I said i would revisit this thread come January and it is January. Look what the people did on Wednesday was wrong and all of those people should be prosecuted. To me what you guys don't see is your own impact on this and that you guys seem to believe every thing that you read and believe that every person that voted for trump is a racist and all other kinds of bad names. [/QUOTE]
On Wednesday, a small but vocal portion of Trump voters violently broke into a government building in order to stop the in-process certification of a democratic election. They did so while waiving American flags, chanting U-S-A, and insisting their candidate won without even a tiny bit of evidence having held up in court.
I called that fascist. Facsism is typically characterized by far-right, ultra-nationalistic, authoritarianism. I think the descriptor fits, even before one considers all of the actual nazis and racists who openly made their views known on January 6th.
Needless to say most people i know are conservative. As i look over their Facebook pages and twitter accounts 95% of them disagree with what happened Wednesday and it is a embarrassment to all of us. So a poll that says 43% agree with this i think is wrong and is continuing to drive wedge between people.
Here's the poll that was referenced:
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports... What specifically do you think's wrong about the methodology, and why does your representation of Twitter accounts seem more accurate? What you're describing is a bubble, right? The YouGov poll almost certainly sampled a larger segment of people, no?
I would think maybe the events of January 6th might give cause to realize that your own reasonableness may have shielded you from a very real segment of the party?
Just like i don't believe all democrats are socialist people need to quit treating all conservatives as racists and all the other names you throw out at them.
Can you point out where anybody here said 'all republicans are racist?' This feels like a deflection. I think Americans should be very constantly working to stop playing the victim card constantly. It's contributed heavily to where we are.
What happened at the capital was wrong. But estimates of the crowd where trumped talked was about 500K. Most people say maybe 25K to 50K of them marched toward the capital. less actually climbed the steps and surrounded the capital. So talking about everyone that went to DC that day under the same umbrella is crazy.
I agree with this. The problem with this though is that Repuiblicans overwhelmingly supported Trump, who supported and incited the insurrection. On a personal level, I buy the 'not all Republicans' argument. But at a party level, the exact problem is, in fact, that this was led by the party's leader.
So not all republicans agree, but the party did this. Full stop.
I have no problem with impeaching trump. I think it is a waste of time but i have no problem with it. And if it makes America feel better to do it then do it.
There's nothing about impeaching a President for attempting to anti-democratically overturn an election that's 'a waste of time.' The precedent must be set that no American politician can do this without consequence. He must be tried, prosecuted, and barred from holding office again.
Oh, and by the way, the week prior audio was released of him asking Georgia's top election to conjure up votes for him.
Crimes on top of crimes.
Where was the outrage a few months ago. when i group of protesters marched on the supreme court and tried to break in. the only real difference is they didn't get in. if they had the results would of probably not been much different. there was property damage and things broken. Why no outrage?
Can you share a link about this? There are a lot of protests, before responding, just want to make sure we're discussing the same one.
So when riots in Washington state and other places were aloud to go on for weeks. police officers hurt and killed no outrage some police forces even told to stand down. This violence was not outraged by you? or i did not read it..
Your problem here is because it was from the other side.
There was plenty of outrage about the violence and very little support for it. You'd have to be willfully obtuse to believe otherwise.
And again, a key component you're missing is that the protests you refer to were not incited and encouraged by the sitting President of the United States.
It's not merely a problem because it "was from the other side.' It's a completely different beast because it was state sanctioned violence there very point of which was to overturn a democratic result.
That's not the same thing as a black lives matter protest in Seattle, dude. Not even a little bit.
Nancy pelosi has twice objected to the counting of certain electoral votes. No one wanted to oust her or call her names. The truth is what happened in congress that day is no different then what happened several times in the past the difference was there were more people and that tensions were heightened .
When this happened in the past, did politicians give a speech to a mob they'd been blatantly lying to for two months and tell them to march on the Capital to fight back?
Or are you trying to conflate what happened January 6th with procedural politics?
I really think one of the big problems here is the way court throughout all the trump court cases around the elections. I understand a lot of these cases were baseless. But some of them were not. They would of not overturned any state but like in Nevada even the democrats say there were probably 3000 non residents that voted.
Yes, the problem is that the courts didn't pay enough attention to the Republican's attempt to overturn a democratic election.
So why instead of just throwing it out could it not of been heard. And we would of shined light on the problems but still of shown the Biden's election was legitimate. I think if this approach would of been taken more and more people would of moved away from the president.
The court's job is not to placate delusional mobs.
Look their are radical racists that support trump their is no doubt that these people exist. and they are deplorable. And these people need to be called out no doubt. But this is a very small percentage of the 75 million that voted for trump.
I agree. But from a policy standpoint, it's not a coincidence that in Trump they see a politician that finally represents them, and thus they're extremely avid in their support for him.
I think it's very valid to ask why deplorable racists are such avid supporters of Trump.
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Just like their are democrats that believe that it is all right to execute cops in the streets and that looting and rioting and violence is ok. And these people need to be called out.