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UpSan Bobcat
6/5/2012 10:00 PM
Thanks for the numbers Alan. It shows how much goes into trying to raise funds and how expenses are associated with it.

A couple of questions, though. Why is there so much cost associated with Split the Pot? It raised $37,000, so half of that is $18,500 that obviously goes to the winners.  The expense is listed at $26,500. What is the other $8,000 in costs?

Also, it seems that in thise case, the banquet was a $2,000 loss and the golf outing only netted $200. But I suppose unfortunately sometimes fundraisers work out that way.
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Alan Swank
6/5/2012 10:15 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Thanks for the numbers Alan. It shows how much goes into trying to raise funds and how expenses are associated with it.

A couple of questions, though. Why is there so much cost associated with Split the Pot? It raised $37,000, so half of that is $18,500 that obviously goes to the winners.  The expense is listed at $26,500. What is the other $8,000 in costs?

Also, it seems that in thise case, the banquet was a $2,000 loss and the golf outing only netted $200. But I suppose unfortunately sometimes fundraisers work out that way.


The split the pot is not a true 50/50.  The selling team took anywhere from 20 to 25% off the top which funded things that their normal budget didn't.  The rest was split 50/50.  We paid for all of the senior athletes and coaches for the banquet hence the loss.  The ticket sales and sponsors came close to covering the cost.  In essence, the banquet could be considered an inkind donation to the AD in that it didn't cost the department anything yet it was designed to honor the senior athletes.

The golf outing was never designed to be a fundraiser.  It was more of a kick off the season event aimed at getting folks excited for the fall season and as a means of recruiting new members.  Again, for so many years, our role was to serve as a social organization of fans supporting OU athletics that put butts in seats.  We were never a fund raising organization like the OBC or the Falcon Club or the myriad of other college athletic clubs out there.
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UpSan Bobcat
6/5/2012 11:25 PM
That makes sense with Split the Pot. The money still benefitted athletics, even though it wasn't evident in the budget. Same with the banquet. Thanks for clarifying and thanks for what the Green and White did during its time.
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Ryan Carey
6/5/2012 11:26 PM
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This math doesn't add up, and certainly doesn't support the argument that the G&W club had the actual athletic department's best interest in mind, just my opinion.


This is a fucking bullshit opinion.  I served on the board for many years up until about a year or two ago.  And this opinion is completely inaccurate and pisses me off to no end.  And, that it comes from a moderator of a site that allows folks to rip on coaches, the athletics department, and individual athletes with no mercy and seemingly no end makes it just fucking amazing.  Who doesn't have athletics best interest in mind?  Good grief.  That's some big, ignorant balls there son.  Wow.


Bad day at the office?

Based on the numbers which were being tossed around prior to Alan posting the budget, they suggested the official booster club (pre-OBC) of the Ohio Bobcats was donating 15% of its yearly income to the athletic department.  My comment was simply a question, what were the real numbers and did the tailgates eat up the other 85%?  Thanks to Alan's factual response, I have my answer.  

Alan said it best, it wasn't a fundraising organization, it was a social club.  Just as I told Alan in a PM, perhaps the club would still be around today if it privatized and broke away from the Athletic department back when the OBC started up.


And for the record, 90% of the shit the moderators take on this board is related to us protecting the best interests of the Athletic department...ie, cleaning up rumors, etc.  Look at the crap I took for taking down the IPF renderings last year, at the request of the Athletic Department.
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Alan Swank
6/6/2012 10:58 AM
Ryan Carey wrote:expand_more
This math doesn't add up, and certainly doesn't support the argument that the G&W club had the actual athletic department's best interest in mind, just my opinion.


This is a fucking bullshit opinion.  I served on the board for many years up until about a year or two ago.  And this opinion is completely inaccurate and pisses me off to no end.  And, that it comes from a moderator of a site that allows folks to rip on coaches, the athletics department, and individual athletes with no mercy and seemingly no end makes it just fucking amazing.  Who doesn't have athletics best interest in mind?  Good grief.  That's some big, ignorant balls there son.  Wow.


Bad day at the office?

Based on the numbers which were being tossed around prior to Alan posting the budget, they suggested the official booster club (pre-OBC) of the Ohio Bobcats was donating 15% of its yearly income to the athletic department.  My comment was simply a question, what were the real numbers and did the tailgates eat up the other 85%?  Thanks to Alan's factual response, I have my answer.  

Alan said it best, it wasn't a fundraising organization, it was a social club.  Just as I told Alan in a PM, perhaps the club would still be around today if it privatized and broke away from the Athletic department back when the OBC started up.


And for the record, 90% of the shit the moderators take on this board is related to us protecting the best interests of the Athletic department...ie, cleaning up rumors, etc.  Look at the crap I took for taking down the IPF renderings last year, at the request of the Athletic Department.


Even if we had wanted to do that, which we didn't, the NCAA would have never gone for it.  We spent our money on two things, things that benefited the AD (direct cash, split the pot revenue, a senior banquet, luncheons with the coaches, the Ox Roast) and things that benefited our members and their guests (tailgates, meet the team functions) which in turn brought in a group of loyal and satisfied fans.
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Ryan Carey
6/6/2012 11:14 AM
That's kind of what I meant...drop all the "booster" stuff and move it to 100% social tailgating club. I know it would go against the mission of the group, but the OBC took away the booster aspect when it came into existence.
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Ohio69
6/6/2012 1:28 PM
Ryan Carey wrote:expand_more
My comment was simply a question, what were the real numbers and did the tailgates eat up the other 85%?  


You didn't ask a question.  You stated quite directly that numbers do not add up and the club did not have the best interest of athletics in mind.  I'll repeat, as a former board member, that is flat out wrong on both counts and pisses me off to no end.
Last Edited: 6/6/2012 1:29:35 PM by Ohio69
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OUs LONG Driver
6/6/2012 2:13 PM
With the numbers available at the time of his reply I'd say his statement was accurate.  It's now much more clear thanks to Alan.  As far as not having the best interests of the department in mind that might be worded harshly.  I think it's more fair to state their financial contributions to the department were not substantial.   $10k-$20k  per year in the grand scheme of things for the department is really small potatoes (different story to you and I).  Since it was not their primary function I don't see anything wrong with that either.

It's fairly obvious the department as a whole is better off in the current scenario than years past, and that's really all that should matter.

If the information is available I firmly believe the OBC should reach out to those who left GWC without joinging OBC.  

We're all on the same side here.  
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Bobcat Love
6/6/2012 3:30 PM
I'll say it again.

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Good riddance.
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Bobcatbob
6/6/2012 4:50 PM
What in heaven's name is wrong with having a social organization of like minded individuals that affiliates itself with a sports team?  I will miss the G&W club for exactly the reasons that apparently incense others. 

No one ever pretended it wasn't a social club.  It was run entirely by people who worked hard at it and did good things for the University but also for its members.  What other clubs do you belong to?  The Eagles, maybe?  The K of C?  A golf, tennis or swim club?   The concept is not unique to Athens.  Anybody ever belong to a HS booster club?  Didn't the money to pay for stag night come out of the fees and fund raisers before it went toward new bleachers?

The issue to me isn't whether the G&W club adequately served the AD but why the AD felt threatened enough to force OBC membership on all members of the club, many of whom were OBC members to begin with.

For the record, I have never had a position within G&W and couldn't identify its Board in a lineup if my life depended on it.  Just sayin'.
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HeHateMiami
6/7/2012 11:16 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
 That's some big, ignorant balls there son.  Wow.

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[QUOTE=Lt. Daniel Kaffee] Don't call me son. I'm a lawyer, and an officer in the United States Navy, and you're under arrest you son of a bitch. 


I was really hoping that's how Ryan would respond.
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