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Posted: 2/4/2017 1:16 AM
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It's not really hippies so much as radical Communist/Socialist types that think they are God's gift to academia. It is a toxic culture.

The new president will have his work cut out for him. If it's the NDSU guy (which, from what I hear, he is the clear favorite) - he's going to struggle adjusting to this culture. I don't know much about NDSU, but I'd imagine the faculty is far more mainstream at a place like that.
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Well we are one name closer to having DA severe all financial ties with the University.
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NDSU prez pulls himself from consideration.

Cites "sudden support " from NDSU.
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As I've said,I'm not from academia.

I'm also a cynic.

I suppose university presidents are like coaches.

Interview at another school,then use that to leverage a better deal where you are,especially if you may not feel you're a "lock' at the other school.

I also see that O.U. will announce the new president on 2/22.
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Interview at another school,then use that to leverage a better deal where you are,especially if you may not feel you're a "lock' at the other school.
That's very much how it works in academia. At some institutions (I would term them somewhat dysfunctional) it's practically a requirement for promotion/raises/increased space that you have interest or even an offer in hand from another institution for them to take your request seriously (which of course leads to all sorts of ill will)
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Well we are one name closer to having DA severe all financial ties with the University.
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-provost-withdraw...

I'm flattered you and Alan are so concerned about how I spend my disposable income.

And also for the record, in addition to my referencing how thankful I am for her service to OHIO as provost, I felt she did a phenomenal job at her public forum.
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
Well we are one name closer to having DA severe all financial ties with the University.
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-provost-withdraw...

I'm flattered you and Alan are so concerned about how I spend my disposable income.

And also for the record, in addition to my referencing how thankful I am for her service to OHIO as provost, I felt she did a phenomenal job at her public forum.
Just making sure you get the proper bang for your buck. How much did you give to Betsy DeVos?
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I couldnt be more pleased that Frank and Nellis are the two guys remaining. The two more traditional dean type candidates instead of the adminstrative superstars.
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Well we are one name closer to having DA severe all financial ties with the University.
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-provost-withdraw...

I'm flattered you and Alan are so concerned about how I spend my disposable income.

And also for the record, in addition to my referencing how thankful I am for her service to OHIO as provost, I felt she did a phenomenal job at her public forum.
Just making sure you get the proper bang for your buck. How much did you give to Betsy DeVos?
+1 ;-)
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Well we are one name closer to having DA severe all financial ties with the University.
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-provost-withdraw...

I'm flattered you and Alan are so concerned about how I spend my disposable income.

And also for the record, in addition to my referencing how thankful I am for her service to OHIO as provost, I felt she did a phenomenal job at her public forum.
Just making sure you get the proper bang for your buck. How much did you give to Betsy DeVos?
+1 ;-)
Clearly you and Billy are far too erudite for my plebeian self, as I have no idea what your comment above is implying. And I am quite certain I could care less. But I am quite certain Betsy DeVos will be a horrible Sec of Ed, and wouldn't choose to give her the time of day, let alone a donation.
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
Well we are one name closer to having DA severe all financial ties with the University.
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-provost-withdraw...

I'm flattered you and Alan are so concerned about how I spend my disposable income.

And also for the record, in addition to my referencing how thankful I am for her service to OHIO as provost, I felt she did a phenomenal job at her public forum.
Just making sure you get the proper bang for your buck. How much did you give to Betsy DeVos?
+1 ;-)
Clearly you and Billy are far too erudite for my plebeian self, as I have no idea what your comment above is implying. And I am quite certain I could care less. But I am quite certain Betsy DeVos will be a horrible Sec of Ed, and wouldn't choose to give her the time of day, let alone a donation.
It's because it was humor, something you struggle with apparently.
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Well we are one name closer to having DA severe all financial ties with the University.
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-provost-withdraw...

I'm flattered you and Alan are so concerned about how I spend my disposable income.

And also for the record, in addition to my referencing how thankful I am for her service to OHIO as provost, I felt she did a phenomenal job at her public forum.
Just making sure you get the proper bang for your buck. How much did you give to Betsy DeVos?
+1 ;-)
Clearly you and Billy are far too erudite for my plebeian self, as I have no idea what your comment above is implying. And I am quite certain I could care less. But I am quite certain Betsy DeVos will be a horrible Sec of Ed, and wouldn't choose to give her the time of day, let alone a donation.
It's because it was humor, something you struggle with apparently.
Sick burn, dude.
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
Well we are one name closer to having DA severe all financial ties with the University.
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-provost-withdraw...

I'm flattered you and Alan are so concerned about how I spend my disposable income.

And also for the record, in addition to my referencing how thankful I am for her service to OHIO as provost, I felt she did a phenomenal job at her public forum.
Just making sure you get the proper bang for your buck. How much did you give to Betsy DeVos?
+1 ;-)
Clearly you and Billy are far too erudite for my plebeian self, as I have no idea what your comment above is implying. And I am quite certain I could care less. But I am quite certain Betsy DeVos will be a horrible Sec of Ed, and wouldn't choose to give her the time of day, let alone a donation.
It's because it was humor, something you struggle with apparently.
Sick burn, dude.
Case in point ;-)
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This is total bs. The candidate gets a call indicating he or she isn't going to be chosen, then they remove their name from consideration. So the fourth guy gets the job by default? No wonder there is such disdain and disrespect for so many of the decisions of the board. Total bs. Just be hones with the taxpayers.
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President Nellis?

http://woub.org/2017/02/09/third-ou-presidential-candidat... /
This is total bs. The candidate gets a call indicating he or she isn't going to be chosen, then they remove their name from consideration. So the fourth guy gets the job by default? No wonder there is such disdain and disrespect for so many of the decisions of the board. Total bs. Just be hones with the taxpayers.
I saw the the University was set to announce the new president on 2/22.
I presume that means the board made a decision and let the candidates know.

If the a candidate(s) knows they weren't getting the job,and dropped out to save face,how is that a problem with the board ?
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
President Nellis?

http://woub.org/2017/02/09/third-ou-presidential-candidat... /
This is total bs. The candidate gets a call indicating he or she isn't going to be chosen, then they remove their name from consideration. So the fourth guy gets the job by default? No wonder there is such disdain and disrespect for so many of the decisions of the board. Total bs. Just be hones with the taxpayers.
I saw the the University was set to announce the new president on 2/22.
I presume that means the board made a decision and let the candidates know.

If the a candidate(s) knows they weren't getting the job,and dropped out to save face,how is that a problem with the board ?
Save face? Really? Everyone knows why they dropped out. Three candidates just don't suddenly get better offers or have a change of heart. It's the process that's bs and any intelligent person can see right through it.

Another angle is that if they did really have a change of heart, we'll never know if the new guy was really the board's first choice or fourth choice. How would you like to be coming into a job with that uncertainty.

Point is you can't have it both ways.
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
President Nellis?

http://woub.org/2017/02/09/third-ou-presidential-candidat... /
This is total bs. The candidate gets a call indicating he or she isn't going to be chosen, then they remove their name from consideration. So the fourth guy gets the job by default? No wonder there is such disdain and disrespect for so many of the decisions of the board. Total bs. Just be hones with the taxpayers.
I saw the the University was set to announce the new president on 2/22.
I presume that means the board made a decision and let the candidates know.

If the a candidate(s) knows they weren't getting the job,and dropped out to save face,how is that a problem with the board ?
Save face? Really? Everyone knows why they dropped out. Three candidates just don't suddenly get better offers or have a change of heart. It's the process that's bs and any intelligent person can see right through it.

Another angle is that if they did really have a change of heart, we'll never know if the new guy was really the board's first choice or fourth choice. How would you like to be coming into a job with that uncertainty.

Point is you can't have it both ways.
To be honest,I really wouldn't care if I was the first choice or fourth choice.
I got the job.
That's all that counts.
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
President Nellis?

http://woub.org/2017/02/09/third-ou-presidential-candidat... /
This is total bs. The candidate gets a call indicating he or she isn't going to be chosen, then they remove their name from consideration. So the fourth guy gets the job by default? No wonder there is such disdain and disrespect for so many of the decisions of the board. Total bs. Just be hones with the taxpayers.
I saw the the University was set to announce the new president on 2/22.
I presume that means the board made a decision and let the candidates know.

If the a candidate(s) knows they weren't getting the job,and dropped out to save face,how is that a problem with the board ?
Save face? Really? Everyone knows why they dropped out. Three candidates just don't suddenly get better offers or have a change of heart. It's the process that's bs and any intelligent person can see right through it.

Another angle is that if they did really have a change of heart, we'll never know if the new guy was really the board's first choice or fourth choice. How would you like to be coming into a job with that uncertainty.

Point is you can't have it both ways.
To be honest,I really wouldn't care if I was the first choice or fourth choice.
I got the job.
That's all that counts.
You might not but the people reporting to you would and that's not a good way to start a job. You want buy in from as many of those folks who report to you and for whom you are responsible as possible. You never want to take a job where the belief can be "well, he was the only one left."
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
President Nellis?

http://woub.org/2017/02/09/third-ou-presidential-candidat... /
This is total bs. The candidate gets a call indicating he or she isn't going to be chosen, then they remove their name from consideration. So the fourth guy gets the job by default? No wonder there is such disdain and disrespect for so many of the decisions of the board. Total bs. Just be hones with the taxpayers.
I saw the the University was set to announce the new president on 2/22.
I presume that means the board made a decision and let the candidates know.

If the a candidate(s) knows they weren't getting the job,and dropped out to save face,how is that a problem with the board ?
Save face? Really? Everyone knows why they dropped out. Three candidates just don't suddenly get better offers or have a change of heart. It's the process that's bs and any intelligent person can see right through it.

Another angle is that if they did really have a change of heart, we'll never know if the new guy was really the board's first choice or fourth choice. How would you like to be coming into a job with that uncertainty.

Point is you can't have it both ways.
To be honest,I really wouldn't care if I was the first choice or fourth choice.
I got the job.
That's all that counts.
You might not but the people reporting to you would and that's not a good way to start a job. You want buy in from as many of those folks who report to you and for whom you are responsible as possible. You never want to take a job where the belief can be "well, he was the only one left."
Sorry,but I disagree.

A number of people submitted "applications".

The board then came up with a list of 4 finalists.

To me,that means that the board felt that any of the 4 were capable of being the next president.

Academics is a different animal then the private sector.
In the real world,the new guy is,for whatever reason,the boss.You have to,deal with it.

I do work with a number of Municipalities.
A few years ago one of them got a new Administrator who was,to say the least,tough to work with.
Her response "You don't like it,leave.I'll find someone else ".
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
President Nellis?

http://woub.org/2017/02/09/third-ou-presidential-candidat... /
This is total bs. The candidate gets a call indicating he or she isn't going to be chosen, then they remove their name from consideration. So the fourth guy gets the job by default? No wonder there is such disdain and disrespect for so many of the decisions of the board. Total bs. Just be hones with the taxpayers.
I saw the the University was set to announce the new president on 2/22.
I presume that means the board made a decision and let the candidates know.

If the a candidate(s) knows they weren't getting the job,and dropped out to save face,how is that a problem with the board ?
Save face? Really? Everyone knows why they dropped out. Three candidates just don't suddenly get better offers or have a change of heart. It's the process that's bs and any intelligent person can see right through it.

Another angle is that if they did really have a change of heart, we'll never know if the new guy was really the board's first choice or fourth choice. How would you like to be coming into a job with that uncertainty.

Point is you can't have it both ways.
To be honest,I really wouldn't care if I was the first choice or fourth choice.
I got the job.
That's all that counts.
You might not but the people reporting to you would and that's not a good way to start a job. You want buy in from as many of those folks who report to you and for whom you are responsible as possible. You never want to take a job where the belief can be "well, he was the only one left."
Sorry,but I disagree.

A number of people submitted "applications".

The board then came up with a list of 4 finalists.

To me,that means that the board felt that any of the 4 were capable of being the next president.

Academics is a different animal then the private sector.
In the real world,the new guy is,for whatever reason,the boss.You have to,deal with it.

I do work with a number of Municipalities.
A few years ago one of them got a new Administrator who was,to say the least,tough to work with.
Her response "You don't like it,leave.I'll find someone else ".
The comments on this article are very telling and reflective of what others have posted here:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-is-down-to-one-f...
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
President Nellis?

http://woub.org/2017/02/09/third-ou-presidential-candidat... /
This is total bs. The candidate gets a call indicating he or she isn't going to be chosen, then they remove their name from consideration. So the fourth guy gets the job by default? No wonder there is such disdain and disrespect for so many of the decisions of the board. Total bs. Just be hones with the taxpayers.
I saw the the University was set to announce the new president on 2/22.
I presume that means the board made a decision and let the candidates know.

If the a candidate(s) knows they weren't getting the job,and dropped out to save face,how is that a problem with the board ?
Save face? Really? Everyone knows why they dropped out. Three candidates just don't suddenly get better offers or have a change of heart. It's the process that's bs and any intelligent person can see right through it.

Another angle is that if they did really have a change of heart, we'll never know if the new guy was really the board's first choice or fourth choice. How would you like to be coming into a job with that uncertainty.

Point is you can't have it both ways.
To be honest,I really wouldn't care if I was the first choice or fourth choice.
I got the job.
That's all that counts.
You might not but the people reporting to you would and that's not a good way to start a job. You want buy in from as many of those folks who report to you and for whom you are responsible as possible. You never want to take a job where the belief can be "well, he was the only one left."
Sorry,but I disagree.

A number of people submitted "applications".

The board then came up with a list of 4 finalists.

To me,that means that the board felt that any of the 4 were capable of being the next president.

Academics is a different animal then the private sector.
In the real world,the new guy is,for whatever reason,the boss.You have to,deal with it.

I do work with a number of Municipalities.
A few years ago one of them got a new Administrator who was,to say the least,tough to work with.
Her response "You don't like it,leave.I'll find someone else ".
The comments on this article are very telling and reflective of what others have posted here:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-is-down-to-one-f...
The article talks about possibly delaying naming the new president.

Why ?

As I said,he's one of the 4 people the board named as finalists.

Why wouldn't you name him as president.

Also no one here also knows,whether he was the board's first,second,third or fourth choice all along.
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
President Nellis?

http://woub.org/2017/02/09/third-ou-presidential-candidat... /
This is total bs. The candidate gets a call indicating he or she isn't going to be chosen, then they remove their name from consideration. So the fourth guy gets the job by default? No wonder there is such disdain and disrespect for so many of the decisions of the board. Total bs. Just be hones with the taxpayers.
I saw the the University was set to announce the new president on 2/22.
I presume that means the board made a decision and let the candidates know.

If the a candidate(s) knows they weren't getting the job,and dropped out to save face,how is that a problem with the board ?
Save face? Really? Everyone knows why they dropped out. Three candidates just don't suddenly get better offers or have a change of heart. It's the process that's bs and any intelligent person can see right through it.

Another angle is that if they did really have a change of heart, we'll never know if the new guy was really the board's first choice or fourth choice. How would you like to be coming into a job with that uncertainty.

Point is you can't have it both ways.
To be honest,I really wouldn't care if I was the first choice or fourth choice.
I got the job.
That's all that counts.
You might not but the people reporting to you would and that's not a good way to start a job. You want buy in from as many of those folks who report to you and for whom you are responsible as possible. You never want to take a job where the belief can be "well, he was the only one left."
Sorry,but I disagree.

A number of people submitted "applications".

The board then came up with a list of 4 finalists.

To me,that means that the board felt that any of the 4 were capable of being the next president.

Academics is a different animal then the private sector.
In the real world,the new guy is,for whatever reason,the boss.You have to,deal with it.

I do work with a number of Municipalities.
A few years ago one of them got a new Administrator who was,to say the least,tough to work with.
Her response "You don't like it,leave.I'll find someone else ".
The comments on this article are very telling and reflective of what others have posted here:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-is-down-to-one-f...
The article talks about possibly delaying naming the new president.

Why ?

As I said,he's one of the 4 people the board named as finalists.

Why wouldn't you name him as president.

Also no one here also knows,whether he was the board's first,second,third or fourth choice all along.
Ask Trump that question. He had four finalist for the position of Secretary of State, he delayed his announcement and out of nowhere came the white hatted cowboy of Putin, Rex Tillerson from the shadows of obscurity.

And I agree with Al, starting the job out with the view of some that you were the last loser and not the most qualified is not the way you'd like to start.
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This happens all the time in searches -- even for football coaches. I remember when we hired Cleve that Glen Mason, then an assistant in Cowtown, was a candidate. He was actually Mack's first choice; however, Ping wanted to "go a different direction." When word of this got back to Glen he withdrew from the search. It wasn't because he still didn't want the job, it was because he knew he wasn't going to get it and wanted to be "proactive" rather than wait for an official rejection. I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
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This happens all the time in searches -- even for football coaches. I remember when we hired Cleve that Glen Mason, then an assistant in Cowtown, was a candidate. He was actually Mack's first choice; however, Ping wanted to "go a different direction." When word of this got back to Glen he withdrew from the search. It wasn't because he still didn't want the job, it was because he knew he wasn't going to get it and wanted to be "proactive" rather than wait for an official rejection. I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
So it happens all the time. That doesn't make it any less onerous. Whether some one pulls out or gets officially rejected, they still didn't get the job that everyone at their current school knows they were applying for. Not sure how that is saving face other than to make up some story for pulling out which everyone knows to be a flat out lie. The games we play.
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