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The Optimist
6/8/2016 2:16 PM
I recently read a study that Americans who prefer wine to beer are 87% less likely to support Donald Trump.
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Alan Swank
6/8/2016 3:59 PM
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Perhaps he means more than just union, but even taken alone, 14 million is a big enough population to sway the vote one way or the other.
Agreed but when public employees and teacher unions are taken into account, most vote Democratic so I'm still confused as to what "working Americans" he appeals to. Maybe those who are now working in industries or formerly worked in industries that used to be represented by unions.
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Monroe Slavin
6/8/2016 3:59 PM
It appears that Trump will vote for Trump.


That is AMAZING, INCREDIBLE, TREMENDOUS, and THE BEST and should be enough to sway the election.
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BillyTheCat
6/8/2016 10:26 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Perhaps he means more than just union, but even taken alone, 14 million is a big enough population to sway the vote one way or the other.
Agreed but when public employees and teacher unions are taken into account, most vote Democratic so I'm still confused as to what "working Americans" he appeals to. Maybe those who are now working in industries or formerly worked in industries that used to be represented by unions.
Even though they serve as great whipping boys, union membership in this country is only around 11%, down 50% from the 1980's, so I always fail to understand how such a small number can be to blame for the failures of the economy
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TWT
6/8/2016 11:08 PM
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It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one.

Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently).
Trump triumphed over the republican field because he offered an economic message that working American's relate to. He doesn't have that edge in a general election to the same extent.
I'm a working American and so is my wife and we can't relate to his message. I guess I don't understand your definition of "working American."
I think "working American" is code for "Union."
I'm thinking more people that are middle income Americans making 35k-65k and raising families on it who like his economic message. That could be factory types but could also be service industry. These are also people who normally vote Republican or don't vote at all. His support is much broader than that but I am referring to the portion that likes that economic message.
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Monroe Slavin
6/9/2016 1:03 AM
If I offend anyone here with my remarks, then I was MISCONSTRUED.
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Alan Swank
6/9/2016 8:28 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one.

Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently).
Trump triumphed over the republican field because he offered an economic message that working American's relate to. He doesn't have that edge in a general election to the same extent.
I'm a working American and so is my wife and we can't relate to his message. I guess I don't understand your definition of "working American."
I think "working American" is code for "Union."
I'm thinking more people that are middle income Americans making 35k-65k and raising families on it who like his economic message. That could be factory types but could also be service industry. These are also people who normally vote Republican or don't vote at all. His support is much broader than that but I am referring to the portion that likes that economic message.
That's a very good answer Wes. I think the chart on this link that deals with consumption is reflective of what you are saying in your post.

http://money.cnn.com/infographic/economy/what-is-middle-c... /
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Bobcatbob
6/9/2016 9:54 AM
[For the third or fourth time I just composed and deleted a comment here that captures my thoughts on the Trump candidacy and the election cycle in general. Like other times, I deleted it. Mama said if you can't say something good about someone, ....]

I would like to wish all Americans Good Luck for the next four years. And don't forget that Canada has already tightened their North American immigration policies.
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bobcatsquared
6/9/2016 12:00 PM
My 90-year-old dad and 85-year-old mom have looked into the possibility of moving to Canada if a certain former Wrestlemania participant moves into the White House next January. I've advised them that Justin Trudeau has looked into building a wall along the US-Canadien border and make the US pay for it in just such a case.
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BillyTheCat
6/10/2016 5:54 AM
Wes, it's awfully difficult to call 35k with a family medium income, and the 65k with a family doesn't do much anymore either.

But funny, these people like his economic message, but what message? Once you get past the rhetoric it's all hot air with a couple of bad concepts such as protective tariffs, and tax policies that will make Kansas look like a state flourishing in revenue growth.
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Monroe Slavin
6/10/2016 6:53 PM
FROM THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE YOU DAN QUAYLE, SARAH PALIN AND BUSH II, IT'S DONALD TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Monroe Slavin
6/10/2016 6:54 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
FROM THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE YOU DAN QUAYLE, SARAH PALIN AND BUSH II, IT'S DONALD TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kinda sad when a cheap shot absolutely equals the truth
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Alan Swank
6/10/2016 7:09 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Wes, it's awfully difficult to call 35k with a family medium income, and the 65k with a family doesn't do much anymore either.

But funny, these people like his economic message, but what message? Once you get past the rhetoric it's all hot air with a couple of bad concepts such as protective tariffs, and tax policies that will make Kansas look like a state flourishing in revenue growth.
A family of four is eligible for Medicaid at $33,465 which is only 138% of the poverty level.
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Monroe Slavin
6/11/2016 1:28 PM
Republican leaders admitting Trump remarks are racist, silly, stupid and that he's unprepared to govern...but still supporting him.
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Monroe Slavin
8/7/2016 5:18 PM
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Both parties have flawed candidates.

Trump and Sanders' supporters are much more passionate then Hillary's.

It remains to be seen if Sanders supporters would come out for Hillary or just stay home.

Trump,being a lesser known commodity,also has a better chance to win over voters by "molding" his image.

I also think,especially after the release of the Inspector General's report last week,that the email issue is going to dog Hillary through the campaign.It remains to be seen how much Sanders uses it in the next week.

Correct about not much except that Trumpage has done a nice job of mildewing his image.
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rpbobcat
8/7/2016 7:05 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Both parties have flawed candidates.

Trump and Sanders' supporters are much more passionate then Hillary's.

It remains to be seen if Sanders supporters would come out for Hillary or just stay home.

Trump,being a lesser known commodity,also has a better chance to win over voters by "molding" his image.

I also think,especially after the release of the Inspector General's report last week,that the email issue is going to dog Hillary through the campaign.It remains to be seen how much Sanders uses it in the next week.

Correct about not much except that Trumpage has done a nice job of mildewing his image.
Was at a Drum and Bugle Corps competition this weekend in Allentown Pa.

One of the corps did a show called "Propaganda".It includes references to the 2016 election, including Trump and Hillary signs.

Our seats were with a group of senior women from Bethlehem Pa. and another group from Vermont.
After the corps finished, the ladies from Pa. and the group from Vermont were talking about how they keep getting poll calls.
They women said they hate (their words) Mrs. Clinton, but tell the pollster they're voting for her, just to skew the poll results.They said their friends do the same thing.

Then the people from Vermont said they do it too.

Its hardly a scientific sample, but it seemed unusual that two groups of people, from different states who never met before, would take that approach.
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Monroe Slavin
8/7/2016 8:24 PM
I guess...But if you are really for Trump, don't you tell the pollsters that in order to boost his numbers, in order to create a contagion? Why add to the sense of Hillary having it sealed?

Then again, how many people do you know who've been called/contacted by pollsters? The women you refer to could have been blowing smoke.

Wouldn't pollsters more be calling independents...since pollsters can pretty much tell which way a household is leaning these days and Dems will vote Dem, Repubs will vote Repub so the election is really re independents (or at least swing voters)??

At any rate, enjoy:

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-believes-his-supporters-ar...
Last Edited: 8/7/2016 8:26:35 PM by Monroe Slavin
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rpbobcat
8/8/2016 6:36 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
I guess...But if you are really for Trump, don't you tell the pollsters that in order to boost his numbers, in order to create a contagion? Why add to the sense of Hillary having it sealed?

Then again, how many people do you know who've been called/contacted by pollsters? The women you refer to could have been blowing smoke.

Wouldn't pollsters more be calling independents...since pollsters can pretty much tell which way a household is leaning these days and Dems will vote Dem, Repubs will vote Repub so the election is really re independents (or at least swing voters)??

At any rate, enjoy:

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-believes-his-supporters-ar...
Actually,that was one of the questions that came up during the discussion.The people said they were registered as "unaffiliated" or "independent".

Sitting in the stands at a Drum Corps competition,what possible reason would a person have for "blowing smoke ?"

I know during primary season my and I,who are both independents,got at calls from pollsters at least 10 times.
We also got calls almost everyday from the candidates.(We felt soooo special :-) )
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