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Posted: 2/4/2012 5:32 PM
Since I started this thread I'd thought that maybe I should check in.

A no brainer exists if he is guilty.

I'm confused though about those that stand by the "innocent or not he needs to suffer".  Yes.....I no....no one said that...but everyone who said we should stay away from him even if he was innocent pretty much said that.......if he is innocent no one touches him and loses a college and NFL career because of false charges....if that's not sufferin what is?

Hey....he could be guilty and case closed....if not he's like me....someone who was involved with false accusations...it wasn't about me or cost me a job....but it did wake me up to the point where I said there are a plethora of false accusers in my profession and maybe I should get out....so I did.

At this point I'm not a bleed greener who wants a 4 or 5 star player.....just someone like most of you who wants justice....and if he's innocent justice ain't him movin to a leper colony.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 1:09 AM
The interesting thing is that no one took the approach that he should get any special consideration because of his ability, or because of his 4-star status. It was agreed by all that if he is convicted, he will not play. The only difference of opinion came when it come to what happens if he is acquitted. When it comes right down to it, there were basically two different views expressed about what should happen if he is acquitted:
1. The "Innocent until proven guilty" view - In this view, Lewis has a right to defend himself, and we will let the court decide the issue. If he is acquitted, he would be presumed to be innocent. Therefore, if acquitted, and he can become academically eligible, he would be no different than any other recruit.
2. The "Rape charges do not fall from the sky" view. In this view, because he has been accused, he is presumed to be guilty. It is not clear that there is any way to overcome this presumption, because the accusation in itself establishes guilt. Even if he is acquitted, and is able to become academically eligible, proponents of this view would still consider him a rapist, and not welcome.

Unfortunately these views are not reconcilable, so further discussion is likely to be unfruitful.
 
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Posted: 2/5/2012 2:03 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
1. The "Innocent until proven guilty" view - In this view, Lewis has a right to defend himself, and we will let the court decide the issue. If he is acquitted, he would be presumed to be innocent. Therefore, if acquitted, and he can become academically eligible, he would be no different than any other recruit.
 


But he wouldn't. How much time is he going to lose to this process? That's an important factor.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 5:39 AM
If the kid is acquitted and passes his ACT, Ohio should sign him. I have a mother and five sisters and I love them. Saying that, many people have been falsely charged with rape because they either did have the same relationship aspirations or the accused was trying to get themselves out of trouble. If Lewis is found not guilty in the court of law, he should have every right to continue on with his football career. We had a guy named Sid Hall, he played linebacker and fullback in the 90's. He did time for assault, Sid later became an excellent football and citizen at Ohio University.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 8:40 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
But he wouldn't. How much time is he going to lose to this process? That's an important factor.

It could be a matter of months, if they decide to drop charges, or it could be a year or more. There is no way to know, but similarly there is no way to proceed until the issue is resolved. In any case, even if the legal issues do get resolved, he still has to deal with the academic issues. This will soon cease to be a hot topic, and we will just have to wait and see what, if anything develops.
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Posted: 3/7/2012 11:38 AM
it's been a little over a month - any update?
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Posted: 3/7/2012 2:36 PM
Everyone is still waiting..Roger is confident that he will be exonerated and Ohio is in holding mode until further word. He has a great lawyer and a lot of evidence was recently submitted to the prosecutor so I'm assuming that put a kink in the plans for a grand jury indictment a few weeks back..I hear that it is election time for the Prosecutor so they are saying that has bearing on something (weird). Seems strange to me what they are doing but I do not know any other details. 
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Posted: 5/9/2012 8:43 AM
Sounds like it going to be awhile before any trial occurs.

http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/article/20120426/NEW...
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Posted: 7/17/2012 5:47 PM
Competency motion withdrawn

It will likely be a good long while before this is resolved.
Last Edited: 7/17/2012 7:08:35 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 4:27 PM
cincybobcat99 wrote:expand_more
Sounds like it going to be awhile before any trial occurs.

http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/article/20120426/NEW...


Trial began last week and will continue this week. Defense is claiming the sex was consensual.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 7:27 PM
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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:33 AM
I'm no lawyer but this case still looks strange.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:37 AM
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Posted: 2/21/2013 3:15 PM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
I'm no lawyer but this case still looks strange.
The jury is apparently having a difficult time with it as well, and they haven't been able to reach a verdict. Trial deliberations to enter third day.
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Posted: 2/21/2013 4:18 PM
The Columbus Dispatch is reporting the jury has reached a verdict on one count (the December 2 incident) but is at an impasse on the other (the January 6 incident).

This is pure speculation, but based on the article, my hunch is acquittal on the December 2 incident, with one or more hold-outs for conviction on the January 6 incident. Lewis testified that she said "no" in the car, but that it was just "role-playing". A juror could very easily find that is an admission to rape: "'No' means no.
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Posted: 2/21/2013 6:24 PM
Not guilty
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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:16 PM
So, now, where were we?
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Posted: 2/21/2013 10:29 PM
I doubt he ever became eligible, with this hanging over his head. I suspect the next step is to place him in Juco.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 8:28 AM
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Not guilty


Actually, it was not guilty on one charge and a deadlock on the second one, so he still could be retried for one of the charges.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/02/22/rape-trial-ends-with-partial-acquittal.html
Last Edited: 2/22/2013 8:32:10 AM by UpSan Bobcat
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:46 AM
I think its unlikely that they'll retry on the second count (though it is certainly possible). Regardless if he's eligible or not, if he goes to college as an athlete he needs to be a friggin' saint. No drinking, never alone with a female such that if he is innocent he's always got a witness or witnesses to vouch for his proper behavior to insulate him against false charges, etc.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:03 AM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
I think its unlikely that they'll retry on the second count (though it is certainly possible).


I hope you're right, but I would bet they put some serious pressure on him to plead guilty to a lesser charge. Prosecutor's do not like to lose, and a plea deal would at least give the prosecutor some political cover. I don't know what the Lewis family's financial situation is, but a year-plus long criminal defense is going to be expensive, and a re-trial isn't going to be any cheaper. If the prosecutor takes prison time off the table, Lewis may do the deal.

And crap like this is exactly why I can't bring myself to do criminal law.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 5:01 PM
The lawyer was 20k..and Roger took some college prep classes in the mean time but is looking at Prep School Hargrave/ForkUnion.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 8:21 PM

Either is an excellent choice.  However, my pick is Hargrave, because the chapel services feature "all the great Christian hymns."  From my point of view, that's about as good as it gets. 

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Posted: 3/16/2013 4:46 PM
Any news here?  Will there be a re-trial?  Will the young man be attending school anywhere?  We he be playing football?  ???
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