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brucecuth
4/1/2013 2:39 PM
Optimist, really, I would not hold my breath on this kid. He looks like he's gonna be wayyyyy out of our price range...
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Bcat2
4/1/2013 3:14 PM
brucecuth wrote:expand_more
Optimist, really, I would not hold my breath on this kid. He looks like he's gonna be wayyyyy out of our price range...


It Depends.  I am glad he is looking around early and a lot. If it turns out Ohio's offense, OL, RBs, WRs and coaches are where we all hope they will be, some high speed QB will be lucky to run the offense.
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brucecuth
4/2/2013 5:42 PM
It's funny.  A couple years ago, a poster wrote that Ohio should never lose a D-! prospect from southeast OH to another school.  I replied that if I were a D-1 prospect and received offers from Ohio and say, Florida, the next sound you'd hear would be my tires screeching as I headed south.  The replies to my post were predictable.  "The original poster meant we should never lose a prospect to a MAC school."  and "doesn't really matter, southeast OH never produces high level prospects."

Now that it appears southeast OH might just produce a QB that power conference schools would want, well, the stories have changed.  "I'll be holding my breath over this one..."  "It depends.  If our players and coaches are as good as we hope they'll be..." 

The problem is many of us look at the issue as wishful fans, rather than hard headed realists.

Let's stipulate these two things:  Our program is where we all hope it will be two years from now.  And there is a QB in southeast OH talented enough to not only get an early offer from Ohio, but multiple offers from BIG 10 and other power conference schools. Is there really even a question as to where he'll go?

I can tell you if a kid is that good, he's a competitor.  He wants to test himself against the best competition, within the team he's on as well as the teams he'll play against..  Would he rather play Akron, Bowling Green and Miami with crowds at most around 20 thousand?  Or would he rather play for a school that has a schedule that includes a Michigan...or a Southern Cal...or a Florida, with crowds of 60,000...80,000...maybe even 100,000?  Would he rather play for a school who goes to third-tier bowls, or has a realistic opportunity at being in the national championship playoff?  A school that at best gets a game on national tv on a Wednesday or Thursday night, or a school whose games are televised on Saturday?   

I guess if this kid has a dad who happens to coach at Ohio, well maybe there's a 1 in 25 shot that he decides to stay here.  But it's not like this hypothetical kid has real roots here.  There's no real allegiance to Athens or Ohio University.  Like I said, his dad just happens to coach here.

Remember, 60 years ago there was an all world running back from Chauncey.  Still holds some Ohio high school rushing records.  But Hubert Bobo didn't go to the school 5 miles away (yes, I know Ohio was not a D-1 school then).  He wanted to play for Woody Hayes and compete in the Big 10.  Heck, I may be wrong, but I think he might have been more of a blocking back for Woody...still didn't matter.

It's early, as far as young Burrow is concerned.  Maybe he turns out to be good,  maybe better than good, but not super.  Then maybe Ohio has a great opportunity.  But if it turns out he has offers from good schools in power conferences, well, as I said in a previous post, I would not hold my breath.   
   
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OUs LONG Driver
4/2/2013 6:47 PM
I think you severely underestimate our chances here.  I don't think it's a lock but giving us a 4% chance seems way off base.  Also, living over half your life in one place isn't considered having roots in the area?

This will be Burrow's 11th season working with Solich.  I don't think you can just dismiss that as meaningless.  I'm sure Burrow and Solich have been pitching a much larger vision than what you're saying above especially in their own homes. 
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4/2/2013 6:51 PM
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It's funny.  A couple years ago, a poster wrote that Ohio should never lose a D-! prospect from southeast OH to another school.  I replied that if I were a D-1 prospect and received offers from Ohio and say, Florida, the next sound you'd hear would be my tires screeching as I headed south.  The replies to my post were predictable.  "The original poster meant we should never lose a prospect to a MAC school."  and "doesn't really matter, southeast OH never produces high level prospects."

Now that it appears southeast OH might just produce a QB that power conference schools would want, well, the stories have changed.  "I'll be holding my breath over this one..."  "It depends.  If our players and coaches are as good as we hope they'll be..." 

The problem is many of us look at the issue as wishful fans, rather than hard headed realists.

Let's stipulate these two things:  Our program is where we all hope it will be two years from now.  And there is a QB in southeast OH talented enough to not only get an early offer from Ohio, but multiple offers from BIG 10 and other power conference schools. Is there really even a question as to where he'll go?

I can tell you if a kid is that good, he's a competitor.  He wants to test himself against the best competition, within the team he's on as well as the teams he'll play against..  Would he rather play Akron, Bowling Green and Miami with crowds at most around 20 thousand?  Or would he rather play for a school that has a schedule that includes a Michigan...or a Southern Cal...or a Florida, with crowds of 60,000...80,000...maybe even 100,000?  Would he rather play for a school who goes to third-tier bowls, or has a realistic opportunity at being in the national championship playoff?  A school that at best gets a game on national tv on a Wednesday or Thursday night, or a school whose games are televised on Saturday?   

I guess if this kid has a dad who happens to coach at Ohio, well maybe there's a 1 in 25 shot that he decides to stay here.  But it's not like this hypothetical kid has real roots here.  There's no real allegiance to Athens or Ohio University.  Like I said, his dad just happens to coach here.

Remember, 60 years ago there was an all world running back from Chauncey.  Still holds some Ohio high school rushing records.  But Hubert Bobo didn't go to the school 5 miles away (yes, I know Ohio was not a D-1 school then).  He wanted to play for Woody Hayes and compete in the Big 10.  Heck, I may be wrong, but I think he might have been more of a blocking back for Woody...still didn't matter.

It's early, as far as young Burrow is concerned.  Maybe he turns out to be good,  maybe better than good, but not super.  Then maybe Ohio has a great opportunity.  But if it turns out he has offers from good schools in power conferences, well, as I said in a previous post, I would not hold my breath.   
   


Check me on this.  Don't we have a former ND QB at Ohio?  Are we not discussing a 5 star  QB bouncing around attempting to find a place to play?  For a player coaching should matter and playing should matter. Getting to Michigan or So. Cal does not mean you will play.  Only one QB on the field at a time and if the coaching is first class the better oportunity may be at a MAC or like program.  Are you suggesting  TT would have been better off at Michigan watching than Ohio playing?  His best oportunity was Ohio, no question.
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Monroe Slavin
4/2/2013 11:33 PM
If a young man wants to play in front of 60+ thousand against what are considered premier teams, it will be tough for us to bring him in.

But if he wants to develop his skills and get noticed by the pro scouts, we can accomodate.
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Bcat2
4/3/2013 7:46 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
If a young man wants to play in front of 60+ thousand against what are considered premier teams, it will be tough for us to bring him in.

But if he wants to develop his skills and get noticed by the pro scouts, we can accomodate.


Well said, I hope Dysert and Lynch have no regrets for having played in the MAC.  Lynch may not QB in the pros but he sure is having a memorable time in college at NIU.
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brucecuth
4/3/2013 1:42 PM
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It's funny.  A couple years ago, a poster wrote that Ohio should never lose a D-! prospect from southeast OH to another school.  I replied that if I were a D-1 prospect and received offers from Ohio and say, Florida, the next sound you'd hear would be my tires screeching as I headed south.  The replies to my post were predictable.  "The original poster meant we should never lose a prospect to a MAC school."  and "doesn't really matter, southeast OH never produces high level prospects."

Now that it appears southeast OH might just produce a QB that power conference schools would want, well, the stories have changed.  "I'll be holding my breath over this one..."  "It depends.  If our players and coaches are as good as we hope they'll be..." 

The problem is many of us look at the issue as wishful fans, rather than hard headed realists.

Let's stipulate these two things:  Our program is where we all hope it will be two years from now.  And there is a QB in southeast OH talented enough to not only get an early offer from Ohio, but multiple offers from BIG 10 and other power conference schools. Is there really even a question as to where he'll go?

I can tell you if a kid is that good, he's a competitor.  He wants to test himself against the best competition, within the team he's on as well as the teams he'll play against..  Would he rather play Akron, Bowling Green and Miami with crowds at most around 20 thousand?  Or would he rather play for a school that has a schedule that includes a Michigan...or a Southern Cal...or a Florida, with crowds of 60,000...80,000...maybe even 100,000?  Would he rather play for a school who goes to third-tier bowls, or has a realistic opportunity at being in the national championship playoff?  A school that at best gets a game on national tv on a Wednesday or Thursday night, or a school whose games are televised on Saturday?   

I guess if this kid has a dad who happens to coach at Ohio, well maybe there's a 1 in 25 shot that he decides to stay here.  But it's not like this hypothetical kid has real roots here.  There's no real allegiance to Athens or Ohio University.  Like I said, his dad just happens to coach here.

Remember, 60 years ago there was an all world running back from Chauncey.  Still holds some Ohio high school rushing records.  But Hubert Bobo didn't go to the school 5 miles away (yes, I know Ohio was not a D-1 school then).  He wanted to play for Woody Hayes and compete in the Big 10.  Heck, I may be wrong, but I think he might have been more of a blocking back for Woody...still didn't matter.

It's early, as far as young Burrow is concerned.  Maybe he turns out to be good,  maybe better than good, but not super.  Then maybe Ohio has a great opportunity.  But if it turns out he has offers from good schools in power conferences, well, as I said in a previous post, I would not hold my breath.   
   


Check me on this.  Don't we have a former ND QB at Ohio?  Are we not discussing a 5 star  QB bouncing around attempting to find a place to play?  For a player coaching should matter and playing should matter. Getting to Michigan or So. Cal does not mean you will play.  Only one QB on the field at a time and if the coaching is first class the better oportunity may be at a MAC or like program.  Are you suggesting  TT would have been better off at Michigan watching than Ohio playing?  His best oportunity was Ohio, no question.


Now that you bring up TT, remember, he was hurt his junior HS year and by his own account he had 3 scholarship offers. His "best opportunity"?  Ohio was just about his only opportunity.   I read carefully all the stories about him early in the season after we defeated  Penn St. and were getting votes in the polls. He's happy here, but he made it quite clear that he had hoped to get offers from bigger schools and was disappointed that he didn't.  Their loss is our gain, and I couldn't be happier.  Fact is, though, if he had gotten those other offers, most likely he wouldn't be here.  Why? Because he's a competitor, and he wanted to compete at the highest level. 

Let's also carry  to its full conclusion  this oft-repeated argument that that kids should come to Ohio rather than a D-1 powerhouse 'cuz they'll have a better opportunity to play here.   Well, I guess every player coming to Ohio hoping to start but not presently doing so should transfer to a lesser D-1 program or even D-2 or D-3. ' Cuz  just as it is better to play at Ohio rather than sit on the bench at Michigan, it must be better to start at Mount Union or Augustana or even UNLV rather than sit on the bench at Ohio... There's good coaching at all those places, and pro scouts who know how to find Athens can find them, too. 
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4/3/2013 2:12 PM
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I think you severely underestimate our chances here.  I don't think it's a lock but giving us a 4% chance seems way off base.  Also, living over half your life in one place isn't considered having roots in the area?

This will be Burrow's 11th season working with Solich.  I don't think you can just dismiss that as meaningless.  I'm sure Burrow and Solich have been pitching a much larger vision than what you're saying above especially in their own homes. 


And that "larger vision" is what?  We're gonna leave the MAC for the ACC?  Athens will suddenly become a major media market?  Ohio's gonna morph into Boise (sorry, the two schools are far more dissimilar than they are alike). 
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L.C.
4/3/2013 2:18 PM
I don't see why this discussion even exists. You go after the players you think can help the team and program, and you take your chances. Some choose you. Some go elsewhere. You certainly don't start thinking "oh, he's too good - Ohio can never get him." If you do that, you never end up with, say, Cleve Bryant. Yes, ties to the school don't necessarily bring players in. Think about Pete Lalich, or Paul Johnson's younger brother, or Julian Posey's younger brother as examples. Yet, because the last guy didn't choose Ohio, that doesn't mean you give up. You still go after good players, and you give them your sales pitch, and who knows what will happen?
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OUs LONG Driver
4/3/2013 6:33 PM
brucecuth wrote:expand_more
I think you severely underestimate our chances here.  I don't think it's a lock but giving us a 4% chance seems way off base.  Also, living over half your life in one place isn't considered having roots in the area?

This will be Burrow's 11th season working with Solich.  I don't think you can just dismiss that as meaningless.  I'm sure Burrow and Solich have been pitching a much larger vision than what you're saying above especially in their own homes. 


And that "larger vision" is what?  We're gonna leave the MAC for the ACC?  Athens will suddenly become a major media market?  Ohio's gonna morph into Boise (sorry, the two schools are far more dissimilar than they are alike). 


Tettleton's father isn't an Ohio coach so there's no comparison between the two.  He also didn't spend most of his life around the Ohio football program.

I've not heard the recruiting pitch but I bet the goal is a perennial Top 25 team that's relevant nationally. Why couldn't Ohio experience a similar level of success as Boise?   I don't think that's impossible.  The program continues to break barriers that people as recently as 10 years ago thought were impossible.   Frankly (no pun intended), the future of Ohio football has never been brighter. 

In the end his father knows this situation very well and will recommend what's best for his son.  Joe will then make the choice he feels is best for him.  It might be Ohio, it may not be.  Even if he chooses elsewhere it doesn't mean we had no chance.
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4/3/2013 7:38 PM
brucecuth wrote:expand_more
Optimist, really, I would not hold my breath on this kid. He looks like he's gonna be wayyyyy out of our price range...

This isn't 1993 or 2003. This is 2013 and Ohio has a very real chance at bringing in the best player to come out of SE Ohio in a long time.

It's a great day to be a Bobcat, and Joe Burrow knows that.
Last Edited: 4/3/2013 7:38:41 PM by The Optimist
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brucecuth
4/3/2013 8:45 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Optimist, really, I would not hold my breath on this kid. He looks like he's gonna be wayyyyy out of our price range...

This isn't 1993 or 2003. This is 2013 and Ohio has a very real chance at bringing in the best player to come out of SE Ohio in a long time.

It's a great day to be a Bobcat, and Joe Burrow knows that.


Well, at least I know that you really are "the Optimist!" 

We'll see what happens...
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4/3/2013 9:47 PM
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[QUOTE=brucecuth]It's funny.  A couple years ago, a poster wrote that Ohio should never lose a D-! prospect from southeast OH to another school.  I replied that if I were a D-1 prospect and received offers from Ohio and say, Florida, the next sound you'd hear would be my tires screeching as I headed south.  The replies to my post were predictable.  "The original poster meant we should never lose a prospect to a MAC school."  and "doesn't really matter, southeast OH never produces high level prospects."

Now that it appears southeast OH might just produce a QB that power conference schools would want, well, the stories have changed.  "I'll be holding my breath over this one..."  "It depends.  If our players and coaches are as good as we hope they'll be..." 

The problem is many of us look at the issue as wishful fans, rather than hard headed realists.

Let's stipulate these two things:  Our program is where we all hope it will be two years from now.  And there is a QB in southeast OH talented enough to not only get an early offer from Ohio, but multiple offers from BIG 10 and other power conference schools. Is there really even a question as to where he'll go?

I can tell you if a kid is that good, he's a competitor.  He wants to test himself against the best competition, within the team he's on as well as the teams he'll play against..  Would he rather play Akron, Bowling Green and Miami with crowds at most around 20 thousand?  Or would he rather play for a school that has a schedule that includes a Michigan...or a Southern Cal...or a Florida, with crowds of 60,000...80,000...maybe even 100,000?  Would he rather play for a school who goes to third-tier bowls, or has a realistic opportunity at being in the national championship playoff?  A school that at best gets a game on national tv on a Wednesday or Thursday night, or a school whose games are televised on Saturday?   

I guess if this kid has a dad who happens to coach at Ohio, well maybe there's a 1 in 25 shot that he decides to stay here.  But it's not like this hypothetical kid has real roots here.  There's no real allegiance to Athens or Ohio University.  Like I said, his dad just happens to coach here.

Remember, 60 years ago there was an all world running back from Chauncey.  Still holds some Ohio high school rushing records.  But Hubert Bobo didn't go to the school 5 miles away (yes, I know Ohio was not a D-1 school then).  He wanted to play for Woody Hayes and compete in the Big 10.  Heck, I may be wrong, but I think he might have been more of a blocking back for Woody...still didn't matter.

It's early, as far as young Burrow is concerned.  Maybe he turns out to be good,  maybe better than good, but not super.  Then maybe Ohio has a great opportunity.  But if it turns out he has offers from good schools in power conferences, well, as I said in a previous post, I would not hold my breath.   
   


Check me on this.  Don't we have a former ND QB at Ohio?  Are we not discussing a 5 star  QB bouncing around attempting to find a place to play?  For a player coaching should matter and playing should matter. Getting to Michigan or So. Cal does not mean you will play.  Only one QB on the field at a time and if the coaching is first class the better oportunity may be at a MAC or like program.  Are you suggesting  TT would have been better off at Michigan watching than Ohio playing?  His best oportunity was Ohio, no question.


Now that you bring up TT, remember, he was hurt his junior HS year and by his own account he had 3 scholarship offers. His "best opportunity"?  Ohio was just about his only opportunity.   I read carefully all the stories about him early in the season after we defeated  Penn St. and were getting votes in the polls. He's happy here, but he made it quite clear that he had hoped to get offers from bigger schools and was disappointed that he didn't.  Their loss is our gain, and I couldn't be happier.  Fact is, though, if he had gotten those other offers, most likely he wouldn't be here.  Why? Because he's a competitor, and he wanted to compete at the highest level. 

Let's also carry  to its full conclusion  this oft-repeated argument that that kids should come to Ohio rather than a D-1 powerhouse 'cuz they'll have a better opportunity to play here.   Well, I guess every player coming to Ohio hoping to start but not presently doing so should transfer to a lesser D-1 program or even D-2 or D-3. ' Cuz  just as it is better to play at Ohio rather than sit on the bench at Michigan, it must be better to start at Mount Union or Augustana or even UNLV rather than sit on the bench at Ohio... There's good coaching at all those places, and pro scouts who know how to find Athens can find them, too. 
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Somewhere above I posted that I am glad Joe is looking early and far and wide.  After all  he will need to make an informed decision on where he best fits.  Who knows there might be factors beyond football important to the young man. 
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4/6/2013 9:05 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
If a young man wants to play in front of 60+ thousand against what are considered premier teams, it will be tough for us to bring him in.

But if he wants to develop his skills and get noticed by the pro scouts, we can accomodate.
Because we have developed how many pro QB's?
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Monroe Slavin
4/7/2013 2:59 AM
So, this means that we are not capable of doing so?

Everyone who is one now (has done it) is someone who was was not one (had not done it).

There's some truth, perhaps, to thinking that we are not the best at developing pro qb's or cannot  do it.  But I prefer to look at the reasonable possibility that we can do it.  TT may not be a pro prospect but he and has mates are evidence that we can have a respectable passing game.
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Monroe Slavin
4/7/2013 2:59 AM
We'd never shown that we were capable of winning a bowl game.

Then...
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L.C.
4/7/2013 7:47 AM
Really the only relevant question is, do you need to play in a BCS conference to have sufficient competition to hone your skills for the NF?. The fact that numerous QB's have gone from the MAC to the NFL answers that question definitively. MAC competition does prepare a QB for the NFL. Therefore the question becomes whether Ohio, and Ohio's coaches are a good fit for his needs.
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Speaker of Truth
4/10/2013 8:18 PM
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Really the only relevant question is, do you need to play in a BCS conference to have sufficient competition to hone your skills for the NF?. The fact that numerous QB's have gone from the MAC to the NFL answers that question definitively. MAC competition does prepare a QB for the NFL. Therefore the question becomes whether Ohio, and Ohio's coaches are a good fit for his needs.


I agree LC a little but the odds of you getting noticed at a big time school by pro scouts are much more likely.  Now you will also face a tougher time winning the job.  It is really tough to say that the best situation for this kids future is for him to stay in Athens.  I hope he does, but our best chance is that the kid wants to play for his dad....
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Monroe Slavin
4/10/2013 10:05 PM
The pro scouts will find talent wherever it plays.
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4/27/2013 12:00 AM
brucecuth, I don't know about the kid from Chauncey, but I do know that once upon a time a kid from Athens who Woody wanted very badly spurned A&M stayed in Athens to follow in his father's footsteps as an Ohio football player.  His name?  Todd Snyder!  This might be a slightly better analogy to the Burrow's kid, though Todd's father was the basketball and not the football coach at the time.  Jim was, though, as I mentioned a real football star in his college days at Ohio.  In fact, in one of Ohio's victories over Illinois under Don Peden, the elder Snyder caught the only TD pass in the 6-0 victory.  As I recall from some clippings I saw about that game years ago it was a catch with a lot of YAC in it. 
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4/27/2013 4:02 PM
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It's funny. A couple years ago, a poster wrote that Ohio should never lose a D-! prospect from southeast OH to another school. I replied that if I were a D-1 prospect and received offers from Ohio and say, Florida, the next sound you'd hear would be my tires screeching as I headed south. The replies to my post were predictable. "The original poster meant we should never lose a prospect to a MAC school." and "doesn't really matter, southeast OH never produces high level prospects."

Now that it appears southeast OH might just produce a QB that power conference schools would want, well, the stories have changed. "I'll be holding my breath over this one..." "It depends. If our players and coaches are as good as we hope they'll be..."

The problem is many of us look at the issue as wishful fans, rather than hard headed realists.

Let's stipulate these two things: Our program is where we all hope it will be two years from now. And there is a QB in southeast OH talented enough to not only get an early offer from Ohio, but multiple offers from BIG 10 and other power conference schools. Is there really even a question as to where he'll go?

I can tell you if a kid is that good, he's a competitor. He wants to test himself against the best competition, within the team he's on as well as the teams he'll play against.. Would he rather play Akron, Bowling Green and Miami with crowds at most around 20 thousand? Or would he rather play for a school that has a schedule that includes a Michigan...or a Southern Cal...or a Florida, with crowds of 60,000...80,000...maybe even 100,000? Would he rather play for a school who goes to third-tier bowls, or has a realistic opportunity at being in the national championship playoff? A school that at best gets a game on national tv on a Wednesday or Thursday night, or a school whose games are televised on Saturday?

I guess if this kid has a dad who happens to coach at Ohio, well maybe there's a 1 in 25 shot that he decides to stay here. But it's not like this hypothetical kid has real roots here. There's no real allegiance to Athens or Ohio University. Like I said, his dad just happens to coach here.

Remember, 60 years ago there was an all world running back from Chauncey. Still holds some Ohio high school rushing records. But Hubert Bobo didn't go to the school 5 miles away (yes, I know Ohio was not a D-1 school then). He wanted to play for Woody Hayes and compete in the Big 10. Heck, I may be wrong, but I think he might have been more of a blocking back for Woody...still didn't matter.

It's early, as far as young Burrow is concerned. Maybe he turns out to be good, maybe better than good, but not super. Then maybe Ohio has a great opportunity. But if it turns out he has offers from good schools in power conferences, well, as I said in a previous post, I would not hold my breath.


Check me on this. Don't we have a former ND QB at Ohio? Are we not discussing a 5 star QB bouncing around attempting to find a place to play? For a player coaching should matter and playing should matter. Getting to Michigan or So. Cal does not mean you will play. Only one QB on the field at a time and if the coaching is first class the better oportunity may be at a MAC or like program. Are you suggesting TT would have been better off at Michigan watching than Ohio playing? His best oportunity was Ohio, no question.

The kid from Waverly was not close to a 5 star recruit.
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4/28/2013 6:07 PM
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Optimist, really, I would not hold my breath on this kid. He looks like he's gonna be wayyyyy out of our price range...


I'll pitch in if we're taking donations to slip him some envelopes of cash.
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Monroe Slavin
4/28/2013 11:05 PM
THERE'S NO WAY THAT A YOUNGSTER LIKE THIS CAN BE NOTICED BY THE TRADITIONAL FOOTBALL POWERS SINCE HE PLAYS IN ATHENS...IN THE SAME WAY THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT PRO SCOUTS WILL CARE AT ALL ABOUT HIM IF HE PLAYS FOOTBALL FOR OHIO UNIVERSITY ATHENS.
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Bcat2
4/29/2013 7:43 AM
Question.  What is his style? Is he like TT, Dysert, out of what mold is he?
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