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Paul Graham
3/16/2011 10:18 PM
I continue to toss and turn at night wondering who will lead the 2011 Bobcats to their first MAC championship in my lifetime. To try and counteract this current state of unrest I thought I would look over some old recruiting videos of our current suite of potential candidates.

To my horror, my slight anxiety has morphed into a full-scale panic attack after watching a few videos of Snyder and others. If you compare them to Dysert's or Boucher's high school film things get even worse. Despite our success and our stability we continue to do poorly at this position. I am convinced that either one or both of the following scenarios are at play:

1.) Our (or OUr for the Slavin types) staff cannot accurately evaluate talent at the QB position.

2.) Amongst D1 hopeful QB's, Ohio is poorly regarded.

Sorry for being such a pessimist but I really am quite confused and concerned by this. Why haven't we been able to bring in a star QB?

EDIT: Here is the video I wached for Snyder. I don't see a D-1 QB here but that's just my opinion.
www.youtube.com/watch
Last Edited: 3/17/2011 10:30:15 AM by Paul Graham
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ytownbobcat
3/17/2011 4:12 PM
Paul, Your nocturnal restlesness is not surprising to me . QB is a huge question mark. In my opinion Snyder should have played last year so we know what his game is like under fire. Tettleton and Bates are great athletes but have not excelled at QB. Robeck is about the same. Great athlete but unproven as a Div 1 QB.
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colobobcat66
3/18/2011 11:37 AM
I have to go with Paul's option 2 above.
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colobobcat66
3/19/2011 11:19 AM
ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
Paul, Your nocturnal restlesness is not surprising to me . QB is a huge question mark. In my opinion Snyder should have played last year so we know what his game is like under fire. Tettleton and Bates are great athletes but have not excelled at QB. Robeck is about the same. Great athlete but unproven as a Div 1 QB.


It seems to be that last year was the year to look at Bates as QB and play Boo with  his experience as a senior.  Not much playing time left for Snyder in that scenario.  Since Frank has been here, we have won quite a few games with QB's who are not all league or anywhere in the top 3-4.    Makes it tough not having a real star, but QB play has certainly been adequate for the most part with a few great games mixed in.   Having said all that, this year's QB's will have more question marks than any since Frank has been here so here's hoping for some pleasant surprises.
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Monroe Slavin
3/19/2011 1:44 PM
Agree with your analysis, colo66.  I do guess, though, that we have more qb talent overall now than we've had in a good while.  The question is who will emerge and are there one or two guys who have upgrade talent.  I think that by the end of the season we can see some good answers and that the position will get better and better.  But for the first part of the season I think that we're gonna need to have the ground game rolling (until the passing game grooves).

I'd think that the general increase in talent we're showing will attract solid qb prospects.
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Bobcatzblitz
3/19/2011 5:03 PM
Tyler will surprise some people with his play..Bates has gotten better and will give an added dimension to the position as before..if  he estbalishes that he can most of the throws he will be a great weapon. Kyle is smart and has a strong arm so he has time to mature in the offense..the freshmen will all more than likely redshirt but the future at Qb is unknown but looks good enough to win the MAC...may not be a Dysert in the group but our Defense will carry us far.
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Doc Bobcat
3/19/2011 8:55 PM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
Tyler will surprise some people with his play..Bates has gotten better and will give an added dimension to the position as before..if  he estbalishes that he can most of the throws he will be a great weapon. Kyle is smart and has a strong arm so he has time to mature in the offense..the freshmen will all more than likely redshirt but the future at Qb is unknown but looks good enough to win the MAC...may not be a Dysert in the group but our Defense will carry us far.


Kyle and Tyler for sure......and the D should be better than most expect.
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The Optimist
3/20/2011 9:31 AM
I don't know how much stock you can put in Snyder's HS tapes, the kid was constantly running for his life (probably led him to becoming a better athlete)...  If you give him some time to set his feet, the kid has an arm; he rarely had the chance to showcase that in HS.
Last Edited: 3/20/2011 9:32:52 AM by The Optimist
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Bobcat36
3/21/2011 2:21 PM
Whenever this subject pops up I always wonder why no one acknowledges Bates' arm strength...He can sling it...He's made some bad decisions but if you think about it, every time he's had a chance it's been a look over your shoulder type of scenario for him (not to mention he was playing hurt much of last season)... 
Last Edited: 3/21/2011 2:22:17 PM by Bobcat36
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Doc Bobcat
3/21/2011 10:03 PM
Bobcat36 wrote:expand_more
Whenever this subject pops up I always wonder why no one acknowledges Bates' arm strength...He can sling it...He's made some bad decisions but if you think about it, every time he's had a chance it's been a look over your shoulder type of scenario for him (not to mention he was playing hurt much of last season)... 


He looked great in last years spring game......the accuracy just wasn't there during the regular season.
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Bobcat36
3/22/2011 10:39 AM

Agree Doc...

Which makes me thnk he may have been forcing it in an effort to "make the most" of his opportunities.  I still think it's going to be a shared role again this year with either Tyler or Kyle, but I think bates will be much more of a true dual threat.  It honestly wouldn't surprise me if he won the job outright either...

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Bobcatzblitz
3/22/2011 6:39 PM
If Phil Bates can  make 60-70 percent of his throws then the MAC is in trouble!
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Paul Graham
3/22/2011 11:49 PM
I don't understand how anyone could have payed attention last season and still believe we can win the MAC with Bates behind center. Wofford, Ohio State and Troy is plenty of evidence that we need to look elsewhere. A change of pace guy, perhaps running a Wildcat? Sure. But it would be silly to expect anything beyond that.

Lets just hope that someone asserts themselves as the obvious favorite from the start. Wouldn't it be nice to have a successful 4 year starter?
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colobobcat66
3/23/2011 10:55 AM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
I don't understand how anyone could have payed attention last season and still believe we can win the MAC with Bates behind center. Wofford, Ohio State and Troy is plenty of evidence that we need to look elsewhere. A change of pace guy, perhaps running a Wildcat? Sure. But it would be silly to expect anything beyond that.

Lets just hope that someone asserts themselves as the obvious favorite from the start. Wouldn't it be nice to have a successful 4 year starter?

I'm with you on this.  It's obvious that Bates is a stud athlete, but a throwing QB-no evidence whatsoever.   I'd go on record to say that we're a .500 team or below if he is the starting QB. 
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Bobcatzblitz
3/23/2011 4:23 PM
Have any of you ever played a sport. Give the guy some respect for busting his chops everyday and not just giving up. He has been working hard as a QB since the bowl game so I expect to see some improvement. And without him on the field we wouldnt have won a few games last season.
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Paul Graham
3/24/2011 12:41 AM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
Have any of you ever played a sport. Give the guy some respect for busting his chops everyday and not just giving up. He has been working hard as a QB since the bowl game so I expect to see some improvement. And without him on the field we wouldnt have won a few games last season.


I understand what you're saying. Sorry, I don't enjoy being a loud-mouth fan and I realize that these dudes work crazy hard every day. If Phil can make some serious improvements over the off season and display that in a game scenario, I would be the happiest man in Cook county.

I guess in general I would just like to see some talent, consistency, and continuity at QB. Even if Phil had a great senior season, that would again put us in the position of having another first year starter. Which seems to be an annual occurrence in Athens.

That's why I would like to see one of these freshman step up and take over this year. But who?

Here's another question, did any of our freshman (or Tettleton) receive an offer from a D1 school other than Ohio? It doesn't look like Tyler or Kyle did and I'm pretty certain the other dudes didn't either. How is that possible?!
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Bcat2
3/24/2011 7:55 AM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
If Phil Bates can make 60-70 percent of his throws then the MAC is in trouble!
70 percent would make any QB from any school dangerous.
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Bobcat36
3/24/2011 2:24 PM

Sorry but this is the same attitude as we heard after the Marshall game last year...Half of us were ready to throw in the towel for the whole season.  I blame much of last year’s early woes on uncertainty cultivated by the QB "controversy".   I was and always will be a Boo camper but I think it's clear that both QB's and the schemes / game plans suffered as a result of promises that had been made to Phil when he transferred.

Judging by what we saw out of Bates in spring ball last year, I completely buy that he has what it takes.  QB's performances (more than any other position) are vulnerable to mentality influences and I believe Phil's suffered as a result.  He clearly had some maturing to do but if he's done that and he's worked as hard as it seems he has in the off season, there's no reason he can't become a dominant force behind center for the Cats.

I agree it would be really nice to see the continuity that comes from an underclassman starter but next year's schedule / coaching turnover is too much of a perfect storm to not try and take advantage of if Phil can be the man.

Besides...Judging by this recruiting class, we might very well have a Redshirt Freshman starter in 2012 anyway!  

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Monroe Slavin
3/24/2011 9:52 PM
BY THE END OF THE 20012-13 SEASON YOU WILL BE HAPPY THAT WE ARE HAVING A QUARTERBACK CONTROVERSIES BECAUSE OF THE HIGH QUALITY TALENT YOU ARE SEEING ON THE PITCH FROM OUR QUARTERBACKS.
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colobobcat66
3/25/2011 10:35 AM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
Have any of you ever played a sport. Give the guy some respect for busting his chops everyday and not just giving up. He has been working hard as a QB since the bowl game so I expect to see some improvement. And without him on the field we wouldnt have won a few games last season.


I'm sure you right about him busting his chops and working hard.  I would expect no less.  And he is a stud and helped us win some games last year.  But spring game aside-and I don't put too much credence in that proving anything-his passing was not good last year and not very good at Iowa St either.    Let's hope that the problems were physological last year and he can overcome them.  No fan could be any happier that I will be if he gets it together.
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Doc Bobcat
3/25/2011 10:43 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Have any of you ever played a sport. Give the guy some respect for busting his chops everyday and not just giving up. He has been working hard as a QB since the bowl game so I expect to see some improvement. And without him on the field we wouldnt have won a few games last season.


I'm sure you right about him busting his chops and working hard.  I would expect no less.  And he is a stud and helped us win some games last year.  But spring game aside-and I don't put too much credence in that proving anything-his passing was not good last year and not very good at Iowa St either.    Let's hope that the problems were physological last year and he can overcome them.  No fan could be any happier that I will be if he gets it together.


The thing I look for first in any QB is accuracy......then will come things like quick release.....arm strength.....mobility...etc.etc.

Bates was accurate in the spring game......and then during the regular season he wasn't.

 I'd rather have a passing QB that can run a little than a running QB who can pass a little.
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Paul Graham
3/25/2011 7:39 PM
Sorry to keep this going, but you would just think that we would have scored big time with a QB this year.

1.) We are returning no experienced QB's
2.) We consistently have a stable of very capable wideouts. Taylor, Lavon and T-Mac...there has been NFL caliber talent here.
3.) We are becoming the most stable and consistent team in the league and our coach is not going anywhere anytime soon.
4.) Frank is big name coach with a program headed in the right directio.

The list goes on and on, yet we did not score a highly recruited (or even marginally recruited) QB. I just can't figure it out. No one in the MAC should have been able to out-recruit us this year for a QB. Oh well, perhaps it's time to move on and forget it.
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Bobcat36
3/26/2011 1:19 PM
The fact that a player isn't highly recruited doesn't mean he's not a big impact player.  Recruiting rating services are a self serving industry.  I for one was extremely impressed with this most recent class and the current depth at QB...
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L.C.
3/26/2011 3:05 PM
If Bates wins the job, expect that he will show substantial improvement from his Junior to Senior season. I would compare his situation with Everson - Everson went through several different offenses without a change in schools, while Bates changed offenses because of school changes. The longer a QB plays in a system, the more the game slows down as things become automatic, and they have to "think" less. That leads to less mistakes, and allows you to see more of the natural ability. After seeing Everson his Junior year, how many thought he would have the kind of Senior year he did? I think Bates can have the same kind of a step up in performance for his Senior year. If he is the one that wins the job, I'm not going to be concerned.
Last Edited: 3/26/2011 3:06:57 PM by L.C.
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Paul Graham
3/26/2011 3:52 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
After seeing Everson his Junior year, how many thought he would have the kind of Senior year he did?


Are we really STILL talking about Everson?! The dude threw 7 TDs and 8 picks his senior year. Wow, that's one helluva season that's for sure.

Sorry, but it's 2011 not 2006. Frank has been here for a while, built a stable and successful program and should now be expected to bring in much better talent then Knorr could have back in 2002. My god, watching us get lit up last year in New Orleans by a QB that can actually throw the ball should have been our wake up call. We need a gunslinger, ASAP.

And I know that there are hidden "gems" out there and plenty of great players have played here that were under-recruited...but I just can't believe that we could bring in 3 QBs and NONE of them were offered by anyone else. This was the year, and I think we somehow blew it.
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