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Panda
2/4/2016 10:52 AM
Some may not agree, but I do feel that President McDavis has illustrated outstanding leadership to keep Ohio in the spotlight. His relationship with the Ohio legislature, Chairman of several state committees regarding education, his participation on national committees and his relationship with athletics to allow the upgrade of coaching while still maintaining the importance of education programs. Although some professors may not agree.
Thus, I am biased, but the increase of success in athletics has helped our enrollment to increase. Also the success of the College of Business, College of Engineering, Medical College and the College of Health Science and Professions has served to add new programs and recognition throughout Ohio.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
2/4/2016 1:10 PM
Panda wrote:expand_more
Some may not agree, but I do feel that President McDavis has illustrated outstanding leadership to keep Ohio in the spotlight. His relationship with the Ohio legislature, Chairman of several state committees regarding education, his participation on national committees and his relationship with athletics to allow the upgrade of coaching while still maintaining the importance of education programs. Although some professors may not agree.
Thus, I am biased, but the increase of success in athletics has helped our enrollment to increase. Also the success of the College of Business, College of Engineering, Medical College and the College of Health Science and Professions has served to add new programs and recognition throughout Ohio.
increasing enrollment is great if it indicates increased demand. but if we have increased demand, shouldn't we use that to re-assert ourselves as one of the more selective Universities in the state, as we once were? Regardless of the actually quality of the education and professors, selectivity seems to have more impact when publications complete their subjective rankings.
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Monroe Slavin
2/4/2016 4:30 PM
Selective? I'm not so sure. After all, many of us on this board were admitted. #grouchomarkwhywouldiwanttobeamemberofaclubthatwouldadmitme
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MedinaCat
2/4/2016 7:25 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Selective? I'm not so sure. After all, many of us on this board were admitted. #grouchomarkwhywouldiwanttobeamemberofaclubthatwouldadmitme
Yeah, in 1978 an ACT score of 22 got you into pretty much any state school. 24 for Miami. And the 2 years of foreign language that my HS guidance counselor advised me was a requirement to get into college was BS.
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Alan Swank
2/5/2016 8:16 AM
MedinaCat wrote:expand_more
Selective? I'm not so sure. After all, many of us on this board were admitted. #grouchomarkwhywouldiwanttobeamemberofaclubthatwouldadmitme
Yeah, in 1978 an ACT score of 22 got you into pretty much any state school. 24 for Miami. And the 2 years of foreign language that my HS guidance counselor advised me was a requirement to get into college was BS.
In 1979 all you needed was a diploma from an accredited Ohio high school to get into OU. As a dorm director for 225 freshman boys, we had several that were of questionable academic character at best.
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OhioCatFan
2/5/2016 10:36 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
. . . In 1979 all you needed was a diploma from an accredited Ohio high school to get into OU. As a dorm director for 225 freshman boys, we had several that were of questionable academic character at best.
That's still the state law that applies to all state-assisted universities in the Buckeye State; the clever ways that schools get around that law would make an interesting case study at one of the state's law schools. The most common practice is to say you can't come in the fall, but you can come in the second semester, or you have to start at a branch campus.

When I got my master's at OSU, it was commonly thought there -- incorrectly -- that that law only applied to OSU and that that was why they admitted anyone with a pulse. I know times have changed, but that law is still actually in place the last I looked, just a few years ago.
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TWT
2/6/2016 5:32 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Some may not agree, but I do feel that President McDavis has illustrated outstanding leadership to keep Ohio in the spotlight. His relationship with the Ohio legislature, Chairman of several state committees regarding education, his participation on national committees and his relationship with athletics to allow the upgrade of coaching while still maintaining the importance of education programs. Although some professors may not agree.
Thus, I am biased, but the increase of success in athletics has helped our enrollment to increase. Also the success of the College of Business, College of Engineering, Medical College and the College of Health Science and Professions has served to add new programs and recognition throughout Ohio.
increasing enrollment is great if it indicates increased demand. but if we have increased demand, shouldn't we use that to re-assert ourselves as one of the more selective Universities in the state, as we once were? Regardless of the actually quality of the education and professors, selectivity seems to have more impact when publications complete their subjective rankings.
You're right. Students pick schools on selectivity, which perpetuates further selectivity at those schools. Ohio has increased its freshman class in size 25% since the 90's while maintaining selectivity. If the decision was not to increase the class size the school by now would be much more selective. Stats in line with Miami and Ohio State with a higher performing student and attracting more high performing students with rising stats. It becomes a snowball effect. Why did Ohio increase enrollment then? I believe its because they want to get more money from state's higher education budget. Its a better move financially for the school. The legislature has Ohio capped at 20,000 undergraduates if I recall, so their is a limit as to how large the freshman classes can get. A class of 4,500 x 4 is 18,000 and that isn't counting transfer students or 5th-6th year seniors. The state is only giving money for graduating Ohio residents or non-residents that stay in state after graduation in the new formula. Its the state money and a recent 20% salary hike for faculty that it pays for.
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Alan Swank
2/6/2016 10:11 PM
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[QUOTE=Deciduous Forest Cat] [QUOTE=Panda] Its the state money and a recent 20% salary hike for faculty that it pays for.
Where in the heck did you come up with that figure?
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BillyTheCat
2/7/2016 2:20 AM
20% pay hike for professors? I know many who missed that in their checks
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OUPride
2/8/2016 10:30 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
. . . In 1979 all you needed was a diploma from an accredited Ohio high school to get into OU. As a dorm director for 225 freshman boys, we had several that were of questionable academic character at best.
That's still the state law that applies to all state-assisted universities in the Buckeye State; the clever ways that schools get around that law would make an interesting case study at one of the state's law schools. The most common practice is to say you can't come in the fall, but you can come in the second semester, or you have to start at a branch campus.

When I got my master's at OSU, it was commonly thought there -- incorrectly -- that that law only applied to OSU and that that was why they admitted anyone with a pulse. I know times have changed, but that law is still actually in place the last I looked, just a few years ago.
OCF is correct. Every state university is technically still open admissions, but they get around it by designating their branch campuses as the open admission areas.

The notion that Miami spins that they were somehow designated as selective admissions or, even worse, the honors branch of the system is pure myth making at its Fiami worst. They were able to circumvent the rules in the 60s by simply not building enough dorm space for the burgeoning baby boomer enrollment. Their former President who was Chair of the Regents (Millet) essentially cut a deal with Jim Rhodes to allow Miami to backdoor their way into selective admissions provided that he would carry water for Rhodes on the rest of his higher education agenda--community colleges, open admissions and a 4-year university in every corner of the state.

Alden made a gross error of judgement in initially siding with Miami over OSU thinking that Ohio would also get the benefits that Miami did, but Millet screwed him over and Ohio was treated the same as the rest of the system. Had Ohio sided with OSU and was able to put a system in place that let all the public universities compete for students equally (a system that OSU achieved anyways within a couple years of Rhodes and Millet leaving the scene), I truly believe that Ohio would be a much more selective university today.
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Jeff McKinney
2/8/2016 5:57 PM
Nice historical sketch, Pride.
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TWT
2/9/2016 9:20 PM
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As it turns out, faculty salaries at Ohio are in the midst of a large increase. First the school has let a lot of Group I faculty retire out as the numbers have reduced since 2008 from 726 to 660 (a net loss of 66). The total compensation strategy calls for Ohio to be in the Top 3 in salary for all professor ranks implemented over 3 years from 2014 to 2016 to catch up at a cost of additional $3.9 million. Overall a 9.5 million (14%) increase to the salary pool. This increases the base salary at Ohio from $103,757 (2013) for a full professor to $122,603 (2016). Ohio is still behind Ohio State $142,200 (2014-15 dollars) and Utah $129,000 (2014-15) but moves the school to #2 in state and #3 among the peer study schools in overall pay. It would take another $10.0 million to close the gap with OSU but OU doesn't have that as an objective. The objective is to keep pay within the top 3 of the in-state schools.

https://www.ohio.edu/finance/bpa/upload/Total-Compensatio...

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/faculty/OUSalaryStudy.pdf
Is that assuming other Universities remain "flat"? Either way that is an admirable goal and I applaud the University for upping that ante.
From my post 5 months ago. The faculty are getting a 14% raise, not 20% but its a nice step up. Good for Athens with more dollars in town and same with the greater enrollment. Miami is trying to go the private school route. I read somewhere that 1/4 quarter of their students are coming from families that make more than 250,000 a year and 76% greater than 100,000.
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OUPride
2/10/2016 10:11 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
As it turns out, faculty salaries at Ohio are in the midst of a large increase. First the school has let a lot of Group I faculty retire out as the numbers have reduced since 2008 from 726 to 660 (a net loss of 66). The total compensation strategy calls for Ohio to be in the Top 3 in salary for all professor ranks implemented over 3 years from 2014 to 2016 to catch up at a cost of additional $3.9 million. Overall a 9.5 million (14%) increase to the salary pool. This increases the base salary at Ohio from $103,757 (2013) for a full professor to $122,603 (2016). Ohio is still behind Ohio State $142,200 (2014-15 dollars) and Utah $129,000 (2014-15) but moves the school to #2 in state and #3 among the peer study schools in overall pay. It would take another $10.0 million to close the gap with OSU but OU doesn't have that as an objective. The objective is to keep pay within the top 3 of the in-state schools.

https://www.ohio.edu/finance/bpa/upload/Total-Compensatio...

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/faculty/OUSalaryStudy.pdf
Is that assuming other Universities remain "flat"? Either way that is an admirable goal and I applaud the University for upping that ante.
From my post 5 months ago. The faculty are getting a 14% raise, not 20% but its a nice step up. Good for Athens with more dollars in town and same with the greater enrollment. Miami is trying to go the private school route. I read somewhere that 1/4 quarter of their students are coming from families that make more than 250,000 a year and 76% greater than 100,000.
What I've always considered them to be: A Poor Man's Denison.

And thanks for the faculty salary info. Very informative.
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bornacatfan
2/14/2016 7:25 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
From my post 5 months ago. The faculty are getting a 14% raise, not 20% but its a nice step up. Good for Athens with more dollars in town and same with the greater enrollment. Miami is trying to go the private school route. I read somewhere that 1/4 quarter of their students are coming from families that make more than 250,000 a year and 76% greater than 100,000.
Heard that this weekend from a prof and his prof wife at Fiami. They talked about the rapidity of building new dorms over there. They also told some anecdotes of underclass folk driving Maseratis and Lambos and joked about how they watched them trying to shoe cases of beer for the weekend into them. Suffice to say the profs were not amused as they wistfully talked about their paychecks related to the pupils means.
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The Optimist
2/15/2016 7:48 AM
I've seen a couple Maseratis in Athens. Every one I have seen is driven by a Chinese student.
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BillyTheCat
2/15/2016 2:34 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
I've seen a couple Maseratis in Athens. Every one I have seen is driven by a Chinese student.
Article in the Dispatch a couple of months ago on this, how a couple of high end dealers (one in particular) caters to the Asian and Middle Eastern college student, as far as even picking them up at the airport, setting them up and even buying the car back when their education is completed and they return to their native nations.
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Alan Swank
2/15/2016 4:19 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
As it turns out, faculty salaries at Ohio are in the midst of a large increase. First the school has let a lot of Group I faculty retire out as the numbers have reduced since 2008 from 726 to 660 (a net loss of 66). The total compensation strategy calls for Ohio to be in the Top 3 in salary for all professor ranks implemented over 3 years from 2014 to 2016 to catch up at a cost of additional $3.9 million. Overall a 9.5 million (14%) increase to the salary pool. This increases the base salary at Ohio from $103,757 (2013) for a full professor to $122,603 (2016). Ohio is still behind Ohio State $142,200 (2014-15 dollars) and Utah $129,000 (2014-15) but moves the school to #2 in state and #3 among the peer study schools in overall pay. It would take another $10.0 million to close the gap with OSU but OU doesn't have that as an objective. The objective is to keep pay within the top 3 of the in-state schools.

https://www.ohio.edu/finance/bpa/upload/Total-Compensatio...

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/faculty/OUSalaryStudy.pdf
Is that assuming other Universities remain "flat"? Either way that is an admirable goal and I applaud the University for upping that ante.
From my post 5 months ago. The faculty are getting a 14% raise, not 20% but its a nice step up. Good for Athens with more dollars in town and same with the greater enrollment. Miami is trying to go the private school route. I read somewhere that 1/4 quarter of their students are coming from families that make more than 250,000 a year and 76% greater than 100,000.
Where are you "reading" and "hearing" these outlandish things. 14% - not according to my neighbors. And 76% with family income above $100,000 isn't that big a deal. That's two adults who teach public school.
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UpSan Bobcat
2/15/2016 8:12 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
As it turns out, faculty salaries at Ohio are in the midst of a large increase. First the school has let a lot of Group I faculty retire out as the numbers have reduced since 2008 from 726 to 660 (a net loss of 66). The total compensation strategy calls for Ohio to be in the Top 3 in salary for all professor ranks implemented over 3 years from 2014 to 2016 to catch up at a cost of additional $3.9 million. Overall a 9.5 million (14%) increase to the salary pool. This increases the base salary at Ohio from $103,757 (2013) for a full professor to $122,603 (2016). Ohio is still behind Ohio State $142,200 (2014-15 dollars) and Utah $129,000 (2014-15) but moves the school to #2 in state and #3 among the peer study schools in overall pay. It would take another $10.0 million to close the gap with OSU but OU doesn't have that as an objective. The objective is to keep pay within the top 3 of the in-state schools.

https://www.ohio.edu/finance/bpa/upload/Total-Compensatio...

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/faculty/OUSalaryStudy.pdf
Is that assuming other Universities remain "flat"? Either way that is an admirable goal and I applaud the University for upping that ante.
From my post 5 months ago. The faculty are getting a 14% raise, not 20% but its a nice step up. Good for Athens with more dollars in town and same with the greater enrollment. Miami is trying to go the private school route. I read somewhere that 1/4 quarter of their students are coming from families that make more than 250,000 a year and 76% greater than 100,000.
Where are you "reading" and "hearing" these outlandish things. 14% - not according to my neighbors. And 76% with family income above $100,000 isn't that big a deal. That's two adults who teach public school.
Only about 20 percent of households in America make more than $100,000.
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Monroe Slavin
2/16/2016 2:27 AM
It could be...and I'm far from Ohio politics...but a 14% raise is about unheard of these days. Is this correct? What are the terms...over how many years and is everyone getting it, did people not get raises for many years, etc. Very difficult to believe.
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The Optimist
2/16/2016 7:37 AM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
As it turns out, faculty salaries at Ohio are in the midst of a large increase. First the school has let a lot of Group I faculty retire out as the numbers have reduced since 2008 from 726 to 660 (a net loss of 66). The total compensation strategy calls for Ohio to be in the Top 3 in salary for all professor ranks implemented over 3 years from 2014 to 2016 to catch up at a cost of additional $3.9 million. Overall a 9.5 million (14%) increase to the salary pool. This increases the base salary at Ohio from $103,757 (2013) for a full professor to $122,603 (2016). Ohio is still behind Ohio State $142,200 (2014-15 dollars) and Utah $129,000 (2014-15) but moves the school to #2 in state and #3 among the peer study schools in overall pay. It would take another $10.0 million to close the gap with OSU but OU doesn't have that as an objective. The objective is to keep pay within the top 3 of the in-state schools.

https://www.ohio.edu/finance/bpa/upload/Total-Compensatio...

https://www.ohio.edu/instres/faculty/OUSalaryStudy.pdf
Is that assuming other Universities remain "flat"? Either way that is an admirable goal and I applaud the University for upping that ante.
From my post 5 months ago. The faculty are getting a 14% raise, not 20% but its a nice step up. Good for Athens with more dollars in town and same with the greater enrollment. Miami is trying to go the private school route. I read somewhere that 1/4 quarter of their students are coming from families that make more than 250,000 a year and 76% greater than 100,000.
Where are you "reading" and "hearing" these outlandish things. 14% - not according to my neighbors. And 76% with family income above $100,000 isn't that big a deal. That's two adults who teach public school.
Only about 20 percent of households in America make more than $100,000.
My Geography 101 prof ran through these statistics on the first day of class.
http://irememberthepoor.org/3-2 /

When you take a global view on it, making only $50,000 a year makes you the 1%.
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Ohio69
2/17/2016 8:52 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
It could be...and I'm far from Ohio politics...but a 14% raise is about unheard of these days. Is this correct? What are the terms...over how many years and is everyone getting it, did people not get raises for many years, etc. Very difficult to believe.
Its not unheard of at all. And normally done over 3-4 years. Kent State just finished negotiating a contract with their faculty union that provides 2% across the board raises and a 2% merit raise pool each year for the next three years. That's 12% in 3 years.
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Monroe Slavin
2/18/2016 11:34 PM
Okay, thanks...over the course of 3-4 or so years, I get it. In these days of low inflation, 14% isn't achieved in 1 or 2 years in the public sector.

Hey, is the 14% all in cash or in other ways (such as further contribs to retirement plans or health benefit plans)?
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Ohio69
2/24/2016 5:11 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Okay, thanks...over the course of 3-4 or so years, I get it. In these days of low inflation, 14% isn't achieved in 1 or 2 years in the public sector.

Hey, is the 14% all in cash or in other ways (such as further contribs to retirement plans or health benefit plans)?
I would assume the 14% is all cash. Retirement would be in addition to the 14%.
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