This is crazy. https://apple.news/AOnBnAnkGS9eAX-w4oDLVPg

He's using Redchicken math. You can take the kid out of Miami, but you can't the take the Miami out of the kid.

100,000 cases in Ohio? That's Redchicken math at this point. It might be a projection about what to expect in the future, based on some modeling, but that's not what his spokeslady said. They've got to be more careful with their language. The most recent figures from the CDC show 1,629 confirmed cases in whole U.S. Obviously, there are more actual cases than the confirmed cases, but the magnitude of this reckless statement is staggering.

The key statement down several graphs was: "She added that the slow rollout of testing means the state does not have good verified numbers to know for sure."

Lots of folks won't read that far, and will just see the headline. That feeds hysteria and panic. At this juncture, you want to give verified facts in a no-nonsense manner. It's a serious situation, but you don't want to give people the impression that things are spiraling out of control when they are not. Again, things are dicey now, and it could get worse before it gets better, but as FDR said, fear of fear itself is something we should avoid when possible.

100,000 cases in Ohio? That's Redchicken math at this point. It might be a projection about what to expect in the future, based on some modeling, but that's not what his spokeslady said. They've got to be more careful with their language. The most recent figures from the CDC show 1,629 confirmed cases in whole U.S. Obviously, there are more actual cases than the confirmed cases, but the magnitude of this reckless statement is staggering.


The key statement down several graphs was: "She added that the slow rollout of testing means the state does not have good verified numbers to know for sure."

100,000 cases in Ohio? That's Redchicken math at this point. It might be a projection about what to expect in the future, based on some modeling, but that's not what his spokeslady said. They've got to be more careful with their language. The most recent figures from the CDC show 1,629 confirmed cases in whole U.S. Obviously, there are more actual cases than the confirmed cases, but the magnitude of this reckless statement is staggering.

The key statement down several graphs was: "She added that the slow rollout of testing means the state does not have good verified numbers to know for sure."

Lots of folks won't read that far, and will just see the headline. That feeds hysteria and panic. At this juncture, you want to give verified facts in a no-nonsense manner. It's a serious situation, but you don't want to give people the impression that things are spiraling out of control when they are not. Again, things are dicey now, and it could get worse before it gets better, but as FDR said, fear of fear itself is something we should avoid when possible.

Then why did she apologize later? She said she was tired and didn’t say what she had intended. You, Sir, don’t know nearly as much as you think you do on a multitude of topics. Your high-handed know it all attitude is wearing a bit thin.

Are these the same experts who told if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor? How about the experts who told us you have to pass the bill to know what's in the bill? No? My bad, maybe it's the experts who said if we took the 500 million Bloomberg spent on his campaign and instead gave it away, every person would get $1.5 million.

Yeah these people are geniuses. I work for the federal government. Placing your faith in it - ESPECIALLY in times like these - is a foolhardy exercise.

DeWhiner claiming 100k people unwittingly are walking around with this virus is flat out irresponsible. If that math is true - in 40 days more people in Ohio will have this than there are people in the state.

If that math is true, and we believe the mortality rate is 3% (which is exaggerated and untrue based on not knowing the actual # of infections, and HEAVILY skewed toward elderly, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt) then that means 3000 of those 100k Ohioans are going to die. That's more people dead...in Ohio alone....then have this virus in the entire country.

If that math is true, then Ohio alone has 250 times more people infected than all of Italy (which has ~6x the population of Ohio).

This is a really nasty bug. It can spread really easily. It is serious. Over-reactions like this just breed panic and make things worse. It is NOT helping. This is why there isn't any toilet paper on a shelf ANYWHERE.

I'll tell you this, the incubation period before showing signs of sickness is estimated at 5 days. Today is Friday. If by next Tuesday Ohio isn't reporting OVER 100k people with the virus - DeWhiner should be fired, and possibly put in jail for inciting panic.

Or if he's right. Well then....we're all screwed and it doesn't matter anyway.

They know what they're talking about and you don't. Stop being irresponsible and undermining the experts.

Are these the same experts who told if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor? How about the experts who told us you have to pass the bill to know what's in the bill? No? My bad, maybe it's the experts who said if we took the 500 million Bloomberg spent on his campaign and instead gave it away, every person would get $1.5 million.
[/QUOTE]I don't understand how this addresses anything I said.

There are actual questions in my post. You didn't address any of them. You did, however, bring up a decade old debate about healthcare policy. Super helpful and relevant.

I'll ask it again more directly: what's so reckless about a high estimate of Covid 19 cases in Ohio, even if it ends up incorrect? And is that more or less reckless than Trump insisting the virus was completely under control and would be at zero?

Which of those two things puts people in more danger?


We have literally no idea how many people have this virus in the US. There's no reliable way to get tested. We just don't know. Part of the point I'm making is that while you feel it's reckless when people estimate large numbers, I think it's equally reckless to continue to insist the number of confirmed cases is at all representative given that the US fell flat on our face implementing testing infrastructure.

We don't know much of anything right now. As a result, there are going to be people whose estimates are way too high and people whose estimates are way too low.

The question I'm asking is why you all think one of those things is so reckless that it warrants impeachment, but the other is totally fine.


And underreactions make things worse as well, because it leads to people not taking it seriously. The fact of the matter is that we don't know the scope of things currently precisely because it was underestimated and we lost 5 weeks. Those that continue to underestimate it and go about their daily lives are not helping either.


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I'll tell you this, the incubation period before showing signs of sickness is estimated at 5 days. Today is Friday. If by next Tuesday Ohio isn't reporting OVER 100k people with the virus - DeWhiner should be fired, and possibly put in jail for inciting panic.