How does this compare to recent years?

Add Hungry Mouth bean burritos and vinegar fries and I think that should do it.

Seems like US News should list historical rankings on each school's site so that trends can be identified.

The overall USNWR ranking has drifted downward 2005 but the STEM field rankings have moved up and posted impressive graduate school rankings considering their are 765 accredited engineering schools and 350 that offer Physics, 1024 that offer Chemistry and 324 that offer graduate level math.

Industrial Engineering 75th
Physics 95th
Chemical Engineering 109th
Chemistry 119th
Civil Engineering 127th
Electrical Engineering 137th
Mathematics 144th
Mechanical Engineering 151st
Computer Science 152nd

https://www.ohio.edu/news/2023/04/numerous-graduate-progr...

Then HCOM was recently ranked 49th best medical school for primary care 49th out of 195 combined MD/DO schools for a Top 25% ranking, particularly impressive listing that high as a DO.

https://www.ohio.edu/news/2023/05/ohio-university-heritag...

How far are we really behind Miami and UC? IT seems like a lot but many of the universities are in fact tied in number.

105-Miami
115
121
127
137
151-Cincinnati
166
176
182-Ohio

Ohio is actually only 8 spots behind Miami because of all of the ties in the USNWR. They have more to lose by dropping because the main reason students attend is because of their perceived ranking.

How about a new ranking for colleges that are Top 50 in primary care, journalism and campus quad? Sorting them here by lowest ranking.

Medical+Journalism+Quad
1)Baylor (31+25+12)=68
2)Maryland (22+8+39)=69
3)Wisconsin (26+2+48)=76
4)Boston University (38+6+35)=79
5)Ohio (49+32+2)=83

Ohio is Top 5 by this criteria and a much higher peer set than USNWR.

Conclusion: Ohio should be ranked higher than Miami as it is greatly so in all 3 of those categories.

I always chuckled when sports folks used your method of "place" in ranking teams. 10 team league, one is 9 and 0, and three are 7 and 2, and two are 5 and 4 and one (your team) is 3 and 6. You finish 7th in this scenario not fourth.

Don't disagree, OUPride, but I will point out that OHIO is vastly better in graduate and professional education. Does this ranking not focus on undergraduate education? If not, then that means that there is even a bigger gap between OHIO and Miami in the undergraduate arena, since we would certainly rank way above them in graduate and professional education. That being said, I always take these kinds of rankings with a grain of salt, though some parents and families don't know that they are not really very reliable.

No Alan there really isn't 77 between Miami and Ohio because at those exact numbers Miami and Ohio are tied with several. Miami could be 114th and Ohio 177th if they weren't creating broad groupings which is 63 apart but we don't know because of these broad groupings. Further if Ohio moved up 8 positions in the rankings it would be tied with Miami.

This is more like the scenario in baseball where one team wins 85 and another 77. If the team that won 77 picked up 4 games and finished with 81 while the team that won 85 dropped 4 and finished with 81 they would be tied. This is how I view Miami's ranking at this point. They are what 49th in public school rankings. 25 years ago OU was 43rd while Miami was 22nd. Their relative decline is our gain.

For Ohio to move up in my estimation (beyond what is currently underway) it needs bumper freshan classes like was the case last year to steal the narrative away from UC/OSU/Miami. Offer more ammenties to students.

Interesting list. I note that we have many graduate programs they don't offer, and they also don't have a medical school. OHIO is a much more diversified university in terms of the range of post-graduate offerings. This is, of course, by design, as Miami decided years ago to try to become a glorified, less expensive, version of a private liberal arts college -- a public ivy, so called.

Thanks for the information on the number of Miami students graduating with business degrees. I didn't realize that the percentage was that high. I guess I fell for the "public ivy" notion, without looking at the actual data. I guess I should have known better, though, because my eldest daughter went there two years before she "saw the light" and transferred to OHIO.

I'd like to turn the clock back even further than your hypothetical to right after the Morrill Act was passed and have Miami and Ohio cooperate and split the A and M, which was legal, and have two Morrill Act Land Grant schools in the Buckeye State before the concept of starting a brand new school in Columbus was even a glimmer in the collective eyes of the General Assembly. According to Thomas Hoover, who wrote the seminal history of Ohio University, there was a small window of opportunity for a few years post rebellion when this could have happened. But, Hoover implies that the unwillingness of Ohio and Miami to devise a joint plan in the first few legislative sessions postwar gave time for other possibilities to develop and the idea of a new university to emerge as a salient concept.

As I re-read Hoover he provides some interesting detail.

First, in 1865 a commission set up by the legislature made a report recommending that the the Morrill land grant be split with one half going to Miami as an A&M and other half to a new college to be created in northern Ohio. A minority report recommended replacing Miami with a school in College Hill near Cincinnati. Neither report was adopted by the legislature.

Second, from 1865-70, Hoover says that "the question of founding an Ohio agricultural and mechanical college dragged on." He lists three proposals that got consideration during that time period: 1. Establishment of a new independent college with some emphasis on scientific and classical education, 2. The division of the grant between Ohio and Miami universities, each of which would establish an agricultural and mechanical department, and 3. the division of funds among a number of institutions, all of which would establish agricultural and mechanical departments.

He then says that the commissioner of education suggested a fourth plan, which would have "divided the funds between a centrally located professional institution and three well-endowed colleges in different parts of the state, which would be required to offer training in agriculture and science. Presumably, Ohio University would have been included in this plan."

Professor Hoover says that in this five year period that the Ohio and Miami trustees continued to lobby the legislature, often in conjunction with one another.

It's obviously a complex period in history, and with a few breaks could have gone more in Ohio University's favor. For instance, if John Brough, Ohio alumnus and Marietta native, had not died in office in 1865, he might have exerted significant influence in our favor. As a beloved war-time governor, he had tremendous political power.

FYI: Rutherford B. Hayes did not become Ohio governor until 1868. When Brough died he was succeeded by Lt. Governor Charles Anderson (1865-66), then Jacob Cox (1866-68), then Hayes (1868-72), Edward Noyes (1872-74), William Allen (1874-76), and then Hayes again (1876-71).

Edit: Very interesting detail about the University of Cincinnati. I'm curious, do you know the oldest of those colleges that went into the merged school? The one founded in 1809?