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Topic: 2016 OL Luke Doerger (Cincinnati LaSalle) - Ohio Offer
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Ted Thompson
12/18/2014 2:27 PM

Ohio has offered a scholarship to 2016 Cincinnati LaSalle HS offensive lineman Luke Doerger. The 6-3, 303-pounder also has offers from Akron, Buffalo and Toledo.

From the Cincinnati Enquirer: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/blogs/2014/12/18/ohio-university-offers-la-salle-2016-ol-luke-doerger/20580077/

 

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Monroe Slavin
12/19/2014 1:57 AM
Apparently I've become Casper71 for the holidays...when we gonn' see offers to guys offered by Pitt and Minnesota and Arkansas and Washington?
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L.C.
12/19/2014 4:27 AM
On these 2016 offers, we're in early (which to me means we are mostly through with 2015). We'll just have to see who else comes later. Ohio was on of the first to offer Burrow, too.
Last Edited: 12/19/2014 4:28:04 AM by L.C.
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The Optimist
12/19/2014 8:20 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Apparently I've become Casper71 for the holidays...when we gonn' see offers to guys offered by Pitt and Minnesota and Arkansas and Washington?
Like our other 2016 offer from LaSalle high school, I believe the offers are coming here. LaSalle's rushing offense was a force this season. Give me their entire offensive line and all their backs.

Getting in early here is wise.
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Mark Lembright '85
12/19/2014 10:10 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Apparently I've become Casper71 for the holidays...when we gonn' see offers to guys offered by Pitt and Minnesota and Arkansas and Washington?
Hmmm, let's see. I'm a recruit and I'm good enough to be offered to play by schools that are in the ACC, the Big 10, the SEC and the PAC 10 yet I'm going to go play football at Ohio? Yeah, that's going to happen.
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Monroe Slavin
12/19/2014 10:25 AM
No doubt it's a difficult challenge for us, Mark. But the odds of them coming have to be greater if we offer. Does it carry any particular cost to offer? Notice that I didn't say we should offer kids who are being offered by Alabama and USC and Florida. Can't we compete with the Minnesotas and Pitts at least somewhat?
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Mark Lembright '85
12/19/2014 10:51 AM
Minnesota perhaps (will recruits want to play in the snow and cold?) except they just built a beautiful 50,000 seat stadium. And that's a problem Ohio faces-a lot of these programs that are lower in the P5 food chain are improving their facilities and feeding this ever-increasing arms race even more. If I'm a recruit attracted by spiffy new or modern facilities and playing in front of large crowds, I'm not choosing Ohio.
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The Optimist
12/19/2014 1:00 PM
Like it or not, we are a part of the arms race. We have a brand new IPF and an Academic Center in the endzone of our stadium
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Mark Lembright '85
12/19/2014 3:28 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Like it or not, we are a part of the arms race. We have a brand new IPF and an Academic Center in the endzone of our stadium
You are right, we are in the arms race, but barely. An IPF doesn't set us apart or ahead; we're merely keeping up with the Joneses there (and like I've said, without the Walter family there'd be no IPF). The Academic Center is very, very basic compared to others at other schools, and even at that you see the resistance to spending/paying for and building such a building from many even on this board, who are Ohio's most loyal fans.

And now, Fleck's making $800,000 a year at WMU. No way in you-know-where Ohio can pay that kind of coin and if it did I think there'd be a revolt in Athens.

I would posit that in the arms race, Ohio's doing well as far as the MAC's concerned. As far as the P5 are concerned, we're nowhere near being able to compete.
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L.C.
12/19/2014 4:28 PM
Every year at this time Ohio sends out a lot of offers to the players they want the most. Most of them turn out to be 3-4 star athletes, with a few 5-star guys mixed in, and a few 2-star guys mixed in. Most of them get offers from multiple P5 teams, and yes, some get offers from Alabama, Ohio State, etc. About 10% of them end up choosing Ohio.

If look at the top thread locked on the top of the recruiting forum, you will find a chart that tells by month when Ohio got recruits. I can't repost the table here in a readable way because of the changes to the input screen (I hope Ryan eventually gets it fixed), so you have to look at it there. Prior to 2010 Ohio never got any verbals prior to September, meaning that they got few if any verbals from their initial batch of offers.

In 2013 something new started happening. Ohio started getting back large numbers of verbals from those initial offers, meaning that Ohio was getting the kids that were their first choice, rather than kids they picked out after the season to fill the class. The result was significantly better recruiting classes in 2013, 2014, and 2015.

Here is a link to some of the people Ohio offered for 2014, and it's filled with people that accepted P5 offers:
http://ohio.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Offers

Saying that no one would ever turn down a P5 offer to play at Ohio is just plain wrong. It happens almost every year, usually with 2-3 players. Here are some of them:

Horrace Hubbard - TCU, USF, Minnesota
McCrae - Indiana
Zac Clark - Minnesota
Keller - grayshirt, Kansas\
Dawson - Mississippi
Bussey - Indiana
Britain - Mississippi
Gerald Moore - Louisville, Northwestern
Tremayne Scott - Kansas, Louisville
Jon Lechner - Iowa State, grayshirts at Wisconsin, Nebraska
X. Hughes - West Virginia
Sam Johnson - BC, Louisville
Ben Russell - Minnesota
L. Smith - Indiana, Syracuse
Crutcher - Illinois
Welter - California
McQueen - Indiana, W. Virginia
Gibbons - BC, Illinois, Wake Forest
S. Smith - Indiana
Schany - Colorado
Tanner - BC
Blair Brown - Indiana
Quallen - grayshirt, Wisconsin
Lowery - Illinois
McCray - Louisville
Walker - Wake Forest
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Monroe Slavin
12/20/2014 5:05 AM
So, we can get guys with P5 offers and we've been able to, recently, fill our classes early.

Conclusion: time to upgrade who we go after a bit, 'cause if we don't offer they won't come, if we do offer then they may come, and if they don't come we can (you are telling me) pretty much fall back to getting some guys who are better than what we were getting a few years ago anyway.

It's tiresome and boring to fill our classes with guys who mostly were offered by kron, Youngstown State, Buffalo and Western Kentucky. As Casper71 has effectively argued, we've proven that's not the way to a MACC title.
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L.C.
12/20/2014 12:55 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
So, we can get guys with P5 offers and we've been able to, recently, fill our classes early.

Conclusion: time to upgrade who we go after a bit, 'cause if we don't offer they won't come, if we do offer then they may come, and if they don't come we can (you are telling me) pretty much fall back to getting some guys who are better than what we were getting a few years ago anyway.

It's tiresome and boring to fill our classes with guys who mostly were offered by kron, Youngstown State, Buffalo and Western Kentucky. As Casper71 has effectively argued, we've proven that's not the way to a MACC title.

I think they did that this year, so the class came in just a little slower, but the result is guys like Alders, Ball, and McKnight.
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L.C.
12/20/2014 1:31 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
So, we can get guys with P5 offers and we've been able to, recently, fill our classes early.

Conclusion: time to upgrade who we go after a bit, 'cause if we don't offer they won't come, if we do offer then they may come, and if they don't come we can (you are telling me) pretty much fall back to getting some guys who are better than what we were getting a few years ago anyway.

It's tiresome and boring to fill our classes with guys who mostly were offered by kron, Youngstown State, Buffalo and Western Kentucky. As Casper71 has effectively argued, we've proven that's not the way to a MACC title.

I think they did upgrade who they went after this year. The result was that the class came in a little slower than last year, but the result is guys like Alders, Ball, and McKnight that are going to be really good, in my opinion.

I would expect that this year they will issue about 180 early offers, all of them to guys that they think are very good players (i.e. Casper's 3-star players). They will lose a lot of them to P5 teams, but they should also get some, too.
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