http://www.salon.com/2015/12/10/they_have_no_shame_its_co... /

Hillary in jail yet?

Are any of our "news" sources objective today?

rpbobacat--I agree; it'd be difficult to argue against your thought that many, many sources of information have a definite point of view.

As ususal, though, I look for a reasonably representative view/presentation of the truth.

OCF and I have had exchanges on politics. I lean left and my view is that he leans far right.

He's stated that Benghazi is going to bring Hillary down. I think that he's not real fond of Hillary. Okay.

The problem to me is that he's too far in the extreme right echo chamber.

Specifically, on email and Benghazi there's either nothing anyone cares about and/or no smoking gun evidence. Combine that with Hillary's connections and strong support from a significant part of the population--and it's not very likely that Benghazi is going to dent Hillary if it hasn't already. (How many dozen more fruitless investigations can Congress do?)

Unless you live on the extreme right.


OCF isn't too big on considering information which doesn't support his point of view. I'm not sure if he took these viewpoints but typical examples would be refusing to believe that Fiorina's claim about the Planned Parenthood video was incorrect or that attacks on Planned Parenthood locations are a result of right wing rhetoric. (I think he asserted both of these viewpoints but I don't have the time to go back and confirm.)

Let me start out by saying I'm a political junkie.Current and throughout history.

Other then "hard core" Democrats,I don't know if Mrs. Clinton's support is that strong.
Assuming she gets the nomination,and depending on who she is running against,
there are a lot of skeletons in her closet that could come back to haunt her.

As I recall,she pushed to topple Libya's government.
So Benghazi or not, she's going to have to deal with that cluster you know what.

She's also,for better or worse,going to be tied to the mistakes of the current administration including underestimating ISIS.

I also think she's gonna get hammered with issues concerning the Clinton Foundation.
Again,as I recall,the foundation was,at one time,called the Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation.

A number of Democrats I know think that something is in the works to scuttle Mrs.Clinton and bring in Biden as the party's savior.

Guess we'll find out.

When I was a lad, I leaned left on most issues. That led to some flaming arguments between me and my right leaning dad. One such argument moved Mom to tears. Dad and I were shocked when she started weeping. To us it was a political argument that didn't diminish our mutual love and respect.

My first job after Army service in Korea was in New York. While there, Nelson Rockefeller was governor. Although nominally a Republican and later a Republican VP (I've a photo above my home desk from a private meeting I had with him in his Old Exec Office Bldg office in December 1976 and, yes, I enjoyed the meeting), he was a big time spender. Pushed through a surtax on the already high state income tax. Introduced a lottery and off-track betting. I started leaning rightward.

Today? On fiscal and monetary issues, I lean right. On social and environmental issues, I lean left. What the heck does that make me?

Hillary? My late Arkansas-born wife Lynne couldn't stomach either Hillary or Bill. Lynne likely would be asking: "Why doesn't a TV network produce a special called Hillary's Lies?"

rp--It's pretty indeniable that the Clinton's are savvy about politics.

I think that her support at this time among women and minorities is pretty strong. Thus, I think it's fair to say that her support is reasonably broad. She may not be at the volume of the Repub candidates but in the background she's organizing, doing what it takes to be a formidable candidate for the final election...since it's pretty obvious that she'll be the Dem nominee.


It's interesting to me that the Dems do such a poor job of framing the political landscape. Like them or not, the Repubs are out there active and shouting.

As a left-leaner, I'd like to see Dems be much more assertive, much less reactive.

I'm not by any means saying that any end justifies any means but a case can be made that the Clinton's lies/peccadillos (sp?)/deceptions can be overlooked if you like their policies and/or don't like the opposition's approach and policies.

I know...there's the Whitewater death charge or some such that will be brought up...

It's tough. There are about no politicians out there who are both 1) normal and 2) unsullied.

OCF, my man!:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-chides-republicans-lack-alter...

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/12/21/3734185/msnb...