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Topic: 2023 Freshman Class 4,704 Confirmations
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TWT
6/16/2023 5:31 PM
From the latest BOT meeting. Last year's class fall class was 4,441 and the 50% probability for this one is 4400 to 4600. Slightly more applications but a better yield percentage than what the univeristy was receiving in 2020.
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giacomo
6/17/2023 11:31 AM
How many do we accept?
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TWT
6/17/2023 2:48 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
How many do we accept?
They are all accepted and have committed to attend. The fall headcount is projected by the university to yield a little lower anywhere from 4400 to 4600.

4,441 is the current fresh class record set last fall. The probability of topping that again is 80%.
Last Edited: 6/17/2023 2:49:10 PM by TWT
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Alan Swank
6/17/2023 10:17 PM
Campus Flow wrote:expand_more
How many do we accept?
They are all accepted and have committed to attend. The fall headcount is projected by the university to yield a little lower anywhere from 4400 to 4600.

4,441 is the current fresh class record set last fall. The probability of topping that again is 80%.
You missed his point. Of all of the applicants, how many and what percentage were accepted?
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TWT
6/20/2023 5:46 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
How many do we accept?
They are all accepted and have committed to attend. The fall headcount is projected by the university to yield a little lower anywhere from 4400 to 4600.

4,441 is the current fresh class record set last fall. The probability of topping that again is 80%.
You missed his point. Of all of the applicants, how many and what percentage were accepted?
In the BOT notes they have everything in terms of admits and the percent of admits who accept (yield).

Going back to 2019 this is what they have:

2019 19,843 (18.5%)
2020 19,700 (15.9%)
2021 19,245 (19.0%)
2022 21,610 (20.6%)

2020 the admitted student number was in line with 2019 & 2021 but the yield slipped slipped. This lends creedence to the Alan theory the university was getting simply outsold, particularly in fall of 2020. The revamped marketing effort has helped apparently to pull that yield back up for the university.
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OUPride
6/21/2023 8:07 PM
Campus Flow wrote:expand_more
How many do we accept?
They are all accepted and have committed to attend. The fall headcount is projected by the university to yield a little lower anywhere from 4400 to 4600.

4,441 is the current fresh class record set last fall. The probability of topping that again is 80%.
You missed his point. Of all of the applicants, how many and what percentage were accepted?
In the BOT notes they have everything in terms of admits and the percent of admits who accept (yield).

Going back to 2019 this is what they have:

2019 19,843 (18.5%)
2020 19,700 (15.9%)
2021 19,245 (19.0%)
2022 21,610 (20.6%)

2020 the admitted student number was in line with 2019 & 2021 but the yield slipped slipped. This lends creedence to the Alan theory the university was getting simply outsold, particularly in fall of 2020. The revamped marketing effort has helped apparently to pull that yield back up for the university.
2020, OSU totally misjudged what their yield would be and dipped down into their applicant pool to compensate. Yield was better than they thought, and they ended up with an 8K+ freshman class. I'm sure that affected us to a degree.
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TWT
6/22/2023 1:59 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
How many do we accept?
They are all accepted and have committed to attend. The fall headcount is projected by the university to yield a little lower anywhere from 4400 to 4600.

4,441 is the current fresh class record set last fall. The probability of topping that again is 80%.
You missed his point. Of all of the applicants, how many and what percentage were accepted?
In the BOT notes they have everything in terms of admits and the percent of admits who accept (yield).

Going back to 2019 this is what they have:

2019 19,843 (18.5%)
2020 19,700 (15.9%)
2021 19,245 (19.0%)
2022 21,610 (20.6%)

2020 the admitted student number was in line with 2019 & 2021 but the yield slipped slipped. This lends creedence to the Alan theory the university was getting simply outsold, particularly in fall of 2020. The revamped marketing effort has helped apparently to pull that yield back up for the university.
2020, OSU totally misjudged what their yield would be and dipped down into their applicant pool to compensate. Yield was better than they thought, and they ended up with an 8K+ freshman class. I'm sure that affected us to a degree.
Good point.
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TWT
6/22/2023 2:11 PM
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The board also got a real-time update on Senate changes to the state’s budget bill that could impact higher education.

One would prohibit public universities from requiring sophomores to live on campus, which would impact revenue and could present challenges in a small community like Athens with limited rental housing.

“In Athens we need the dorms, the students need the dorms,” Viehweger said. “We firmly believe that living in dorms is a positive for students for their development and their continued success.”

Room and board is Ohio University’s third-largest source of revenue, behind tuition and state appropriations. Removing mandatory housing requirements for sophomores will not only impact the budget but make it more challenging for the university to plan for how much dormitory space it needs.

https://woub.org/2023/06/20/ohio-unversity-freshmen-enrol... /
News out the state might prohibit universities requiring sophmores live in the dorms. That would mess up everything in Athens as its been set that way forever and the university has built out the dorms to satisfy that requirement.
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OhioCatFan
6/23/2023 10:50 PM
Campus Flow wrote:expand_more
The board also got a real-time update on Senate changes to the state’s budget bill that could impact higher education.

One would prohibit public universities from requiring sophomores to live on campus, which would impact revenue and could present challenges in a small community like Athens with limited rental housing.

“In Athens we need the dorms, the students need the dorms,” Viehweger said. “We firmly believe that living in dorms is a positive for students for their development and their continued success.”

Room and board is Ohio University’s third-largest source of revenue, behind tuition and state appropriations. Removing mandatory housing requirements for sophomores will not only impact the budget but make it more challenging for the university to plan for how much dormitory space it needs.

https://woub.org/2023/06/20/ohio-unversity-freshmen-enrol... /
News out the state might prohibit universities requiring sophmores live in the dorms. That would mess up everything in Athens as its been set that way forever and the university has built out the dorms to satisfy that requirement.
I doubt that bill will pass the General Assembly. It's Bill Senate Bill 367. At this point it has all but one sponsor, Andrew Brenner, a freshman Republican from the Columbus area. Probably a personal vendetta of some sort.
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OUPride
6/24/2023 12:12 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
The board also got a real-time update on Senate changes to the state’s budget bill that could impact higher education.

One would prohibit public universities from requiring sophomores to live on campus, which would impact revenue and could present challenges in a small community like Athens with limited rental housing.

“In Athens we need the dorms, the students need the dorms,” Viehweger said. “We firmly believe that living in dorms is a positive for students for their development and their continued success.”

Room and board is Ohio University’s third-largest source of revenue, behind tuition and state appropriations. Removing mandatory housing requirements for sophomores will not only impact the budget but make it more challenging for the university to plan for how much dormitory space it needs.

https://woub.org/2023/06/20/ohio-unversity-freshmen-enrol... /
News out the state might prohibit universities requiring sophmores live in the dorms. That would mess up everything in Athens as its been set that way forever and the university has built out the dorms to satisfy that requirement.
I doubt that bill will pass the General Assembly. It's Bill Senate Bill 367. At this point it has all but one sponsor, Andrew Brenner, a freshman Republican from the Columbus area. Probably a personal vendetta of some sort.
He sounds like part of the crowd that wants to destroy public education for ideological reasons. This isn't like the early Rhodes era where there were some winners and losers. This is a general attack on the very idea of public higher education and liberal arts education.
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OhioCatFan
6/24/2023 1:59 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
The board also got a real-time update on Senate changes to the state’s budget bill that could impact higher education.

One would prohibit public universities from requiring sophomores to live on campus, which would impact revenue and could present challenges in a small community like Athens with limited rental housing.

“In Athens we need the dorms, the students need the dorms,” Viehweger said. “We firmly believe that living in dorms is a positive for students for their development and their continued success.”

Room and board is Ohio University’s third-largest source of revenue, behind tuition and state appropriations. Removing mandatory housing requirements for sophomores will not only impact the budget but make it more challenging for the university to plan for how much dormitory space it needs.

https://woub.org/2023/06/20/ohio-unversity-freshmen-enrol... /
News out the state might prohibit universities requiring sophmores live in the dorms. That would mess up everything in Athens as its been set that way forever and the university has built out the dorms to satisfy that requirement.
I doubt that bill will pass the General Assembly. It's Bill Senate Bill 367. At this point it has all but one sponsor, Andrew Brenner, a freshman Republican from the Columbus area. Probably a personal vendetta of some sort.
He sounds like part of the crowd that wants to destroy public education for ideological reasons. This isn't like the early Rhodes era where there were some winners and losers. This is a general attack on the very idea of public higher education and liberal arts education.
I suspect it's more likely that he has a kid in college that he doesn't want to live in a dorm, or he's heavily invested in off-campus housing at O$U.
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Pete Chouteau
6/27/2023 6:01 PM
Funny you suggest that...

Upon graduating from The Ohio State University, Brenner spent 11 years as an entrepreneur in the real estate and mortgage fields.
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OUPride
6/28/2023 8:39 AM
Pete Chouteau wrote:expand_more
Funny you suggest that...

Upon graduating from The Ohio State University, Brenner spent 11 years as an entrepreneur in the real estate and mortgage fields.
Could be a bit of both. He's also an ideological nutjub, so taking his higher ed cues from DeSantis and Abbott would be one hundred percent in character. Non-political: he's also the buffoon who did an official zoom call while driving his car.
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TWT
9/14/2023 9:53 AM
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OHIO’s fall 2023 first-year cohort on the Athens campus tipped over the 4,500 mark this year, beating the fall 2022 all-time record of 4,441 with 4,516 incoming students. The incoming class boasts students from all 88 Ohio counties, 37 states, Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia. The University also saw significant growth in students from neighboring West Virginia, with more than 100 new first-year Bobcats hailing from the Mountain State, a 66 percent increase over last year.

The class includes a record number of entering first-year students who will be the first in their family to earn a degree, at 1,138 or 25.5 percent of the class. The proportion of Athens campus Pell-eligible enrolled freshmen grew to 23.5 percent, an almost 3 percent increase year over year.

The incoming Athens cohort is once again the highest achieving class in the University’s 219 year history with the average incoming high school GPA rising to 3.65.

https://www.ohio.edu/news/2023/09/ohio-university-enrollm...
Class ended up settling in at 4,516 students but a record class size.
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Alan Swank
9/14/2023 1:34 PM
The one number that is conspicuously missing from this article is the total on campus undergraduate enrollment. In 2016 it was 18,209 and fell to 14,729 in 2021. Anyone know the number for 2023?

https://www.ohio.edu/iea/student-data/enrollment/levelenr...
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BillyTheCat
9/14/2023 2:11 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
The one number that is conspicuously missing from this article is the total on campus undergraduate enrollment. In 2016 it was 18,209 and fell to 14,729 in 2021. Anyone know the number for 2023?

https://www.ohio.edu/iea/student-data/enrollment/levelenr...
With online enrollment, I bet it's closer to 2021 than 2016
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Jeff McKinney
9/14/2023 3:14 PM
From what I've seen, numerous colleges are experiencing record-sized freshman classes.
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Alan Swank
9/14/2023 3:49 PM
Here's a very interesting chart - number of first year students enrolled in various majors. Quite a few majors with less than 10 students enrolled.

https://www.ohio.edu/iea/student-data/enrollment/firstyre...
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TWT
9/14/2023 6:47 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
From what I've seen, numerous colleges are experiencing record-sized freshman classes.
Bowling Green had a good class of about 3,500. Record freshman GPA of 3.67.

https://www.bgsu.edu/news/2023/08/bgsu-welcomes-one-of-it...

My guess some of this is about making the ACT/SAT optional and places like BG are pulling in from small high schools without rigorous curriculums running up the GPAs.

Looking around Wright State and UC are up in enrollment. Can't find anything yet on Akron or Kent.

Toledo is up but only has 11,454 undergraduates.

https://news.utoledo.edu/index.php/09_12_2023/utoledo-ann... .
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Alan Swank
9/14/2023 9:24 PM
Campus Flow wrote:expand_more
From what I've seen, numerous colleges are experiencing record-sized freshman classes.
Bowling Green had a good class of about 3,500. Record freshman GPA of 3.67.

https://www.bgsu.edu/news/2023/08/bgsu-welcomes-one-of-it...

My guess some of this is about making the ACT/SAT optional and places like BG are pulling in from small high schools without rigorous curriculums running up the GPAs.

Looking around Wright State and UC are up in enrollment. Can't find anything yet on Akron or Kent.

Toledo is up but only has 11,454 undergraduates.

https://news.utoledo.edu/index.php/09_12_2023/utoledo-ann... .
It's called grade inflation and weighted grades.
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rpbobcat
9/15/2023 6:58 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
It's called grade inflation and weighted grades.

This is a big problem in colleges.

I've posted that I chair FDU's Industrial Advisory Committee for Civil Engineering and Civil and Construction Engineering Technology.

We work with the school administration and faculty to assure our programs meet all ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology) requirements.

ABET will not accept class grades when evaluating a program.

They require a university to develop an objective system to evaluate a program.

At FDU we use "Rubrics" .
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BillyTheCat
9/15/2023 8:27 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
It's called grade inflation and weighted grades.

This is a big problem in colleges.

I've posted that I chair FDU's Industrial Advisory Committee for Civil Engineering and Civil and Construction Engineering Technology.

We work with the school administration and faculty to assure our programs meet all ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology) requirements.

ABET will not accept class grades when evaluating a program.

They require a university to develop an objective system to evaluate a program.

At FDU we use "Rubrics" .

So curious, what are your thoughts on a student who has a 4.1 on a 6.3 scale? And on that 6.3 scale, 4.1 still an A.
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OUPride
9/15/2023 8:45 AM
Campus Flow wrote:expand_more
From what I've seen, numerous colleges are experiencing record-sized freshman classes.
Bowling Green had a good class of about 3,500. Record freshman GPA of 3.67.

https://www.bgsu.edu/news/2023/08/bgsu-welcomes-one-of-it...

My guess some of this is about making the ACT/SAT optional and places like BG are pulling in from small high schools without rigorous curriculums running up the GPAs.

Looking around Wright State and UC are up in enrollment. Can't find anything yet on Akron or Kent.

Toledo is up but only has 11,454 undergraduates.

https://news.utoledo.edu/index.php/09_12_2023/utoledo-ann... .
OSU enrollment is down, but since they had 71K applications, I'm guessing it's a choice to be more selective. That might have something to do with the increases throughout the system. As I've advocated here before, I'd be all for some deal with OSU where they cap their freshman classes at around 6K and free up a lot of bodies for the other schools.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-universi... /
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rpbobcat
9/15/2023 8:56 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
So curious, what are your thoughts on a student who has a 4.1 on a 6.3 scale? And on that 6.3 scale, 4.1 still an A.
Would love to see how they come up with that.

Simple answer "WTF ? "
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TWT
9/15/2023 10:26 AM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
From what I've seen, numerous colleges are experiencing record-sized freshman classes.
Bowling Green had a good class of about 3,500. Record freshman GPA of 3.67.

https://www.bgsu.edu/news/2023/08/bgsu-welcomes-one-of-it...

My guess some of this is about making the ACT/SAT optional and places like BG are pulling in from small high schools without rigorous curriculums running up the GPAs.

Looking around Wright State and UC are up in enrollment. Can't find anything yet on Akron or Kent.

Toledo is up but only has 11,454 undergraduates.

https://news.utoledo.edu/index.php/09_12_2023/utoledo-ann... .
OSU enrollment is down, but since they had 71K applications, I'm guessing it's a choice to be more selective. That might have something to do with the increases throughout the system. As I've advocated here before, I'd be all for some deal with OSU where they cap their freshman classes at around 6K and free up a lot of bodies for the other schools.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-universi... /
OSU freshman class was 6,000 ten years ago but they pushed that up.

Their numbers are so big that its hard to maintain that mass without dipping lower into the applicant pool which they have the last couple of years. Regardless the entering class statistics are close to all time levels but have probably peaked.
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