Wasn't sure if this belongs here, but nobody comments on the baseball thread.

The Cleveland Indians to discontinue the logo following the 2018 season.

I understand both sides of the argument. Seems like Manfred used the All-Star game as a tool to get the Dolan's to make the change.

Thoughts?

There's already an article by Bob Nightingale of USA Today calling for the name change.

According to the papers out here,Major league baseball threatened to move the 2019 All Star Game if the Indians didn't drop their logo.

Is there a possibility this could result in a name change? This is a very interesting situation we are in now. The MLB and Indians have both acknowledged the logo is racist by getting rid of it. However, its not "racist" enough to ban the logo immediately or discontinue to sell the merchandise. All while the Washington Redskins continue to run things normally. Is the MLB held to a higher standard to the NFL?

Well it's a self-imposed standard, but yes it looks like they are holding themselves to a higher standard.

If we're talking about higher standards for "offensive" team names,how does the NCAA allow Norte Dame du lac,to insult an entire country by calling themselves the "Fighting Irish" ? :-)

Trigger warning but, one of my good friends just posted this on FB:

Hmmmm. Looks like ticket scalping is out in Cleveland.

It's not about a higher standard, it's about money. Rob Manfred has leverage over Dolan because MLB could pull the All-Star Game from Cleveland if the change wasn't made.

Goodell has nothing to threaten to pull from Dan Snyder. Dan Snyder and Dan Snyder alone would need to be the one to change the name. No one else can tell him how to run his business.

As for me, I love Chief Wahoo. But I understand the reason for moving on. It doesn't mean I can't still wear my cap or shirt, it just means the players won't. I've been floored by people's reactions of anger on social media and sports call-in shows about this. They've bridged this to "a violation of free speech and Constitutional rights and too politically correct and what's next?"

Pump the brakes. No one is taking anything away from you. Sometimes, things evolve.

I would add that the Indians didn't handle this well, PR-wise. They could have announced a new logo for 2019 (the feather from Chief Wahoo?), replacing Chief Wahoo, who was gradually being phased out anyway. The storyline would have had more of a "logo evolution/new logo" inclusion than it being solely about banning Chief Wahoo. It wouldn't be the first time the Indians -- or most other teams -- announced a new logo (see the Attack Cat).

There was an article in business section of the local paper about this.

Apparently,sales of snowboards and other winter sports gear are down,because millenials,for the most part,have no interest in these kinds of activities.

There seem to be a couple of reasons for this.
One is that they don't like the idea of an activity that involves "specialized" equipment.
They want things that can be used for more then one thing,like athletic shoes.

They also prefer to "play" sports on a screen then actually experience them,which has a much longer learning curve.

Did you type this on your phone?

I'm 28 with a full-time job and a side gig. Soon-to-be two side gigs as I've applied to join the ranks of people offering ride-sharing.

Posted from my phone.

I'm also an avid skiier. :-)

That's a favorite anecdote for fans of the name and logo. It's been discredited through fairly comprehensive research.

https://journals.humankinetics.com/doi/10.1123/ssj.15.4.299

For what it's worth, I find the logo embarrassing and the name antiquated at best. I'm a proponent of a name change to the historic Spiders (even though that was a different Cleveland professional baseball franchise).

Maybe this one will suit you better. Whatever side of the debate you're on, it's a good read: http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/03/18/the-cleveland-indians... /

The Post circa 1994 had a series of posts of the Chief Wahoo logo with other ethnic designs. For example, one day it was Chief Wahoo with an afro. I remember thinking at the time how offensive that could be to people, which I think reinforced the point of those posts.