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BillyTheCat
10/31/2018 11:50 AM
New Richmond High School is another turf field where the administration did not spend the money to put the hash marks on their field, simple conversation when I spoke with the Superintendent. They simply did not have the extra cash back when they installed the turf 10 years ago.
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rpbobcat
10/31/2018 12:41 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
New Richmond High School is another turf field where the administration did not spend the money to put the hash marks on their field, simple conversation when I spoke with the Superintendent. They simply did not have the extra cash back when they installed the turf 10 years ago.
That's surprising.

I went back and looked at the contracts for the last 4 turf projects we did.

None of them had a charge for the inlaid football or soccer markings.

The purchase orders labeled them as "donated".

The cost for each field constructed from "scratch" was over $525,000.00.

The cost for each field that involved removing and replacing exiting turf was over $350,000.00.

The turf itself was able to be purchased directly through purchasing cooperatives.The cost of turf itself,including infill,is included in the above costs.

We did have to pay for custom midfield logos.

They cost between $9,000.00 and $10,000.00

That comes out to between 2% and 3% of the project's cost.

I would assume that,if you had to pay for permanent markings,they'd be in that range,especially since a significant portion of the markings are now factory installed.

Based on the overall projects' costs,it would seem cost effective to "bite the bullet" and include permanent markings,especially when you take into account the labor and material costs to install temporary markings,given a 12 year+ useful life, for synthetic turf.
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UpSan Bobcat
10/31/2018 12:45 PM
How much is the typical maintenance cost of a grass field over the 12 or so years of lifespan of a turf field?
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BillyTheCat
10/31/2018 12:56 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
New Richmond High School is another turf field where the administration did not spend the money to put the hash marks on their field, simple conversation when I spoke with the Superintendent. They simply did not have the extra cash back when they installed the turf 10 years ago.
That's surprising.

I went back and looked at the contracts for the last 4 turf projects we did.

None of them had a charge for the inlaid football or soccer markings.

The purchase orders labeled them as "donated".

The cost for each field constructed from "scratch" was over $525,000.00.

The cost for each field that involved removing and replacing exiting turf was over $350,000.00.

The turf itself was able to be purchased directly through purchasing cooperatives.The cost of turf itself,including infill,is included in the above costs.

We did have to pay for custom midfield logos.

They cost between $9,000.00 and $10,000.00

That comes out to between 2% and 3% of the project's cost.

I would assume that,if you had to pay for permanent markings,they'd be in that range,especially since a significant portion of the markings are now factory installed.

Based on the overall projects' costs,it would seem cost effective to "bite the bullet" and include permanent markings,especially when you take into account the labor and material costs to install temporary markings,given a 12 year+ useful life, for synthetic turf.
I do not disagree with you that "it would seem cost effective to bite the bullet", however 10-12 years ago some were not able to bite that bullet. In DeSales case they replaced their's last summer and installed a complete field. Many DIII schools who play everything on their fields go all out with every type of line you can imagine, Field Hockey, Lax, Football. I have even seen bases laid out for bad weather practices, softball on one end zone and baseball out of the other endzone.
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rpbobcat
10/31/2018 1:04 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
How much is the typical maintenance cost of a grass field over the 12 or so years of lifespan of a turf field?
Depends where you are.
For estimating purposes, we figure the payback time for synthetic turf vs.natural turf,including an average amount of irrigation,at 5 years.
The Synthetic Turf industry uses between 3 years and 5 years.
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Robert Fox
10/31/2018 1:50 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
How much is the typical maintenance cost of a grass field over the 12 or so years of lifespan of a turf field?
Depends where you are.
For estimating purposes, we figure the payback time for synthetic turf vs.natural turf,including an average amount of irrigation,at 5 years.
The Synthetic Turf industry uses between 3 years and 5 years.
One potential issue with that is how the existing natural turf maintenance is being paid for. Case in point, my local high school field is maintained by the coaches--"voluntarily." Meaning the school does not see much of that cost (none of the labor cost). So a payback formula is dependent upon how the school currently absorbs maintenance costs.

I agree it is cost effective to go synthetic. Just wanted to point out that variance in cost accounting.
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rpbobcat
10/31/2018 3:33 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
One potential issue with that is how the existing natural turf maintenance is being paid for. Case in point, my local high school field is maintained by the coaches--"voluntarily." Meaning the school does not see much of that cost (none of the labor cost). So a payback formula is dependent upon how the school currently absorbs maintenance costs.

I agree it is cost effective to go synthetic. Just wanted to point out that variance in cost accounting.
That's great that they can keep up with that.
Mowing,fertilizing,raking takes a lot of work and time.

We have enough trouble getting coaches to rake around the bases before/after a game.
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Robert Fox
10/31/2018 3:54 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
One potential issue with that is how the existing natural turf maintenance is being paid for. Case in point, my local high school field is maintained by the coaches--"voluntarily." Meaning the school does not see much of that cost (none of the labor cost). So a payback formula is dependent upon how the school currently absorbs maintenance costs.

I agree it is cost effective to go synthetic. Just wanted to point out that variance in cost accounting.
That's great that they can keep up with that.
Mowing,fertilizing,raking takes a lot of work and time.

We have enough trouble getting coaches to rake around the bases before/after a game.
Actually, it's not great. It's a pain in the arse. But it's the price you pay for coaching.
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