 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Then plan on never going after another HS big as a mid-major. Ever. Just turn your entire frontcourt into JUCO and Portal 1-year mercenaries and rinse and repeat every single year. Who needs silly things like continuity and culture? Or plans.

Seems silly to me to completely eliminate a potential source of available needed talent to worship at the alter of the angry mob's here and now.
I'm with you here.

Mark Sears transferred to a final four team and last year was 2nd team All American. That's a little bit of an outlier, and I don't think we need to assume we always have national player of the year candidates on the roster.

Beyond him, we've been pretty unscathed by the transfer portal and it's been a net positive for us. We lost BVP, but only because he had an extra year of eligibility. In normal times, he graduates a Bobcat.

Beyond him, we've added two starting point guards (Hunter and Pavs), a very good combo guard/our best perimeter defender (Reef), a rotation big (Searls), and took a swing on a highly rated dude in Cornish. We've only lost non-contributors.

This year, our key guys include five players in their 3rd/4th year in the program.
Yeah and while all this is going on the football team lost 13 players to power four schools last season and still won 11 games and a conference championship. One of those players was a former MAC player of the year who led his team to the college playoffs. Another was a TE for the Buckeyes who won a national title. It can be done with proper recruiting because look at what happened this season. Several of those players were crucial parts of this historic season and they played at D 2 or I-AA levels the year before. Of course, many of you don't want to hear that the football program did well on this website. Maybe the highest paid coach in the league needs to take a pay cut?
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Bobcat Love
2/3/2025 8:06 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
As always, I admire your consistency in being wrong about every single topic - but are you implying Groce did more work outside of Ohio or something?

Boals had the #1 MAC recruiting class in 2019, 2020, 2022, and 2024.

This 2024 class was ranked ahead of Florida, Texas Tech, WVU, Northwestern, BC, Butler, Minnesota, etc
No dumbass, I'm implying Groce did BETTER work outside of Ohio.

Also, if Boals had the #1 MAC Recruiting Class all those years, why are we spectacularly AVERAGE with his players?
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shabamon
2/3/2025 8:45 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
"Just go to the portal or JUCO and get an experienced big!"

Umm, just like that?

Jovante Brown demanded coin only to not start at a school we obliterated in the MAC Tournament and then he bounced out of K-Zoo after one year. You see big men parlaying an 8/4 average in the America East into scholarships in the Big East. How are we supposed to get anything useful playing this game? I look at a guy like Austin Parks at OSU who in two years has played in 21 games and scored a total of 20 points. He's probably portalling this spring. We offered out of high school - would we want him? Or would he be Wiz 2.0? He sure isn't "experienced."
Man, it sure seems like it's going to take our fanbase like 5 seasons worth of conference games where 80% of the teams we play have better bigs than us before we start to hold Boals accountable.

The whole MAC has the same challenges with the NIL we do. Yes, some schools may have bigger budgets than us, but we had $200k to spend this year. At some point, we gotta start spending it differently, no?
Like I said, for whatever reason starting quality transfer bigs are not committing to Ohio. Which is why it's perplexing we don't make a ton of offers to high school prospects at the position where we could land a kid who isn't going to demand big NIL money up front. Check our profile on verbalcommits. It's peppered with offers to point guards and 6'5" wings. But 6'9"+ guys who could rebound and defend at the rim? Not so much. Women's team has been like this for years too.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
2/4/2025 7:32 AM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
Then plan on never going after another HS big as a mid-major. Ever. Just turn your entire frontcourt into JUCO and Portal 1-year mercenaries and rinse and repeat every single year. Who needs silly things like continuity and culture? Or plans.

Seems silly to me to completely eliminate a potential source of available needed talent to worship at the alter of the angry mob's here and now.
I'm with you here.

Mark Sears transferred to a final four team and last year was 2nd team All American. That's a little bit of an outlier, and I don't think we need to assume we always have national player of the year candidates on the roster.

Beyond him, we've been pretty unscathed by the transfer portal and it's been a net positive for us. We lost BVP, but only because he had an extra year of eligibility. In normal times, he graduates a Bobcat.

Beyond him, we've added two starting point guards (Hunter and Pavs), a very good combo guard/our best perimeter defender (Reef), a rotation big (Searls), and took a swing on a highly rated dude in Cornish. We've only lost non-contributors.

This year, our key guys include five players in their 3rd/4th year in the program.
Yeah and while all this is going on the football team lost 13 players to power four schools last season and still won 11 games and a conference championship. One of those players was a former MAC player of the year who led his team to the college playoffs. Another was a TE for the Buckeyes who won a national title. It can be done with proper recruiting because look at what happened this season. Several of those players were crucial parts of this historic season and they played at D 2 or I-AA levels the year before. Of course, many of you don't want to hear that the football program did well on this website. Maybe the highest paid coach in the league needs to take a pay cut?
Remember when I said you were committed to ruining every single thread with your repetitive drivel and then you said no, that's not what you're doing.

Yeah, I apologize. You're totally not doing that.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/4/2025 8:21 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
"Just go to the portal or JUCO and get an experienced big!"

Umm, just like that?

Jovante Brown demanded coin only to not start at a school we obliterated in the MAC Tournament and then he bounced out of K-Zoo after one year. You see big men parlaying an 8/4 average in the America East into scholarships in the Big East. How are we supposed to get anything useful playing this game? I look at a guy like Austin Parks at OSU who in two years has played in 21 games and scored a total of 20 points. He's probably portalling this spring. We offered out of high school - would we want him? Or would he be Wiz 2.0? He sure isn't "experienced."
Man, it sure seems like it's going to take our fanbase like 5 seasons worth of conference games where 80% of the teams we play have better bigs than us before we start to hold Boals accountable.

The whole MAC has the same challenges with the NIL we do. Yes, some schools may have bigger budgets than us, but we had $200k to spend this year. At some point, we gotta start spending it differently, no?
Like I said, for whatever reason starting quality transfer bigs are not committing to Ohio. Which is why it's perplexing we don't make a ton of offers to high school prospects at the position where we could land a kid who isn't going to demand big NIL money up front. Check our profile on verbalcommits. It's peppered with offers to point guards and 6'5" wings. But 6'9"+ guys who could rebound and defend at the rim? Not so much. Women's team has been like this for years too.
Yep, it's hard to understand. Going into next season, it feels like we're going to have no choice but to find a big in the portal, which it seems a lot of folks are convinced is next to impossible given the cost. We're already playing this season with a small ball lineup where Clayton plays up a position. Next year, it doesn't seem like we have a big on the roster who can give 20 minutes, let alone start. Hadaway is playing above his size at 4 already; no way he can shift to the 5.
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SBH
2/4/2025 8:51 AM
We are presumably giving Clayton some NIL dollars this year. Those will be freed up. We should go all out to get a big with as much of our NIL funds as possible.
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Kevin Finnegan
2/4/2025 9:02 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
We are presumably giving Clayton some NIL dollars this year. Those will be freed up. We should go all out to get a big with as much of our NIL funds as possible.
This also presumes that all NIL dollars are residual and not dependent on the player/team. Let's say he got $50K. There's nothing that says that frees up $50k next year. It's not a salary cap that has revenue sources necessarily funding it annually.
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Alan Swank
2/4/2025 9:07 AM
Kevin Finnegan wrote:expand_more
We are presumably giving Clayton some NIL dollars this year. Those will be freed up. We should go all out to get a big with as much of our NIL funds as possible.
This also presumes that all NIL dollars are residual and not dependent on the player/team. Let's say he got $50K. There's nothing that says that frees up $50k next year. It's not a salary cap that has revenue sources necessarily funding it annually.
There is no guarantee that the NIL pot next year will be as big as it was this year. Quite frankly, those who may have given last year and perhaps this year may just get tired of giving to that particularly cause. As for how much is in the pot, until there is some transparency in accounting, we'll never really know how much there is and who got what. Because someone told me something doesn't hold much water until verified on paper.
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FJC31
2/4/2025 9:13 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
We are presumably giving Clayton some NIL dollars this year. Those will be freed up. We should go all out to get a big with as much of our NIL funds as possible.
This also presumes that all NIL dollars are residual and not dependent on the player/team. Let's say he got $50K. There's nothing that says that frees up $50k next year. It's not a salary cap that has revenue sources necessarily funding it annually.
There is no guarantee that the NIL pot next year will be as big as it was this year. Quite frankly, those who may have given last year and perhaps this year may just get tired of giving to that particularly cause. As for how much is in the pot, until there is some transparency in accounting, we'll never really know how much there is and who got what. Because someone told me something doesn't hold much water until verified on paper.
This is where winning plays a factor. Those who donated previously, might be less inclined moving forward.
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FJC31
2/4/2025 9:23 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
"Just go to the portal or JUCO and get an experienced big!"

Umm, just like that?

Jovante Brown demanded coin only to not start at a school we obliterated in the MAC Tournament and then he bounced out of K-Zoo after one year. You see big men parlaying an 8/4 average in the America East into scholarships in the Big East. How are we supposed to get anything useful playing this game? I look at a guy like Austin Parks at OSU who in two years has played in 21 games and scored a total of 20 points. He's probably portalling this spring. We offered out of high school - would we want him? Or would he be Wiz 2.0? He sure isn't "experienced."
Man, it sure seems like it's going to take our fanbase like 5 seasons worth of conference games where 80% of the teams we play have better bigs than us before we start to hold Boals accountable.

The whole MAC has the same challenges with the NIL we do. Yes, some schools may have bigger budgets than us, but we had $200k to spend this year. At some point, we gotta start spending it differently, no?
Like I said, for whatever reason starting quality transfer bigs are not committing to Ohio. Which is why it's perplexing we don't make a ton of offers to high school prospects at the position where we could land a kid who isn't going to demand big NIL money up front. Check our profile on verbalcommits. It's peppered with offers to point guards and 6'5" wings. But 6'9"+ guys who could rebound and defend at the rim? Not so much. Women's team has been like this for years too.
Yep, it's hard to understand. Going into next season, it feels like we're going to have no choice but to find a big in the portal, which it seems a lot of folks are convinced is next to impossible given the cost. We're already playing this season with a small ball lineup where Clayton plays up a position. Next year, it doesn't seem like we have a big on the roster who can give 20 minutes, let alone start. Hadaway is playing above his size at 4 already; no way he can shift to the 5.
We've all talked about this in other threads, but I do really think it comes down to player profile and from what level.

It doesn't seem like we're able to shop at the D1 portal for size. But, I have a hard time believing we can't land one or two (Idk how my schollies we have) of the top 10 rebounders/shot blockers from JUCO, D2, or D3.

To me, that's the type we need to be targeting. We've learned this year that having a 5 who can shoot the 3 isn't advantageous when the entire team lacks rebounding and interior defense. If we can remove that requirement (even Kuany seems more like an outside player than inside based on tape), I don't think it'll be impossible to find what we're looking for.

Evans won't be ready next year and to your point -- trotting Hadaway out at the 5 and playing even smaller would be malpractice and more of the same.
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SBH
2/4/2025 11:56 AM
Kevin Finnegan wrote:expand_more
We are presumably giving Clayton some NIL dollars this year. Those will be freed up. We should go all out to get a big with as much of our NIL funds as possible.
This also presumes that all NIL dollars are residual and not dependent on the player/team. Let's say he got $50K. There's nothing that says that frees up $50k next year. It's not a salary cap that has revenue sources necessarily funding it annually.
Boals has a group of contributors - including Chad Estis and other former teammates - who have pledged a certain amount each year and who help organize fundraisers. Boals has complete control of which players get paid and how much.
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Alan Swank
2/4/2025 1:15 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
We are presumably giving Clayton some NIL dollars this year. Those will be freed up. We should go all out to get a big with as much of our NIL funds as possible.
This also presumes that all NIL dollars are residual and not dependent on the player/team. Let's say he got $50K. There's nothing that says that frees up $50k next year. It's not a salary cap that has revenue sources necessarily funding it annually.
Boals has a group of contributors - including Chad Estis and other former teammates - who have pledged a certain amount each year and who help organize fundraisers. Boals has complete control of which players get paid and how much.
Which I'm sure is pretty common but also potentially precarious at best. Having worked in university advancement, I've seen that some pledges are personnel related and some are institutional in nature. It will be interesting to see which category these fall in down the road.

One thing that would be interesting to see is if these donors were previously giving to OU, where those dollars were going. Has the university seen a net increase or decrease in giving due to NIL?
Last Edited: 2/4/2025 1:17:35 PM by Alan Swank
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Kevin Finnegan
2/4/2025 2:33 PM
So, if there is a steady stream, it'd be interesting to know if Boals spends it every year or if he has some in reserves. If he couldn't get the big man he wanted last year, did he pocket that money to use this offseason or did he just spend what he has?
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/4/2025 2:45 PM
This is why more and more programs are bringing GMs into the fold.

If you use the NBA as an example, the combo coach/GM basically never works. They're full-time jobs on their own, and have different skill sets. Boals is a basketball coach and until a couple of years ago that didn't necessitate his 1) knowing the market value of a player and 2) negotiating pay that gets the player to sign.

Ultimately, this is part of the job now. How this money gets spent and how much of it gets raised matters. We don't have to like it, but we've got to adapt, and I think the days of throwing up our hands as if the NIL is some unknowable beast are past. Boals' job is to win at the game he's playing.
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BillyTheCat
2/4/2025 3:18 PM
All this talk of NIL, but no one is mentioning how much revenue sharing
the University will be giving to ICA? How much of the maximum will we be willing to spend?
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Alan Swank
2/4/2025 3:52 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
All this talk of NIL, but no one is mentioning how much revenue sharing
the University will be giving to ICA? How much of the maximum will we be willing to spend?
This a very interesting starting point for a revenue sharing conversation. The last sentence is particularly interesting since is the majority of our "revenue."

Revenue does not include direct or indirect school support, student fees or unrecompensed (i.e. charitable) contributions to the athletic department from alumni and boosters.

https://nil-ncaa.com/football /
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Bobcat1996
2/4/2025 7:13 PM
"Remember when I said you were committed to ruining every single thread with your repetitive drivel and then you said no, that's not what you're doing.

Yeah, I apologize. You're totally not doing that."

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DFC- you must be like many others on this website and can't handle the facts or the truth. What facts that I gave you that you don't you understand? The fact that the basketball coach constantly ends up third seed or worse or the fact that the former football coach in his four year tenure as head coach had the best conference record in the conference. Or do you like the fact that the mens basketball coach is paid the highest salary in the conference and his best finish is a three seed? And yet the former football coach was the 6th highest paid coach in the league, but yet in his tenure no coach had a better conference record. I'm not ruining this thread, I am giving you facts and many of you refuse to accept these facts. Just asking for a friend?
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Cats5
2/4/2025 7:42 PM
Should be up 25+ right now. Bring back Jim Christian!!
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mid70sbobcat
2/4/2025 9:37 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
"Remember when I said you were committed to ruining every single thread with your repetitive drivel and then you said no, that's not what you're doing.

Yeah, I apologize. You're totally not doing that."

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DFC- you must be like many others on this website and can't handle the facts or the truth. What facts that I gave you that you don't you understand? The fact that the basketball coach constantly ends up third seed or worse or the fact that the former football coach in his four year tenure as head coach had the best conference record in the conference. Or do you like the fact that the mens basketball coach is paid the highest salary in the conference and his best finish is a three seed? And yet the former football coach was the 6th highest paid coach in the league, but yet in his tenure no coach had a better conference record. I'm not ruining this thread, I am giving you facts and many of you refuse to accept these facts. Just asking for a friend?
Now I get it!! You're Albin's agent and bitter that he CHOSE to sign with UNCC while still employed by Ohio University. Bad advice from agent and even worse for Albin to choose to leave with games remaining on the schedule.

You are absolutely ruining this thread as this is basketball. Please return to the Football threads and continue your rant there.
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SBH
2/4/2025 10:26 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
We are presumably giving Clayton some NIL dollars this year. Those will be freed up. We should go all out to get a big with as much of our NIL funds as possible.
This also presumes that all NIL dollars are residual and not dependent on the player/team. Let's say he got $50K. There's nothing that says that frees up $50k next year. It's not a salary cap that has revenue sources necessarily funding it annually.
Boals has a group of contributors - including Chad Estis and other former teammates - who have pledged a certain amount each year and who help organize fundraisers. Boals has complete control of which players get paid and how much.
Which I'm sure is pretty common but also potentially precarious at best. Having worked in university advancement, I've seen that some pledges are personnel related and some are institutional in nature. It will be interesting to see which category these fall in down the road.

One thing that would be interesting to see is if these donors were previously giving to OU, where those dollars were going. Has the university seen a net increase or decrease in giving due to NIL?
Alan: These donors were giving zilch to the university. They are supporting Jeff Boals, not the university or Athletics Dept.
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BillyTheCat
2/4/2025 11:59 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
"Remember when I said you were committed to ruining every single thread with your repetitive drivel and then you said no, that's not what you're doing.

Yeah, I apologize. You're totally not doing that."

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DFC- you must be like many others on this website and can't handle the facts or the truth. What facts that I gave you that you don't you understand? The fact that the basketball coach constantly ends up third seed or worse or the fact that the former football coach in his four year tenure as head coach had the best conference record in the conference. Or do you like the fact that the mens basketball coach is paid the highest salary in the conference and his best finish is a three seed? And yet the former football coach was the 6th highest paid coach in the league, but yet in his tenure no coach had a better conference record. I'm not ruining this thread, I am giving you facts and many of you refuse to accept these facts. Just asking for a friend?
He can’t handle when others know something he doesn’t.
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GoCats105
2/5/2025 10:28 AM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
"Remember when I said you were committed to ruining every single thread with your repetitive drivel and then you said no, that's not what you're doing.

Yeah, I apologize. You're totally not doing that."

Back to Top
DFC- you must be like many others on this website and can't handle the facts or the truth. What facts that I gave you that you don't you understand? The fact that the basketball coach constantly ends up third seed or worse or the fact that the former football coach in his four year tenure as head coach had the best conference record in the conference. Or do you like the fact that the mens basketball coach is paid the highest salary in the conference and his best finish is a three seed? And yet the former football coach was the 6th highest paid coach in the league, but yet in his tenure no coach had a better conference record. I'm not ruining this thread, I am giving you facts and many of you refuse to accept these facts. Just asking for a friend?
Actually you are ruining this thread and giving me a headache for not knowing how to use to the quote function.
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Alan Swank
2/5/2025 12:09 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
We are presumably giving Clayton some NIL dollars this year. Those will be freed up. We should go all out to get a big with as much of our NIL funds as possible.
This also presumes that all NIL dollars are residual and not dependent on the player/team. Let's say he got $50K. There's nothing that says that frees up $50k next year. It's not a salary cap that has revenue sources necessarily funding it annually.
Boals has a group of contributors - including Chad Estis and other former teammates - who have pledged a certain amount each year and who help organize fundraisers. Boals has complete control of which players get paid and how much.
Which I'm sure is pretty common but also potentially precarious at best. Having worked in university advancement, I've seen that some pledges are personnel related and some are institutional in nature. It will be interesting to see which category these fall in down the road.

One thing that would be interesting to see is if these donors were previously giving to OU, where those dollars were going. Has the university seen a net increase or decrease in giving due to NIL?
Alan: These donors were giving zilch to the university. They are supporting Jeff Boals, not the university or Athletics Dept.
That's what I thought but was curious to know for sure. So if Boals goes, so does the money. That brings an interesting dynamic in the coach selection interview process. Besides Xs and Os, recruiting, and philosophy among other things, "how much NIL money do you have in the bank or can guarantee coming with you?"
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