"Stop being such a whiny, defensive little child."

B Love sense of shame- I provide you with information and what you do with it is your business. If you don't like what I or some others say on this forum you continually berate them. Fact # 1 After working at Ohio for about 16 years Russ was paid less than 48K a year and asked for a small salary bump and he was told no. Google his salary at Ohio University. It is public knowledge. Fact # 2 Dixon was paid less than 44K at his Director of Ticket operations job at Ohio University when he was working for the athletics department. Google his salary. It is public knowledge. His position was in the bottom half of the conference for that position. Fact #3 Albin was the 6th highest paid football coach in the league as per October 2024 USA TODAY and 7th lowest if you include newcomer UMASS in the equation. Fact #4 Albin's record in the conference was 16-8 after three years. Fact #5 Only Jason Candle at Toledo won more games during those three years in league games. Fact #6 The administration was aware that Albin interviewed with Rice University several days before the Ball State game. Fact #7 The administration had ample time between the Rice interview and the weekend of the Ball State game to get a contract ironed out. The administration failed to make it happen. Fact #8 Four long time male employees who worked at Ohio University's athletics department have all left in the last several months. Coincidence maybe. Maybe not?

I can provide you with more facts, but it won't matter because you support the administration. That is your choice. I choose differently. That is what makes this world go around. We don't have to agree on everything.

And one more thing. Please ask an athletic department official about the upcoming football contract with West Virginia. It could be that you think that Ohio receiving a total of $1 million dollars is a great deal for a three game series with a Big 12 school.

No, not everybody. But you, yes. And at this point, it's more than warranted. You're a broken record on this topic, and the only supporting evidence you provide is about pay.

There's a massive, massive gulf between Russ/Dixon/Albin made less money than you think they deserve and Julie Comer doesn't treat people with dignity.

It's downright irresponsible to post what you posted in this thread and to come back with nothing but an opinion that three dudes should have been paid more. If you want to talk about athletic department salaries, knock yourself out. But to try and dress that up as Cromer being abusive, sexist, and failing to treat her employees with dignity is pathetic.


If you were smart enough, you'd be ashamed. But you've proven to be pretty stupid over the last couple of months, so I'm not holding my breath.

If you can't provide even a single shred of evidence -- even anectdotal -- about Cromer treating people poorly in meetings, being sexist, or behavior that rises to the level of treating people without dignity you should be absolutely embarrassed.

This is really off the rails. In keeping with calling it down the middle, it's technically a 1 game series with WVU. Since they (very respectably) agreed to come to Athens, it is my opinion that the Home/Home should be a push. We should be getting paid CORRECTLY for the 3rd game which is technically a Non-Conference Home game against a G5 for WVU.

As I've said all along (And told every conference commissioner and deputy commissioner) - this contract should be for a minimum $5 Million, but it's not based in the logic that you state.

2025 @ Ohio - $0 Payout to Both
2027 @ WVU - $0 Payout to Both
2029 @ WVU - $5 Million Minimum. Should actually be on a sliding scale with the CFP Payouts and Network distributions to the Big 12. Could be more than $5 Million by 2029, but $5 Million is the absolute minimum for a G5 @ P4 game.

You can blame Cromer and Gonzalez for a lot of things, but I absolutely don't believe gender discrimination is part of the equation. Sorry. Breach/Lack of Fiduciary Responsibility and poor Management of market dynamics is far more in play for this situation.

If $1.9 Million to play the financial monster that is Ohio State doesn't make you vomit, I'm not sure what will.

If I make money off the backs of your labor (via TV and the Playoff) - I should compensate you. P4 wants 8-9 home games minimum, and they want wins towards the playoff. The G5 is the only group that can supply the inventory for those non conference games to get the P5 to 8-9 home games with a suitable # of wins, unless they want to play horrible D2/NAIA teams or feast on each other and lose the 8th/9th home game. If you take out the 3-4 Non Conference games at the beginning of the year against G5 teams, you have serious holes in the schedule that have to be filled for TV inventory. This isn't hard. Make them pay.

This isn't accurate. A home game for us and a home game for them are not equal. If that were the case, we would have more home and home games with P4 schools. Instead, our home and homes are with Sun Belt or Mountain West schools. A P4 home game is far more valuable, so they would not do a 1-to-1 trade. To get them to our place, we had to give something else up. What was that something else? Money on the end of the third game. So, that $1 million is not us showing fiduciary negligence by agreeing to a single game at $1 million. It was us agreeing to trade a 2-for-1 and still get money on our end. If we back out of the deal after we host them, we are likely on the hook for a hefty payday to WVU. They've upheld their end of the deal once they roll into Athens.

"First, your statement about dignity comes down to just not paying them enough. You mention that Russ wasn't given his salary request. This seems to indicate that you know about that. What was he asking? Then you discuss Dixon's salary. You mention that his pay was in the bottom half of the conference. Well, mathematically, 50% of people in that role across the conference are always going to be in the bottom half of pay. Was he requesting a pay bump? How much was he looking for and do we know that Julie was the one to turn him down?"

Kevin F- If you were making less than $48 K after working 16 years in one place and asked for an increase of pay to get you over $50 K, do you think that is unreasonable? Who do you think is in charge in the athletics department? Who calls the shots? It certainly isn't the equipment manager.

At this point it seems like there's no choice but to conclude that Bobcat1996's accusations of sexism, failure to treat people with dignity, and treating people poorly in meetings are hyperbole, and he just feels that we should have paid more to keep his friends on Athens.

That the conversation shifted to a discussion of the WVU contract is just more evidence of that. They want to have a conversation about Cromer's job performance. Totally valid, and there are plenty of those here.

But until Bobcat1996 or BTC have the decency to support their public claims with (at minimum) anecdotal evidence, this is just straight up scummy. I'm not sure I can remember a lower point for this board. As we're all aware, there's a media vacuum in Athens as it relates to OU athletics, and we all know that some the OU community uses this site to fill that vacuum. We should have a higher standard than this. It's gross behavior and folks should be ashamed.

Incredible stuff. This is the kind of brainrot you can only see on a college sports message board.

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"If the environment was so toxic, it seems strange that we were able to retain so much of our staff and players during the coaching change."

Kevin F- Let me give you a rundown of who left and who stayed. The staff that stayed are as follows. Coach Isphording QB coach who has two kids in the local public schools. Coach Scott DL coach who has all his kids still attending the local public schools. Coach Hauser DC who has all his kids attending the local public schools. Coach D Smith DB coach who has a wife working in Columbus with a great job and a boy attending schools in Columbus. Coach Allen the WR coach who has kids attending local public schools. Tyler Shumate new Strength coach and has a little child stayed. Coach Covington DFO stayed and has no kids. Coach Obly (previous GA) has no kids and got promoted to TE coach to replace Coach Metz. As you can see from above many of the coaches that stayed have children in local public schools and more than likely that was a huge consideration in staying in Athens.


Coach Faanes DC/LB coach is in Charlotte and has no kids. Coach Metz TE coach is in Charlotte and has no kids. Coach Rudolph OL coach is in Charlotte and his children are grown adults and not in public schools. Brian Haines Appy St. former long time Bobcat TE/special teams coach is joining Albin in Charlotte. Clay Finney personel director/director of recruiting is in Charlotte and has no kids. Jake Miller former strength coach for Ohio for three seasons who departed for UCLA last summer is joining Albin in Charlotte. Ben Gilkey asst strength coach since 2018 at Ohio is now in Charlotte. Tariq Drake Indianapolis a former Safety for the Bobcats who last played in 2022 is joining Albin's staff in Charlotte. Jake Roney GA OL coach is heading to Charlotte. Danny Orrock former Bobcat Defense and Special teams GA and Pitt GA is heading to Charlotte. Tyler Woods asst director of personnel and recent Bobcat GA/alum is now in Charlotte. I am sure I'm missing a few others with Bobcat ties joining Albin in Charlotte. Ohio was able to retain some coaches who had children in local schools, but Coach Albin was also able to hire many staffers with Bobcat ties.

It is evident you are a fan of our current AD. I still don't realize how some of you are anti Albin. It could be that you weren't around in the Cleve and Lichty days. Albin was the most successful coach this university has had in the last 60 plus years and some of you are thrilled he left. You must not appreciate three consecutive ten win seasons or the fact that no MAC team had a better league record than Ohio the last four seasons. Ask some of the old timers if they remember a better stretch for Ohio in the last 60 seasons? After Ohio locked down win number nine this season vs Ball St, most administrators would sprint to try to lock down a deal with a very highly successful head coach. Not this administration. They dropped the ball. Please feel free to get back to me in a few seasons when you see this type of unprecedented success again.

I heard she's been aggressively lobbying against increases to the minimum wage up in Columbus. She's fine with increasing it for women, but absolutely won't allow any sort of raise for men.

Guess who negotiated and signed the WVU contract: Jim Schaus.

In conclusion, the common denominator is this is the basketball board and basically nothing posted here is relevant to anything.

Glad we got that cleared up.