I find your post to be offensive because you bullied and insulted people with this post. Had you put the "i didn't see this at the other five gates, so the logic escapes me," your first post would have been sufficient. I am a firm believer in the second amendment, but I would have gladly agreed with this appearing to be overkill. seems like overkill, but you politicized this whole thing with such inflammatory rhetoric.

why couldn't you have at least waited for someone to say it was for a deterrence before getting on your high horse.

this is why it is difficult to have civil discuss anymore. i agree with you, but you really ticked me off with your rhetoric. i am neither uneducated nor a gun nut.

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Instead everybody is just too darn upset to even discuss the issue at hand, even though everybody seems to agree on it.

This post is full of so much stupid it really makes you want to laugh, ... or cry.

Really. An AK47? We’re the OUPD also driving around flashing it from the back of a shoddy S-10 ready to commit holy war?

The OUPD, through a grant with the US Department of Homeland Security, have trained officers who act as the final line of defense between a terrorist situation and the lives of those who attend tevents they are responsible to protect. Yes, some of the officers carry high caliber rifles.

Do you not take your children places. I hope you don’t plan on taking them to: any concert, any pro sporting event, large fair or festival, any NCAA sporting event, the Boston Marathon, Times Square for NYE or any airport in this country..

What a derogatory post that insults so many people. Insulting to the police who are simply trained and doing their job. Insulting to anyone who supports the 2nd Amendment, regardless of their stance of the militarization of local police and the list goes on.

They stand at that entrance every single game. Just noticed it?

I hope you don’t come back to a game. If something so idiotic that is not controlled at the local level is what stops you from coming: see ya.

Perhaps this would have been a good time to speak with your child about 9/11 or how little kids their age in England were killed while going to an Ariana Grande concert. It’s not like these precautions don’t stem from reality.

I am actually in agreement that it is over the top but I can at least see perspective of why it’s there and. Could ask reasonable questions without posting the most smug post to ever bless this forum.

I did not attend the game nor witness the officer with the weapon. Do you you informed gentlemen know what a AK47 looks like or do you lump all machine guns as AK47s? I don't think I have seen any police department in this country use AKs as a SWAT weapon. I could be wrong but they are relatively inexpensive but not as versatile as a AR15, M16 platform that can be converted to different calibers using the same lower.
Without having seen it, I would have to take your word on it.

There has been much discussion, with some agreement, and some disagreement, but mostly with educational comments. Things I learned in this thread:
1. They are at every game, not just this game. This is not new.
2. The athletic department has nothing to do with this, and thus any anger at the athletic department over this is misplaced
3. This is the new normal, like it or not, so venting against it, at least on this forum, will be no more productive than tilting at windmills

I did not attend the game nor witness the officer with the weapon. Do you you informed gentlemen know what a AK47 looks like or do you lump all machine guns as AK47s? I don't think I have seen any police department in this country use AKs as a SWAT weapon. I could be wrong but they are relatively inexpensive but not as versatile as a AR15, M16 platform that can be converted to different calibers using the same lower.
Without having seen it, I would have to take your word on it.

The weapon debate aside, back to the initial post.

I have the pleasure and honor to work with a number special units at Ft. Bragg (they train in a county I help promote - it is not uncommon for hunters and hikers to stumble upon a hidden member of special forces - who subtly show themselves so as not to cause a hunting accident).

Their view - the show of force is not done as a deterrent, as even the most lone wolf does enough homework to understand the protection and firepower in place. In most cases, the police/military are present, but stay out of the main site lines (hence why most do not know they are present at BB games, etc. I know at Panther games (assuming all four gates are handled the same), there are probably 2 dozen heavily armed personnel at each game. But you have to really look to spot them).

The show of power is done more to assure civilians of the protection. It may be done once or twice in the beginning, but then retreats to the shadows. The exception is if those involved want to boost their own testosterone.

I suspect the sentry observed the other day will be back in the shadows next game.

The weapon debate aside, back to the initial post.

I have the pleasure and honor to work with a number special units at Ft. Bragg (they train in a county I help promote - it is not uncommon for hunters and hikers to stumble upon a hidden member of special forces - who subtly show themselves so as not to cause a hunting accident).

Their view - the show of force is not done as a deterrent, as even the most lone wolf does enough homework to understand the protection and firepower in place. In most cases, the police/military are present, but stay out of the main site lines (hence why most do not know they are present at BB games, etc. I know at Panther games (assuming all four gates are handled the same), there are probably 2 dozen heavily armed personnel at each game. But you have to really look to spot them).

The show of power is done more to assure civilians of the protection. It may be done once or twice in the beginning, but then retreats to the shadows. The exception is if those involved want to boost their own testosterone.

I suspect the sentry observed the other day will be back in the shadows next game.

Why do nearly all mass shootings take place in gun free zones? No opposition. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. You would have 5 to 15 minutes before police arrive and probably 30 minutes or more before they decide to do any thing after they assess the situation if they do any thing at all initially.
How many attacks do you see against police stations or armed military camps?
These attackers might be crazy but they are not stupid. They want to shoot where there is the least resistance. A show of force or a police presence helps deter crime.

The weapon debate aside, back to the initial post.

I have the pleasure and honor to work with a number special units at Ft. Bragg (they train in a county I help promote - it is not uncommon for hunters and hikers to stumble upon a hidden member of special forces - who subtly show themselves so as not to cause a hunting accident).

Their view - the show of force is not done as a deterrent, as even the most lone wolf does enough homework to understand the protection and firepower in place. In most cases, the police/military are present, but stay out of the main site lines (hence why most do not know they are present at BB games, etc. I know at Panther games (assuming all four gates are handled the same), there are probably 2 dozen heavily armed personnel at each game. But you have to really look to spot them).

The show of power is done more to assure civilians of the protection. It may be done once or twice in the beginning, but then retreats to the shadows. The exception is if those involved want to boost their own testosterone.

I suspect the sentry observed the other day will be back in the shadows next game.

At Metlife there are always very visible tactical teams.Especially in the bag search area and where the NJ Transit trains drop off/pick up.
They are all N.J. State Police.

I'm sure there are also a bunch of others "in the shadows" not to mention in their Command Center that was expanded for the Super Bowl.

It is interesting that,when there is an event around 9/11 or something similar, you also see military personnel providing security.

We go to West Point for concerts and some sporting events.
Talk about security.
All soldiers,with M-16's
Last time we were there they checked under the car with a mirror,then we had to open the back cargo area and engine compartment.

Why do nearly all mass shootings take place in gun free zones? No opposition. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. You would have 5 to 15 minutes before police arrive and probably 30 minutes or more before they decide to do any thing after they assess the situation if they do any thing at all initially.
How many attacks do you see against police stations or armed military camps?
These attackers might be crazy but they are not stupid. They want to shoot where there is the least resistance. A show of force or a police presence helps deter crime.