Should be a good thing for our national reputation. Also noted that OSU had a freshman class of 7,121 this year but in 2015 had a graduating class of over 11,000. Lots of transfers from the regional campuses.

Just to clarify students coming from regional campuses are not transfers. Tranfers come from outside the institution.

We may not call them transfers but in talking with many high school students who tell me they are going to the Newark branch of osu or the Lancaster branch of OU, they say "and then I'll transfer to the main campus."

I'd like to see any reference to OSU gaming the USN&WR because I never have. I've read about Duke encouraging unqualified applicants to apply so they could have a lower acceptance rate, and I read about Clemson downgrading similar schools in the peer assessment while grading themselves like Harvard or Chicago. Never heard anything about OSU.

I know the thing for some is to pretend that there's nothing good about OSU in order to feel better about Ohio, but you're wrong on the transfer thing. I found the page. Same requirements to "change campuses" as to apply from an outside university--which as I noted in the other thread are steeper (30 vs 20 hours and higher GPA for certain colleges) than transfer requirements at Ohio.

http://campuschange.osu.edu/process.html

As for their branch campuses, of course there would be a bigger disparity with Columbus since their main campus is so hard to get into. I tried to compare them, but Ohio doesn't publicize a common data set for their branch campuses. OSU does, and here's what I found. Their middle 50% ACT scores are as follows:

Mansfield 21-25 ACT middle range
Newark 20-25
Marion 21-25
Lima 19-25
Columbus 27-31
Ohio--Athens is 22-26

In other words, Ohio is closer to OSU's branch campuses than they are to Columbus. It also tells me that OSU is sending a lot of kids with 23-26 on their ACT to a branch campus who would be easy admits at Athens, so it's not surprising that they are doing well enough at the branch campus to transfer to Columbus at a high rate.

As for transfers, I don't have a problem with any school--Ohio or OSU or Miami--giving kids a pathway to a second chance at admission. These are still public universities. While they don't maintain in-house branch campuses, UCLA and Berkeley do accept thousands of transfers from the California community college system each year.

One can bury their head in the sand about it and say it's all faked and Ohio has nothing to worry about. Or, one can take it seriously and as a challenge for how Ohio needs to improve and become more competitive. Complacency is not what Ohio needs right now. Wes had some great ideas about recruiting in the South and Mid-Atlantic. I've pointed out how much Ohio needs to increase merit aid to compete with Miami and OSU. All you seem to be saying is that none of it is real so why worry. [[AlfredENeuman.jpg]]

Correct, and that's largely due to economic reasons, if they can get 1 to 2 years in while living at home that's a 5 figure savings.

I think all branch campuses are open admission under Ohio law. Where I think OSU is separating itself is in having a large pool of kids with good, but not great, stats (23-26 on their ACT and top half--but not top quarter--of HS class) who are willing to go to a branch campus for a year or two before transferring to Columbus. That they have a higher talent pool at their branch campuses, means that they can have higher transfer requirements provided they stay in line with basic guidelines the state sets up.

At the upper end of that pool, we're talking about kids who would be in the top half (some in the top quarter) of Ohio's freshman class. They can't all be commuters from Newark or Lima, so I wonder what opportunity there is for Ohio to recruit them to Athens. Every one that we do creates a 20-22 kid that we send to a branch campus for a year or two. Ohio's freshman class profile increases, and quality attracts quality.

I'll say also that Ohio has too many branch campuses (twice the number that OSU does), and branch campus enrollment is fully 36% of Ohio's total undergraduate enrollment as opposed to 12% at OSU. The smaller system that OSU set up seems to be much more conducive to being used strategically to help the main campus. Ohio's is just too big and too unruly that I've never gotten a real sense of how it helps move Ohio--Athens forward.

Did someone hack Dave's account because that is about as poorly a written post as I've seen on here in some time.

I think the notion of attracting better faculty and better students is very much intertwined. I know that one of the primary arguments that OSU made in the 80s to undo Rhodes' mandate of open admissions is that they were having a hard time recruiting faculty of an equal stature to those who had joined OSU in the 40s and 50s and were retiring. Lesser quality faculty meant fewer research dollars coming into the state. I think it's a lot easier to attract a talented faculty and researchers if that candidate knows that he's going to deal with classes full of kids who scored 28-32 on the ACT.

Wes, what do you think about my idea to heavily recruit the better kids that OSU is sending to branch campuses to Athens? They'd increase our student profile, and I don't think any would transfer to OSU once they settled into college in Athens.

Just a few reflections, not meant to be argumentative.

While at Ohio, I never had a part-time or adjunct prof. The profs I did have ranged from fabulous to "how did you ever land a job here or keep one?"

At Marshall Law, I had two or three adjuncts and they were superb, combining academic smarts with on-the-street experience.

At Stanford, no part-timers or adjuncts and, with two exceptions, the profs I had were terrific, bringing to the classroom experience as board members of major companies. The two exceptions? One was bored - and boring - and the other possessed knowledge that was on the shallow side. We also had guest lecturers such as former secretaries of state George Schultz and Condi Rice and Intel founder Andy Gove.

I know that schools like to tout their faculty members with terminal degrees, but overall I appreciated the profs who brought at least a modicum of street creds to the classroom.

OUPride, I don't believe targeting OSU branch campus students to enroll in the dorms of Ohio University is worth the effort. For one there is only 6500 students at any given time at the branch campuses. That is for 2 years of enrollment so you are looking at 3250 freshman at those branch. The upper quartile of those students (812) has ACT of 25. Ohio State has always been a school that puts the ACT as the priority over the GPA. I'm willing to bet money that those students with +25 ACT are probably sub 3.0 GPA. Ohio for admitting students takes a balanced GPA/ACT approach and that is why their graduation rates are always higher than the predicted rates.

OSU is benefiting from the national trend in applying to Big Ten schools as a safety net and for this years class their average ACT is 28.8. They are beyond competition at this point. The primary competition for Ohio is Miami 24-29 (3.7) and Kent State 20-25 (3.3). Kent State has 6,000 freshman of which the upper quartile (talking 1500 students here) would be automatic Ohio admits. KSU has 3,500 students in their business school. Miami has higher stats than Ohio but keep in mind they only have 3,300 freshman to Ohio's 4,500. They also have 3,000 students majoring in business. Ohio I believe only has 2,400 majoring in business. McDavis has said the business school has outgrown Copeland and they are talking about fundraising for another business school building that would sit behind BW3. A building with more academic offices and a cafe like the new Journalism and Engineering buildings have would attract students and faculty.

A realistic target I believe for the main campus is a class that is 24-28 (3.6) with 30% out-of-state (up from 22-26, 3.4, 23%). The branch campus system is very important to Ohio though because the state's new funding formula provides money based on degree completion. The number of degrees awarded at Ohio has increased from 4,025 in 2007-08 to 6,301 in 2013-14. Student retention has become important and that is where those signature awards I believe will help to retain students because if they transfer out they'll lose scholarship money.

https://www.ohiohighered.org/sites/ohiohighered.org/files...

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/factbook.pdf

It amazes me where you continue to come up with these "facts" that you seem to state with authority. If OU has done away with lectures, the memo never made it to the department of modern languages.

http://modlang.ohio.edu/people /

Touche but which according to the modern languages page, was bad info. The reason I went looking for that was my neighbor is a lecturer so I knew that OU hasn't done away with them. At the end of the day probably more than half of the numbers that are being put out there as fact are bogus.