Yep, I was there with the tear gas and massive crowds. We coeds were sent home early for the summer and got pass or fail grades for each class. (no finals) The best part was the summer jobs were plentiful being out of school early.

It was an egregious decision to allow the guard on campus with loaded weapons, period. But our governor wanted to pander to the 1970 MAGA crowd so he could be elected to the U.S. Senate.

You ever seen the footage of the interviews with Gov. Rhodes and others in the immediate aftermath? Absolutely sickening!!!!

May 4th is part of our state of OHIO history. Please keep it accurate as possible.

Taken from Kent State M4Y Website: THE MAY 4 SHOOTINGS AT KENT STATE UNIVERSITY: THE SEARCH FOR HISTORICAL ACCURACY.

"In May 1970, at Kent State University in Ohio, National Guardsmen confronted student antiwar protestors with a tear gas barrage. Soon afterward, with no provocation, soldiers opened fire into a group of fleeing students. Four young people were killed, shot in the back, including two women who had been walking to class." (Norton et al., 1994, p. 732) Unfortunately, this short description contains four factual errors: (1) some degree of provocation did exist; (2) the students were not fleeing when the Guard initially opened fire; (3) only one of the four students who died, William Schroeder, was shot in the back; and (4) one female student, Sandy Scheuer, had been walking to class, but the other female, Allison Krause, had been part of the demonstration."

OR

Wikipedia: Jeffrey Miller. "Miller had taken part in the protests that day and had thrown a tear gas canister back at the Ohio National Guardsmen who had originally fired it." "Miller was unarmed when he was shot; he had been facing the Guardsmen while standing in an access road leading into the Prentice Hall parking lot at a distance of approximately 265 feet."

Any of the above justify the lethal response?

The search for historical accuracy—Kent M4Y strives for it.

“All students killed were walking to class” is not historically accurate.

Why is this in the Football thread? Move it to discussion thread please Moderator.

A little, very interesting, IMHO, perspective on Nixon and his anti-Semitism:
https://www.jta.org/2018/05/07/politics/richard-nixon-ant...

This subject has no business in a thread for discussing athletics.

Actually this "thread" which is what this is, is NOT about athletics, but rather about May 4th, 1970.

Complex? Nixon was paranoid and self-destructive due to his insecurity. I do not call that complex.

So, you are drawing a comparison between Mussolini and Nixon? Seems a little bit of stretch. Nixon was paranoid and handled the Vietnam War very badly, but so did LBJ, who was another complex person who did some good things while in office.

I said that LBJ did some good things. You outlined some of them. He also did some horrendous things, particularly his egomaniac handling of the Vietnam War. I knew several people who died in that needless war -- both those I served with and friends back home. Though I was in the service at that time I was never sent to Vietnam, but some people I trained with were. Some never returned. A ship that I was stationed on, the USS Newport News (CA-148), was sent to Vietnam after I was ordered off of it. So, in my mind LBJ, just like Nixon, was a mixed bag of good and bad. That's what I meant by saying they were complex people. I was not comparing either one to any European dictator.

And, as you probably know, LBJ had a very racist past, before he became president. So, it's also important to view people in the context of their entire life, and not take one period or a few isolated quotes and try to imply that they give a total picture of the person. Having said that, Nixon deserved to be removed from office if he hadn't resigned, but that doesn't mean that he didn't do some laudable things as president or that he was somehow evil to his core. And, as you pointed out, LBJ achieved some important milestones in the area of civil rights despite his racist past, but these important accomplishments are tarred by his escalation of the Vietnam War in a way that made it into a major conflict that was further mucked up when Nixon took over with his ridiculous "secret plan" to end the war. But, the basic onus for the Vietnam War was on LBJ. Many of us who were alive at the time feel that even though JFK sent advisors to Vietnam he would have had the sense not to send U.S. troops to Southeast Asia. I guess we'll never know the answer to that one for sure due to Lee Harvey Oswald, and whoever was behind that maniac. [Insert your favorite conspiracy theory here.]

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