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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:56 PM
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The question is, would you rather be Toledo, Northern or Western who won MAC titles and also have finished as bowl participants every year? Using Buffalo as your argument is weak.
The choice to use Buffalo wasn't mine, that came from the guy I was responding to. Also you're wrong about all three schools you mention. Toledo had a losing season and didn't bowl in 2009, NIU the same in 2016, and Western's had three losing seasons since 2009. Ohio hasn't had a single losing season in the past ten years.
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It's easy to blame the coaches and granted we were outcoached last night. Fiami made adjustments after giving up the first TD and we didn't compensate. But there was also a big lack of execution by the players -- both offense and defense -- in the first half. Rourke was something like 1 for 7 passing at one point, with drops and misfires. The defense forgot how to tackle. Getting down 28-7 was a real team effort. And so was outscoring Fiami 21-2 in the 2nd half. It's cliche, but I really wouldn't have wanted to have been in the Ohio locker room at the half.
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People always want to put the blame on someone but sometimes the reason things happen is just chance. It just so happened in the first half that Rourke slipped into that passing funk that has become less common where he isn't so accurate. Ragland was on the mark and his receivers didn't drop the ball. Everything Miami called seemed to be perfect with perfect execution. It was the opposite in the second half, other than one of the best kickers in the league missing a short field goal and Rourke trying to make a play and finding himself in the wrong spot. Those mistakes happen. They happened at just the wrong time. It sucks for Ohio but I don't think it's a lack of effort, a lack of preparation, a lack of ability. The randomness of sports make it fun a lot of the time but also frustrating.
Please.

Is it random that Ohio lost at Akron last year with the East title on the line .... and then dropped then next at a sub-.500 Buffalo team?

Is it random Ohio lost in 2010 to Kent with East title on the line?

Is it random that Ohio lost all those November games in 2012 & 2013?

Is it random that Ohio lost to 2-win Texas State in their home opener in 2016?

Is it random that Ohio is the only school in the MAC to not win a title since 1972?

Is it random that Ohio has never won a MAC Player of the Year award in Solich era?

Is it random that Frank has been named coach of the year in the MAC once in his 14 years? And that was in 2006 (his second year)

Is it random that 11 different coaches have won a MAC title during the first 13 years of the Solich era? (and we're on the verge of a 12th in 14 years this year)

Is it random that Ohio has the 3rd most wins in the MAC since 2005 ... and zero titles to show for it?

Is it random that Ohio has played the second most games as a road favorite (38) than anyone else in the MAC ... and has the most losses (10) since the start of the Solich era?

Is it random that Ohio has the best non-conference winning percentage in the MAC since start of Solich era (54%) .... because they traditionally play the weakest non-conference schedule in the league? Stacking up wins vs. inferior opponents?

Is it random that Ohio has the best MAC East divisional record ... and best non-divisional record in MAC games in the last 14 years ... but only 4 MAC East titles to show?

I don't think there is as much randomness as you're alluding to.

There is a common thread thru all of this .... and here's a hint ... no player had 14 years of eligibility.

Stop avoiding the obvious.

This coaching staff has proven their limitations year after year.

They'll get you 7-5 (5-3) from now until eternity ... but they will NEVER deliver a championship.

It just is NOT in their DNA. They are not built for the big stage.
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The Browns would love to have Frank’s record, every other NFL team would not.
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Frank coached the team to the 28-7 hole. And yes, he or Albin called the play that put Rourke in a position to be sacked in the end zone. Keep embracing 2nd in the MAC East every year because that is as good as it gets. That is a pretty exciting brand of football.
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Bshott44 is right, after 14 years this staff has shown us their best. It is usually 8-4 or 7-5 and 2/3 place in the East. Their best years (MACC games), I think, are behind them. I have said it before they just cannot recruit enough good players on O and D and get them on the field at the same time to win that magical MACC game. Year 15 will be more of the same...
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Is it random that Ohio lost at Akron last year with the East title on the line .... and then dropped then next at a sub-.500 Buffalo team?

Is it random Ohio lost in 2010 to Kent with East title on the line?

Is it random that Ohio lost all those November games in 2012 & 2013?

Is it random that Ohio lost to 2-win Texas State in their home opener in 2016?

Is it random that Ohio is the only school in the MAC to not win a title since 1972?

Is it random that Ohio has never won a MAC Player of the Year award in Solich era?

Is it random that Frank has been named coach of the year in the MAC once in his 14 years? And that was in 2006 (his second year)

Is it random that 11 different coaches have won a MAC title during the first 13 years of the Solich era? (and we're on the verge of a 12th in 14 years this year)

Is it random that Ohio has the 3rd most wins in the MAC since 2005 ... and zero titles to show for it?

Is it random that Ohio has played the second most games as a road favorite (38) than anyone else in the MAC ... and has the most losses (10) since the start of the Solich era?

Is it random that Ohio has the best non-conference winning percentage in the MAC since start of Solich era (54%) .... because they traditionally play the weakest non-conference schedule in the league? Stacking up wins vs. inferior opponents?

Is it random that Ohio has the best MAC East divisional record ... and best non-divisional record in MAC games in the last 14 years ... but only 4 MAC East titles to show?

I don't think there is as much randomness as you're alluding to.

There is a common thread thru all of this .... and here's a hint ... no player had 14 years of eligibility.

Stop avoiding the obvious.

This coaching staff has proven their limitations year after year.

They'll get you 7-5 (5-3) from now until eternity ... but they will NEVER deliver a championship.

It just is NOT in their DNA. They are not built for the big stage.
That was a truly impressive rant. How do you keep track of all those arcane (dare I say "random") stats?

Well, don't forget: Ohio has appeared in 4 MAC Championship games under Solich.

But they didn't win, you might say (in fact, you state this precisely: "zero titles to show for it").

Why not?

I don't know. Why don't we ask the Buffalo Bills (losers of 4 straight Super Bowls between 1991-94), or better yet the New England Patriots (losers in 3 of their last 5 Super Bowl appearances)?

Maybe because football is a zero-sum game, played with a pointy ball that takes unexpected (dare I say "random" again?) bounces, and the other team is trying to win?
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Is it random that Ohio has the best non-conference winning percentage in the MAC since start of Solich era (54%) .... because they traditionally play the weakest non-conference schedule in the league? Stacking up wins vs. inferior opponents?
In the past six seasons, Ohio has played non-conference road games against Virginia, Cincinnati, Purdue, Tennesee, Minnesota, Kentucky, and Louisville (all losses).
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They'll get you 7-5 (5-3) from now until eternity ... but they will NEVER deliver a championship.
In the 4 MACC years, the average record was 9-3 (6.5-1.5). A record of 8-4 (6-2) is still possible this season as is a MACC appearance (albeit with very slim odds after last night). The years in question are 2006, 2008, 2011 and 2016; Solich has consistently delivered a MACC appearance every 2-5 years (and so, we're due for another one soon).

Why not every year? I don't know, maybe players graduate? Maybe because the difference between 9-3 and 7-5 usually comes down to a couple of plays that either go your way or not?
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Is it random that Ohio has the best non-conference winning percentage in the MAC since start of Solich era (54%) .... because they traditionally play the weakest non-conference schedule in the league? Stacking up wins vs. inferior opponents?
In the past six seasons, Ohio has played non-conference road games agains Virginia, Cincinnati, Purdue, Tennesee, Minnesota, Kentucky, and Louisville (all losses).
Let me help you:
1 Money Game on the road against a P5 that's "down" but beatable
1 Home and Home with a mid-major/real low end P5 we "can" beat (Cincy, Marshall, etc.)
1 Home game against an FCS school
1 Home and Home with a mid-major we should beat.

Not hard to go at least .500 with this scheduling theory. If we were like every other MAC School, we'd have 2 road games against P5 schools to attempt to fix the budget problems we're having right now and in theory would put Frank below 500 no questions asked......with all due respect I don't see us taking non-league games to LSU, Alabama, Michigan, etc.....
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The Browns would love to have Frank’s record, every other NFL team would not.
I don’t know. The Browns had their own Coach Solich in the 80’s, Marty Schottenheimer. 3 losses in the AFC Championship Game. Great coach but just could not get the Browns past Elway and the Broncos.
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Mark, in my opinion, Marty was a GOOD coach. He would have been GREAT if he won some Championships. Same with FS. He has been a GOOD coach for Ohio but until he wins a MACC I would never consider him to be a GREAT one.
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Is it random that Ohio has the best non-conference winning percentage in the MAC since start of Solich era (54%) .... because they traditionally play the weakest non-conference schedule in the league? Stacking up wins vs. inferior opponents?
In the past six seasons, Ohio has played non-conference road games against Virginia, Cincinnati, Purdue, Tennesee, Minnesota, Kentucky, and Louisville (all losses).
You really want to go down this road?

Ok ... lets.

Past six seasons overall

2018 - Maybe their best in a long time. UC & UVa were strong games ... but offset by Howard & UMass. Non-conf SOS #52 ... 7th worst in MAC

2017 - Non-conf SOS #82 ... Two P5 schools ... if you count Kansas. Toss in Purdue, UMass & Hampton ... 4th worst in MAC

2016 - Non-conf SOS #111 ... Texas St (most embarrassing home loss in 14 yrs maybe) Tennessee, Kansas (alleged P5) & Gardner Webb ... 3rd worst in MAC

2015 - Idaho, Marshall, SE Louisiana to go with Minnesota. Non-conf SOS #91 ... 5th worst in MAC

2014 - Marshall, Idaho & Eastern Illinois to go with Kentucky. Non-conf SOS #110 ... 4th worst in MAC

2013 - Louisville joined North Texas, Austin Peay & Marshall. Not bad. Non-conf SOS #63 ... 7th worth in MAC

On average ... Non-conf SOS #85. In the bottom 3rd of the country ... and definitely in the bottom 3rd of the MAC.

Not exactly murderer's row. All part of the program philosophy ... ensure 7 wins, become bowl eligible. 2-2 out of league and 5-3 in the worst division in FBS.
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Why not every year? I don't know, maybe players graduate? Maybe because the difference between 9-3 and 7-5 usually comes down to a couple of plays that either go your way or not?
Hmmm? How on earth did NIU go to six straight title games with all those players graduating?!?! It's amazing, isn't it! A miracle!
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... or better yet the New England Patriots (losers in 3 of their last 5 Super Bowl appearances)?

Maybe because football is a zero-sum game, played with a pointy ball that takes unexpected (dare I say "random" again?) bounces, and the other team is trying to win?
I'm sure those 5 Super Bowl titles make it easier to swallow the three losses.

What do Ohio fans have to wash down the 4 MAC title game losses? Potato Bowl win?

You can argue all you want ... but when will one of those "random" bounces go Ohio's way? 14 years!

Akron, BG, UB, Toledo, WMU, CMU, NIU, Miami all got "randomly" lucky at least once in that time frame.

Ohio, Kent, EMU, and Ball State. The only four teams without a MAC title since Solich era began.

Is that really a foursome you'd like to be included in?
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Mark, in my opinion, Marty was a GOOD coach. He would have been GREAT if he won some Championships. Same with FS. He has been a GOOD coach for Ohio but until he wins a MACC I would never consider him to be a GREAT one.
I agree with you on that.
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They'll get you 7-5 (5-3) from now until eternity ... but they will NEVER deliver a championship.
In the 4 MACC years, the average record was 9-3 (6.5-1.5). A record of 8-4 (6-2) is still possible this season as is a MACC appearance (albeit with very slim odds after last night). The years in question are 2006, 2008, 2011 and 2016; Solich has consistently delivered a MACC appearance every 2-5 years (and so, we're due for another one soon).

Why not every year? I don't know, maybe players graduate? Maybe because the difference between 9-3 and 7-5 usually comes down to a couple of plays that either go your way or not?
A record of 8-4......I've never heard this one before.....
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... or better yet the New England Patriots (losers in 3 of their last 5 Super Bowl appearances)?

Maybe because football is a zero-sum game, played with a pointy ball that takes unexpected (dare I say "random" again?) bounces, and the other team is trying to win?

Ohio, Kent, EMU, and Ball State. The only four teams without a MAC title since Solich era began.

Is that really a foursome you'd like to be included in?
No, not its not. Remarkable actually.
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I hate to say it but there needs to be some kind of shake up in this team. I am still happy to have Solich end his career here. But I think we are at the point where we need at least 1 new coordinator. I don't care if its someone that will leave us in 3 years for a head coaching job. We need a breath of new life into this program to hopefully catch that 1 year of magic that other MAC teams seem generate but we can't.

I agree that having a consistent winning program is preferable to say the wilderness that Buffalo fans have endured. But there has to be something that can be done from a coaching standpoint that doesn't threaten that consistency but adds to the program.
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People always want to put the blame on someone but sometimes the reason things happen is just chance. It just so happened in the first half that Rourke slipped into that passing funk that has become less common where he isn't so accurate. Ragland was on the mark and his receivers didn't drop the ball. Everything Miami called seemed to be perfect with perfect execution. It was the opposite in the second half, other than one of the best kickers in the league missing a short field goal and Rourke trying to make a play and finding himself in the wrong spot. Those mistakes happen. They happened at just the wrong time. It sucks for Ohio but I don't think it's a lack of effort, a lack of preparation, a lack of ability. The randomness of sports make it fun a lot of the time but also frustrating.
Please.

Is it random that Ohio lost at Akron last year with the East title on the line .... and then dropped then next at a sub-.500 Buffalo team?

Is it random Ohio lost in 2010 to Kent with East title on the line?

Is it random that Ohio lost all those November games in 2012 & 2013?

Is it random that Ohio lost to 2-win Texas State in their home opener in 2016?

Is it random that Ohio is the only school in the MAC to not win a title since 1972?

Is it random that Ohio has never won a MAC Player of the Year award in Solich era?

Is it random that Frank has been named coach of the year in the MAC once in his 14 years? And that was in 2006 (his second year)

Is it random that 11 different coaches have won a MAC title during the first 13 years of the Solich era? (and we're on the verge of a 12th in 14 years this year)

Is it random that Ohio has the 3rd most wins in the MAC since 2005 ... and zero titles to show for it?

Is it random that Ohio has played the second most games as a road favorite (38) than anyone else in the MAC ... and has the most losses (10) since the start of the Solich era?

Is it random that Ohio has the best non-conference winning percentage in the MAC since start of Solich era (54%) .... because they traditionally play the weakest non-conference schedule in the league? Stacking up wins vs. inferior opponents?

Is it random that Ohio has the best MAC East divisional record ... and best non-divisional record in MAC games in the last 14 years ... but only 4 MAC East titles to show?

I don't think there is as much randomness as you're alluding to.

There is a common thread thru all of this .... and here's a hint ... no player had 14 years of eligibility.

Stop avoiding the obvious.

This coaching staff has proven their limitations year after year.

They'll get you 7-5 (5-3) from now until eternity ... but they will NEVER deliver a championship.

It just is NOT in their DNA. They are not built for the big stage.
I didn't say ALL. I said some. Some of the reason Ohio has lost certain games is mostly bad luck. I'm sure in every game coaches could have done something better, players could have done something better. In some games or situations, including some noted above, the coaches are completely to blame.

But there are times people do things exactly the way they are supposed to and they don't get the expected results. One of the major reasons Ohio lost to Miami was because the best quarterback in the MAC had a bad first half and a subpar game overall against a bad defense. It's no one's fault that he was off the mark. I'm not saying that's the only reason Ohio lost but it is a factor.
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Wash. Rinse Repeat. Some of you were foolish enough to not notice that Franktober was just a couple weeks late in 2018.
Correct take
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People always want to put the blame on someone but sometimes the reason things happen is just chance. It just so happened in the first half that Rourke slipped into that passing funk that has become less common where he isn't so accurate. Ragland was on the mark and his receivers didn't drop the ball. Everything Miami called seemed to be perfect with perfect execution. It was the opposite in the second half, other than one of the best kickers in the league missing a short field goal and Rourke trying to make a play and finding himself in the wrong spot. Those mistakes happen. They happened at just the wrong time. It sucks for Ohio but I don't think it's a lack of effort, a lack of preparation, a lack of ability. The randomness of sports make it fun a lot of the time but also frustrating.
Please.

Is it random that Ohio lost at Akron last year with the East title on the line .... and then dropped then next at a sub-.500 Buffalo team?

Is it random Ohio lost in 2010 to Kent with East title on the line?

Is it random that Ohio lost all those November games in 2012 & 2013?

Is it random that Ohio lost to 2-win Texas State in their home opener in 2016?

Is it random that Ohio is the only school in the MAC to not win a title since 1972?

Is it random that Ohio has never won a MAC Player of the Year award in Solich era?

Is it random that Frank has been named coach of the year in the MAC once in his 14 years? And that was in 2006 (his second year)

Is it random that 11 different coaches have won a MAC title during the first 13 years of the Solich era? (and we're on the verge of a 12th in 14 years this year)

Is it random that Ohio has the 3rd most wins in the MAC since 2005 ... and zero titles to show for it?

Is it random that Ohio has played the second most games as a road favorite (38) than anyone else in the MAC ... and has the most losses (10) since the start of the Solich era?

Is it random that Ohio has the best non-conference winning percentage in the MAC since start of Solich era (54%) .... because they traditionally play the weakest non-conference schedule in the league? Stacking up wins vs. inferior opponents?

Is it random that Ohio has the best MAC East divisional record ... and best non-divisional record in MAC games in the last 14 years ... but only 4 MAC East titles to show?

I don't think there is as much randomness as you're alluding to.

There is a common thread thru all of this .... and here's a hint ... no player had 14 years of eligibility.

Stop avoiding the obvious.

This coaching staff has proven their limitations year after year.

They'll get you 7-5 (5-3) from now until eternity ... but they will NEVER deliver a championship.

It just is NOT in their DNA. They are not built for the big stage.
Everyone in this message board is cool with going 8-4 and going to the Diddlyfuck Bowl against West Kansas Tech (11am kick, Espn + exclusive) every year. You are spitting into the wind
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People always want to put the blame on someone but sometimes the reason things happen is just chance. It just so happened in the first half that Rourke slipped into that passing funk that has become less common where he isn't so accurate. Ragland was on the mark and his receivers didn't drop the ball. Everything Miami called seemed to be perfect with perfect execution. It was the opposite in the second half, other than one of the best kickers in the league missing a short field goal and Rourke trying to make a play and finding himself in the wrong spot. Those mistakes happen. They happened at just the wrong time. It sucks for Ohio but I don't think it's a lack of effort, a lack of preparation, a lack of ability. The randomness of sports make it fun a lot of the time but also frustrating.
Please.

Is it random that Ohio lost at Akron last year with the East title on the line .... and then dropped then next at a sub-.500 Buffalo team?

Is it random Ohio lost in 2010 to Kent with East title on the line?

Is it random that Ohio lost all those November games in 2012 & 2013?

Is it random that Ohio lost to 2-win Texas State in their home opener in 2016?

Is it random that Ohio is the only school in the MAC to not win a title since 1972?

Is it random that Ohio has never won a MAC Player of the Year award in Solich era?

Is it random that Frank has been named coach of the year in the MAC once in his 14 years? And that was in 2006 (his second year)

Is it random that 11 different coaches have won a MAC title during the first 13 years of the Solich era? (and we're on the verge of a 12th in 14 years this year)

Is it random that Ohio has the 3rd most wins in the MAC since 2005 ... and zero titles to show for it?

Is it random that Ohio has played the second most games as a road favorite (38) than anyone else in the MAC ... and has the most losses (10) since the start of the Solich era?

Is it random that Ohio has the best non-conference winning percentage in the MAC since start of Solich era (54%) .... because they traditionally play the weakest non-conference schedule in the league? Stacking up wins vs. inferior opponents?

Is it random that Ohio has the best MAC East divisional record ... and best non-divisional record in MAC games in the last 14 years ... but only 4 MAC East titles to show?

I don't think there is as much randomness as you're alluding to.

There is a common thread thru all of this .... and here's a hint ... no player had 14 years of eligibility.

Stop avoiding the obvious.

This coaching staff has proven their limitations year after year.

They'll get you 7-5 (5-3) from now until eternity ... but they will NEVER deliver a championship.

It just is NOT in their DNA. They are not built for the big stage.
I didn't say ALL. I said some. Some of the reason Ohio has lost certain games is mostly bad luck. I'm sure in every game coaches could have done something better, players could have done something better. In some games or situations, including some noted above, the coaches are completely to blame.

But there are times people do things exactly the way they are supposed to and they don't get the expected results. One of the major reasons Ohio lost to Miami was because the best quarterback in the MAC had a bad first half and a subpar game overall against a bad defense. It's no one's fault that he was off the mark. I'm not saying that's the only reason Ohio lost but it is a factor.
It's no one's fault? Rourke started 1-7 ... but that's just bad luck? Had nothing to do with Rourke being bad early or poor play calling to start the game? Just dumb bad luck?

C'mon. There has to be accountability. You're playing a team with 7 regulars out on defense and you can't figure out how to move the ball effectively? That's no one's fault?

14. Years. At some point you can't just shrug your shoulders anymore.

Whether it's the players or coaches, that was not just a tough luck loss. Outplayed in 1H and outcoached. Not bad luck.

Same thing every year.
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People always want to put the blame on someone but sometimes the reason things happen is just chance. It just so happened in the first half that Rourke slipped into that passing funk that has become less common where he isn't so accurate. Ragland was on the mark and his receivers didn't drop the ball. Everything Miami called seemed to be perfect with perfect execution. It was the opposite in the second half, other than one of the best kickers in the league missing a short field goal and Rourke trying to make a play and finding himself in the wrong spot. Those mistakes happen. They happened at just the wrong time. It sucks for Ohio but I don't think it's a lack of effort, a lack of preparation, a lack of ability. The randomness of sports make it fun a lot of the time but also frustrating.
Please.

Is it random that Ohio lost at Akron last year with the East title on the line .... and then dropped then next at a sub-.500 Buffalo team?

Is it random Ohio lost in 2010 to Kent with East title on the line?

Is it random that Ohio lost all those November games in 2012 & 2013?

Is it random that Ohio lost to 2-win Texas State in their home opener in 2016?

Is it random that Ohio is the only school in the MAC to not win a title since 1972?

Is it random that Ohio has never won a MAC Player of the Year award in Solich era?

Is it random that Frank has been named coach of the year in the MAC once in his 14 years? And that was in 2006 (his second year)

Is it random that 11 different coaches have won a MAC title during the first 13 years of the Solich era? (and we're on the verge of a 12th in 14 years this year)

Is it random that Ohio has the 3rd most wins in the MAC since 2005 ... and zero titles to show for it?

Is it random that Ohio has played the second most games as a road favorite (38) than anyone else in the MAC ... and has the most losses (10) since the start of the Solich era?

Is it random that Ohio has the best non-conference winning percentage in the MAC since start of Solich era (54%) .... because they traditionally play the weakest non-conference schedule in the league? Stacking up wins vs. inferior opponents?

Is it random that Ohio has the best MAC East divisional record ... and best non-divisional record in MAC games in the last 14 years ... but only 4 MAC East titles to show?

I don't think there is as much randomness as you're alluding to.

There is a common thread thru all of this .... and here's a hint ... no player had 14 years of eligibility.

Stop avoiding the obvious.

This coaching staff has proven their limitations year after year.

They'll get you 7-5 (5-3) from now until eternity ... but they will NEVER deliver a championship.

It just is NOT in their DNA. They are not built for the big stage.
Everyone in this message board is cool with going 8-4 and going to the Diddlyfuck Bowl against West Kansas Tech (11am kick, Espn + exclusive) every year. You are spitting into the wind
Lol, bowl eligible, here are the bowl predictions, oh yeahhhh
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