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Robert Fox
12/9/2011 9:15 AM
Certainly one factor is the cost of initial construction. Do you want a home built of stone and solid brick? You can have one, but it will cost you perhaps 2 or 3 times more money upfront. Why do that when you can build a home that looks just as nice, built from 2x4s and plywood that will easily last you a lifetime, at a fraction of the cost.

Same with an insitutional building. If you're a contractor bidding on new dorm buildings on OU's campus, you won't likely plan to overbuild or overengineer--lest you get outbid and lose the contract altogether. That falls on the head of capital projects at OU, whoever that is, to ensure the specifications are high quality. Of course, if he did that, he would be the target of an angry public crying that he overspends.

Catch 22.
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Mike Johnson
12/9/2011 12:20 PM
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Mike,
You probably know, too, that most Euorpean homes are built to be lived in for generations.  Concrete, stone and brick are primamry materials.  They would probably bust a gut laughing at one of the hastily constructed housing tracts many of us call "home".


Ah, Bobcatbob, you are so right.  Close friends of mine are the Trautmanns (Christophe, Laura and son Frederic) who live in the French village of Ribeauville (featured prominently in my book, Warrior Priest).  We have visited them several times and stayed in their home - that was built as a "half timber" house in 1513. 

How can they be sure it was 1513?  Well, there are the village records, maintained meticulously in the Hotel d' Ville which itself dates back some 300 years.  In addition the builder etched the date in a stone embedded above the door. 

We are planning to attend the house's 500th birthday party in 2013.
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Andrew Ruck
12/22/2011 9:29 PM
Spent 2 years on New South...LOVED the mod concept.  I would sleep in a cardboard box if it meant not having a roommate in my sleeping/TV area...But still had the camradie of roomates with the mod-mates.  I'd hate to see the concept go.
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DelBobcat
12/25/2011 3:48 PM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
Mike,
You probably know, too, that most Euorpean homes are built to be lived in for generations.  Concrete, stone and brick are primamry materials.  They would probably bust a gut laughing at one of the hastily constructed housing tracts many of us call "home".


Ah, Bobcatbob, you are so right.  Close friends of mine are the Trautmanns (Christophe, Laura and son Frederic) who live in the French village of Ribeauville (featured prominently in my book, Warrior Priest).  We have visited them several times and stayed in their home - that was built as a "half timber" house in 1513. 

How can they be sure it was 1513?  Well, there are the village records, maintained meticulously in the Hotel d' Ville which itself dates back some 300 years.  In addition the builder etched the date in a stone embedded above the door. 

We are planning to attend the house's 500th birthday party in 2013.


Ah yes, but increasingly European countries are constructing homes and subdivisions that are much more similar to our "big box on a big dumb lot" concept.
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anorris
12/26/2011 2:59 AM
As we've branched a bit from campus to housing and built-to-last/disposable, this is a semi-relevant but interesting 60 Minutes piece from a couple weeks ago about the housing situation in Cleveland that might interest some of you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57344513/there-goes.../
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
12/26/2011 6:35 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Spent 2 years on New South...LOVED the mod concept.  I would sleep in a cardboard box if it meant not having a roommate in my sleeping/TV area...But still had the camradie of roomates with the mod-mates.  I'd hate to see the concept go.


There were so many horror stories I heard from other people that I never had to deal with in the mod concept. 

And as I am the world's most boring man, I'm sure people are glad they didn't have me as a roommate -- screaming that they needed to shut up and let me clearly hear the conclusion to this compelling episode of The American Experience or as God was my witness I would put on a Tom Waits album full blast in retaliation.
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L.C.
1/2/2012 10:38 AM
Regarding the build-to-last question, it is worth pointing out that those older buildings you refer to were no doubt constructed without central AC/Heat being an issue. Adding those to older buildings does not always work well, and rarely results in a very energy-efficient building. As energy costs rise, costs will increasingly favor newer, more energy-efficient construction.

Stone buildings are a perfect example of this - in their natural form, the are a thermal flywheel, holding cold from the night before well into the day, and heat from the day well into the night. That worked well in days before AC when we were willing to allow temperature to change during the day, but now that we want temperature controlled within a degree or two all the time, it would be very inefficient. Insulating the inside or outside can help, but then you lose the natural beauty, and rarely approaches the energy efficiency and/or comfort you can achieve starting from scratch.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
1/9/2012 1:04 PM
I saw today that Wolfe Apartments will be shut down and likely razed. South will have undergone quite a facelift by the end of the decade.
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SBH
1/10/2012 5:31 PM
Wolfe Street will likely become a parking lot, since the current lot in front of Adams Hall will be the site of one of the two large new dorms to be built in the near future.  Then they'll start to tear down the smaller New South dorms a few at a time.  I'm guessing the new configuration will be suites of 4-6 roommates rather than mods.




 
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Alan Swank
1/10/2012 8:26 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Wolfe Street will likely become a parking lot, since the current lot in front of Adams Hall will be the site of one of the two large new dorms to be built in the near future.  Then they'll start to tear down the smaller New South dorms a few at a time.  I'm guessing the new configuration will be suites of 4-6 roommates rather than mods.




 
 Good old Wolfe Street.  When number 9 on the old golf course layout used to parallel those apartments, my fellow golfers and I used to slice more than one ball over there in someone's soup.

According to today's paper, Brough, Cady, Fenzel, Foster, Martzoff and O'Bleness are coming down.

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mcbin
1/10/2012 9:12 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
According to today's paper, Brough, Cady, Fenzel, Foster, Martzoff and O'Bleness are coming down.


Did it say they were the first? Or only? 

If/when Smith/Atkinson come down, I'll have to try to get a couple bricks, to go along with a few others I have as keepsakes.
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Jeff McKinney
1/15/2012 9:19 PM
I lived in Hoover.
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bornacatfan
1/21/2012 1:14 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
I lived in Hoover.
there is a joke in there waiting to happen.....
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