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bshot44
11/10/2018 12:12 AM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
It baffles me when I see these kind of posts when Ohio is still ALIVE for a MACC. No, Ohio does not control its own destiny any longer and is now facing an uphill battle. However, this team has NOT been eliminated from anything. If Ohio is eliminated and you want to complain, then do so. But to complain about it before its even a certainty is foolish, because those same people are the first to jump back on the bandwagon if things turn for the better and act like their negativity and pessimism is excusable. Come on man...
Really?

Ohio needs to beat Buffalo & Akron
Buffalo needs to lose to Ohio & Bowling Green
Miami needs to lose to either NIU or Ball State.

Yep. Those seem like totally realistic scenarios.

Ok ... everyone, just be quiet.

I mean ... c'mon ... all Ohio has to do was beat Akron in 2017 to win MAC East ... what could possibly go wrong!?
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Bobcat1996
11/10/2018 8:53 PM
Any chance bshot44 is Monroe or a distant relative? Constantly complaining about the Bobcats is something you love to do. Keep the negative vibes coming! Maybe you can fork out a bunch of cash to buy out Frank at the end of the season and when the Bobcat basketball doesn't meet your expectations, give Ohio's AD and president a call and convince them to dismiss Saul. While you are at it, please donate to the fund to dismiss all other coaches who are failing to meet your expectations at this university. You evidently are aware of the other Ohio programs that are struggling and need a change. I am sure that the powers that be will listen to you.
Last Edited: 11/10/2018 9:11:24 PM by Bobcat1996
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Bobcat1996
11/10/2018 9:34 PM
It is because of bshot44 and a few others that I refrain from posting on this website on a regular basis. The negative comments are something I prefer not to read. I couldn't help myself this time and will more than likely refrain from posting in the near future, but give it a break!! Do you people really think that these players and coaches aren't sick about the close losses they have to NI, Cincy and Miami this season. Do you think Frank and his staff aren't staying up at night wondering what went wrong in those close defeats ? I guess you think the Bobcats lose games on purpose? The athletes and staff work day and night and put in countless numbers of hours to get positive results. Unfortunately they don't always win, but I rarely fault their effort. The same goes for all Bobcat athletic programs. Like all other alums and fans, I would enjoy seeing Ohio win every event they compete in, but that isn't happening. This school is not Alabama/Clemson in football or Duke/Kansas in basketball. Am I disappointed when Bobcat athletic programs lose? Sure. However, I am certain that my disappointment is a fraction of a percent compared to what the Ohio athletes and coaches feel after a loss.
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OhioCatFan
11/10/2018 9:42 PM
Good points Bobcat1996!
Last Edited: 11/10/2018 9:42:54 PM by OhioCatFan
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bobcatsquared
11/10/2018 9:48 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
However, I am certain that my disappointment is a fraction of a percent compared to what the Ohio athletes and coaches feel after a loss.
What fraction of what percent? Without knowing, your disappointment could be huge or minimal.

Seriously, though, this is a message board and the naysayers, including bshot44, are no worse than those that see everything as being perfectly fine in Bobcat land, like bcat2.
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Sam bobcat
11/11/2018 7:27 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
However, I am certain that my disappointment is a fraction of a percent compared to what the Ohio athletes and coaches feel after a loss.
What fraction of what percent? Without knowing, your disappointment could be huge or minimal.

Seriously, though, this is a message board and the naysayers, including bshot44, are no worse than those that see everything as being perfectly fine in Bobcat land, like bcat2.
Eh... I disagree. Constant optimism trumps constant negativity. But I like the diversity.
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bobcatsquared
11/11/2018 7:41 AM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
Constant optimism trumps constant negativity.
Maybe. But which one is rooted closer to reality?
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The Optimist
11/11/2018 8:26 AM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
Technically Ohio is still not out of the MACC race. If Ohio can win the next two and Buffalo drops its final two games the Bobcats win the East. Ohio just doesn't control its own destiny at this point.
That's a nice thought but it's over.
The players can't tell themselves that when however slim they still have a mathematical chance of winning the East.
Yeah ... same position they're in as last year after Akron loss

"We can still win the East if we beat Buffalo and Akron loses to Kent"

Ohio comes out and lays another egg at Buffalo.

Hmmmmmm.

Guessing that Ohio gets buried vs. Buffalo next week agaqin.
Buffalo would have to lose to Bowling Green...
See below
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Bcat2
11/11/2018 8:31 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
However, I am certain that my disappointment is a fraction of a percent compared to what the Ohio athletes and coaches feel after a loss.
What fraction of what percent? Without knowing, your disappointment could be huge or minimal.

Seriously, though, this is a message board and the naysayers, including bshot44, are no worse than those that see everything as being perfectly fine in Bobcat land, like bcat2.
"perfect" no, "fine" ok I could can agree on that. I do find myself taking up for the team (players and coaches) when I feel they are unfairly shamed. Ohio has a program the school can be proud of, that is respected throughout the MAC. Last season they did not get the trophy, but, managed to beat the team that did. They represent well. This year the team has taken some tough losses, still, in those losses the opponents had a contest well won and the Bobcats, in my opinion, could leave the field heads held high. They owe me nothing more. This season after ten games MAC stats reflect Ohio #1 in Scoring Offense, Total Offense, Rushing Offense, Pass Efficiency, Punting, PAT Kicking, First Downs, Turn Over Margin, Time of Possession and Third Down Conversions. They are #2 in Rushing Defense, KO Returns, Interceptions and Penalties. Yes, put me down as a proud fan and supporter of Bobcat Football. I would put my expectations down as realistic and understanding what the players do on our behalf am grateful for what they are achieving.
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TWT
11/11/2018 9:33 AM
With the offensive numbers Ohio is putting up combined with having a marquee coach that has 100 wins at the school losing a couple of games by 2 points doesn't exactly make ones seat warm. He rebuilt the program from the 2013-2014 swoon which is when a lot of the negativity on the board started pouring in.
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Sam bobcat
11/11/2018 6:24 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Constant optimism trumps constant negativity.
Maybe. But which one is rooted closer to reality?
Another matter of opinion. I’m inclined to say the optimism given the big picture. I’m guessing you would say the negative. I guess it depends on your expectations and outlook.
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bobcatsquared
11/11/2018 6:53 PM
There's a lot of success on the field, both individually and collectively, to be optimistic about. Then I consider the competition provided by Ohio's schedule and I temper that optimism.
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Sam bobcat
11/11/2018 10:00 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
There's a lot of success on the field, both individually and collectively, to be optimistic about. Then I consider the competition provided by Ohio's schedule and I temper that optimism.
Wow, hell of a cop out. Lol
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OhioBobcat
11/11/2018 10:46 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
It baffles me when I see these kind of posts when Ohio is still ALIVE for a MACC. No, Ohio does not control its own destiny any longer and is now facing an uphill battle. However, this team has NOT been eliminated from anything. If Ohio is eliminated and you want to complain, then do so. But to complain about it before its even a certainty is foolish, because those same people are the first to jump back on the bandwagon if things turn for the better and act like their negativity and pessimism is excusable. Come on man...
Really?

Ohio needs to beat Buffalo & Akron
Buffalo needs to lose to Ohio & Bowling Green
Miami needs to lose to either NIU or Ball State.

Yep. Those seem like totally realistic scenarios.
First off, Ohio could very well beat Buffalo. When was the last time Buffalo won a meaningful game in Athens???....Tick, tock, tick, tock....I'm waiting.....which is exactly my point. Peden Stadium has been a house of horrors for UB and Ohio has easily won the last several games played in the series in Athens. To me, this game for Buffalo reminds me of those recent Temple teams when they were in the MAC that needed a win late in the year in Athens to lock up a trip to Detroit and they couldn't do it. Second, Ohio will beat Akron, period. Third, Miami will lose to NIU. So there's those scenarios. The most unlikely outcome IMO would be for BG to beat UB. That said, it's no gimme. If UB loses to OU and heads to BG for a road game with huge pressure on them to win vs a team that has nothing whatsoever to lose, stranger things have happened. All of which goes back to my original comment, which is, Ohio is still 100% alive for the MACC. I'm not saying OU "will" be in Detroit, I'm simply saying OU is still "alive" - which is a FACT - and still could end up in Detroit. If Ohio loses Wednesday night, then feel free to complain all you want because it will be official. But until then, come on man.
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bshot44
11/12/2018 10:31 AM
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Any chance bshot44 is Monroe or a distant relative? Constantly complaining about the Bobcats is something you love to do. Keep the negative vibes coming! Maybe you can fork out a bunch of cash to buy out Frank at the end of the season and when the Bobcat basketball doesn't meet your expectations, give Ohio's AD and president a call and convince them to dismiss Saul. While you are at it, please donate to the fund to dismiss all other coaches who are failing to meet your expectations at this university. You evidently are aware of the other Ohio programs that are struggling and need a change. I am sure that the powers that be will listen to you. [/QUOTE]Posts like this just make me laugh. I've had this "argument" about 10000 times on here ... my constant "complaining" is rooted in fact nearly 99% of the time. What comments, or complaints as you so eloquently describe them, are not factually accurate?

And PLEASE ... find me one instance where I say Frank should be fired?!?!?! PLEASE QUIT WITH THIS NARRATIVE!!!! I have said NOTHING of the sort. If anything, I've said Frank should not be fired. I'm not going down this road again. You are literally just making up stuff to fit you angry narrative of people not being 100% rah-rah over the 'Cats.


It is because of bshot44 and a few others that I refrain from posting on this website on a regular basis. The negative comments are something I prefer not to read. I couldn't help myself this time and will more than likely refrain from posting in the near future, but give it a break!! Do you people really think that these players and coaches aren't sick about the close losses they have to NI, Cincy and Miami this season. Do you think Frank and his staff aren't staying up at night wondering what went wrong in those close defeats ? I guess you think the Bobcats lose games on purpose? The athletes and staff work day and night and put in countless numbers of hours to get positive results. Unfortunately they don't always win, but I rarely fault their effort. The same goes for all Bobcat athletic programs. Like all other alums and fans, I would enjoy seeing Ohio win every event they compete in, but that isn't happening. This school is not Alabama/Clemson in football or Duke/Kansas in basketball. Am I disappointed when Bobcat athletic programs lose? Sure. However, I am certain that my disappointment is a fraction of a percent compared to what the Ohio athletes and coaches feel after a loss.
Sorry to deprive everyone of your commentary. I take full responsiblity for driving you away. For that, I sincerly apologize.

Whatever. That's just ridiculous. It's a freakin' message board. Ignore the comments if you don't like them. It's not hard.

Have I ever insinuated that Ohio is losing on purpose?!?! What a ridiculous claim.

Did I ever say Ohio should be Alabama/Clemson .... or Duke/Kansas. You are just make absurd claim after absurd claim.

Do I think Ohio should be better than a 7-5 (5-3) MAC East program? Hell yes. Is it disappointing when that's what we traditionally get? Hell yes.

Do you get completely bent out of shape when someone on here points out the shortcomings? Hell yes. Welcome to reality. This program underachieves. After 14 years, do you not think Ohio should have more than 4 MAC East titles to their claim? Oh wait, that's just me "demanding" more. HA!

Yes, I think players/coaches are sick about the close losses! I sure as hell hope they are! They are about 3-5 plays this year from being 9-1 (6-0). But that's the problem ... we say that every year!!! When will we quit saying that? When will this program finally get over the hump and make those plays to win the big games? To finally become the dominant team in the MAC East that wins the division more than once every few years? And if the players/coaches are sick about it ... then why can't fans be too? Such a double-standard! I can't mention it? C'mon! Grow up and live in reality. I'm not making up the results and just ignoring them or not mentioning them doesn't change them. Good grief.

"perfect" no, "fine" ok I could can agree on that. I do find myself taking up for the team (players and coaches) when I feel they are unfairly shamed. Ohio has a program the school can be proud of, that is respected throughout the MAC. Last season they did not get the trophy, but, managed to beat the team that did. They represent well. This year the team has taken some tough losses, still, in those losses the opponents had a contest well won and the Bobcats, in my opinion, could leave the field heads held high. They owe me nothing more. This season after ten games MAC stats reflect Ohio #1 in Scoring Offense, Total Offense, Rushing Offense, Pass Efficiency, Punting, PAT Kicking, First Downs, Turn Over Margin, Time of Possession and Third Down Conversions. They are #2 in Rushing Defense, KO Returns, Interceptions and Penalties. Yes, put me down as a proud fan and supporter of Bobcat Football. I would put my expectations down as realistic and understanding what the players do on our behalf am grateful for what they are achieving.
All those stats are great. But ultimately it's led to a 6-4 (4-2) record and once again keeping their fingers crossed for a near miracle to get to Detroit.

You think my expectations aren't realistic? That's laughable! I'm not asking this program to go all UCF on us and rip off 27 straight wins and go to the Peach Bowl.

All I "expect" them to do is win a MAC title ONCE IN 50 YEARS?!?! That is unreal?

I think we're past the notion of celebrating moral victories ... and record-breaking stats. Hell, Frank Solich himself has said this. Why is it when it comes from someone's keyboard on this message board, it's blasphemy?

The program owes nobody anything! Quit with that narrative, PLEASE! I don't know why you keep coming back to the "demand" and "what they owe us". Who thinks the program owes them anything? I've never heard anyone say "Ohio football OWES me a MAC title!" It's an absurd claim. There is a HUGE difference in claiming they "owe you something" and being disappointed they don't reach their own expectations of being a championship program.

[QUOTE=OhioBobcat] First off, Ohio could very well beat Buffalo. When was the last time Buffalo won a meaningful game in Athens???....Tick, tock, tick, tock....I'm waiting.....which is exactly my point. Peden Stadium has been a house of horrors for UB and Ohio has easily won the last several games played in the series in Athens. To me, this game for Buffalo reminds me of those recent Temple teams when they were in the MAC that needed a win late in the year in Athens to lock up a trip to Detroit and they couldn't do it. Second, Ohio will beat Akron, period. Third, Miami will lose to NIU. So there's those scenarios. The most unlikely outcome IMO would be for BG to beat UB. That said, it's no gimme. If UB loses to OU and heads to BG for a road game with huge pressure on them to win vs a team that has nothing whatsoever to lose, stranger things have happened. All of which goes back to my original comment, which is, Ohio is still 100% alive for the MACC. I'm not saying OU "will" be in Detroit, I'm simply saying OU is still "alive" - which is a FACT - and still could end up in Detroit. If Ohio loses Wednesday night, then feel free to complain all you want because it will be official. But until then, come on man.
Great! Ohio beats Buffalo this week. That would be awesome. Just like when Ohio dumped Toledo last year. A great win! And did either of those games win them a MAC title? Ummm ... I'm waiting ... tick , tock, tick, tock.

Ohio will beat Akron, period? Really? Let's reminisce about the last few games vs Akron

• 2017: Big fat ugly loss at Akron
• 2016: 9-3 struggle vs. Akron and a WR playing QB. They had to defend a 4th down pass in the endzone in the final minute to win.
• 2015: Held on for dear life to get a 14-12 win at Akron
• 2014: FG in last 2 mins for 23-20 win at Peden

Yeah ... Ohio is 3-1 vs. Akron in those four games, but NONE of them came easy. Ohio was 11-2 vs. Miami and had won five straight and we saw how that turned out?

Yes ... Akron is trash right now (and pretty much this year with the exception of that inexplicable win at Northwestern). But Ohio lost to them when they played a backup QB last year ... and nearly lost to them two years ago with a WR playing QB.

I find it hard to be 1000% sure Ohio will win that game.

Should they ... hell yes. But we've all seen plenty of games Ohio "should have won"

Here's the bottom line.

There are a lot of people that get bent out of shape when people bring up the reality around this program. They spin comments to make those people look like pitchfork-carrying lunatics calling for the head of Frank Solich.

Couldn't be furter from the truth.

You may want to ignore the ugly truth ... or bury it deep down inside. But the truth is the truth. You can run and hide from it all you want.

Or choose to blast those that bring it up on a .... GASP!!!! .... a message board!

I think my expectations are very realistic. I think my comments are rooted in fact.

But maybe I'm wrong? Maybe Ohio has won multiple MAC titles ... and they did beat UC and NIU .... and then did win a sixth straight against Miami ... and they are playing UB on Wednesday for all the marbles in the MAC East.
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BobcatPride
11/13/2018 10:35 AM
I think bshot44 makes some good points here. Long-time Bobcat fans having somewhat-high expectations of the football program is not an absurd concept.
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