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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:11 AM
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We don’t “lose” many coaches from our staff- some on here don’t like that fact, but a couple may lose their new jobs because of recent firings. With changes at Kansas and Texas State, those ex-Ohio assistant coaches are probably out as well. Colorado State May be next. Can anyone think of other coaches who have left?
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:52 PM
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
We don’t “lose” many coaches from our staff- some on here don’t like that fact, but a couple may lose their new jobs because of recent firings. With changes at Kansas and Texas State, those ex-Ohio assistant coaches are probably out as well. Colorado State May be next. Can anyone think of other coaches who have left?
Have to wonder about the wisdom of some of those coaches making moves. Williams going to Kansas was a head-scratcher. You had to know that they'd be making a change within a year or two.

It's a tough business. Have to take the jobs you can get, but certainly must give guys some pause when they hitch their wagons to a head coach on the hot seat.

If Derek Mason loses to Tennessee, that could be a job to watch. There are a couple of Ohio assistants with him down there as well.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:21 PM
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We don’t “lose” many coaches from our staff- some on here don’t like that fact, but a couple may lose their new jobs because of recent firings. With changes at Kansas and Texas State, those ex-Ohio assistant coaches are probably out as well. Colorado State May be next. Can anyone think of other coaches who have left?
Have to wonder about the wisdom of some of those coaches making moves. Williams going to Kansas was a head-scratcher. You had to know that they'd be making a change within a year or two.

It's a tough business. Have to take the jobs you can get, but certainly must give guys some pause when they hitch their wagons to a head coach on the hot seat.

If Derek Mason loses to Tennessee, that could be a job to watch. There are a couple of Ohio assistants with him down there as well.
I’m
Guessing they make more at Kansas in 1 year than 2 here so maybe Jesse has 2 or 3 years to find a job which I think he should do. I like that guy.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 3:21 PM
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catfan28 wrote:expand_more
We don’t “lose” many coaches from our staff- some on here don’t like that fact, but a couple may lose their new jobs because of recent firings. With changes at Kansas and Texas State, those ex-Ohio assistant coaches are probably out as well. Colorado State May be next. Can anyone think of other coaches who have left?
Have to wonder about the wisdom of some of those coaches making moves. Williams going to Kansas was a head-scratcher. You had to know that they'd be making a change within a year or two.

It's a tough business. Have to take the jobs you can get, but certainly must give guys some pause when they hitch their wagons to a head coach on the hot seat.

If Derek Mason loses to Tennessee, that could be a job to watch. There are a couple of Ohio assistants with him down there as well.
Williams more than doubled his salary, got 3 or 4 years in. Easy to figure why he left. How far you want to go back? We have lots of assistants doing well.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 6:00 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
We don’t “lose” many coaches from our staff- some on here don’t like that fact, but a couple may lose their new jobs because of recent firings. With changes at Kansas and Texas State, those ex-Ohio assistant coaches are probably out as well. Colorado State May be next. Can anyone think of other coaches who have left?
Have to wonder about the wisdom of some of those coaches making moves. Williams going to Kansas was a head-scratcher. You had to know that they'd be making a change within a year or two.

It's a tough business. Have to take the jobs you can get, but certainly must give guys some pause when they hitch their wagons to a head coach on the hot seat.

If Derek Mason loses to Tennessee, that could be a job to watch. There are a couple of Ohio assistants with him down there as well.
Williams more than doubled his salary, got 3 or 4 years in. Easy to figure why he left. How far you want to go back? We have lots of assistants doing well.
He’s been there 2 years.
Name a few others please. Another long time poster mentioned Carl Pelini as well
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Posted: 11/21/2018 6:27 PM
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
We don’t “lose” many coaches from our staff- some on here don’t like that fact, but a couple may lose their new jobs because of recent firings. With changes at Kansas and Texas State, those ex-Ohio assistant coaches are probably out as well. Colorado State May be next. Can anyone think of other coaches who have left?
Have to wonder about the wisdom of some of those coaches making moves. Williams going to Kansas was a head-scratcher. You had to know that they'd be making a change within a year or two.

It's a tough business. Have to take the jobs you can get, but certainly must give guys some pause when they hitch their wagons to a head coach on the hot seat.

If Derek Mason loses to Tennessee, that could be a job to watch. There are a couple of Ohio assistants with him down there as well.
Williams more than doubled his salary, got 3 or 4 years in. Easy to figure why he left. How far you want to go back? We have lots of assistants doing well.
He’s been there 2 years.
Name a few others please. Another long time poster mentioned Carl Pelini as well
Eric Washington DC for Carolina Panthers, Steve Russ is LB coach for the Panthers,

Troy Calhoun HC at Air Force, Brian Knorr LB coach, Steed Lobotzke OL

Nick Toth III is at UCF special Teams Coach

Tim Deriyter DC at Cal

Mike Sullivan QB coach Denver Broncos

Tim Kish is LB coach at Oklahoma

I could keep going, but I’m bored.



And in his time at Kansas his salary was money he’d have to work years to see here in Athens. Don’t blame him a bit for leaving.
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
We don’t “lose” many coaches from our staff- some on here don’t like that fact, but a couple may lose their new jobs because of recent firings. With changes at Kansas and Texas State, those ex-Ohio assistant coaches are probably out as well. Colorado State May be next. Can anyone think of other coaches who have left?
Have to wonder about the wisdom of some of those coaches making moves. Williams going to Kansas was a head-scratcher. You had to know that they'd be making a change within a year or two.

It's a tough business. Have to take the jobs you can get, but certainly must give guys some pause when they hitch their wagons to a head coach on the hot seat.

If Derek Mason loses to Tennessee, that could be a job to watch. There are a couple of Ohio assistants with him down there as well.
Williams more than doubled his salary, got 3 or 4 years in. Easy to figure why he left. How far you want to go back? We have lots of assistants doing well.
He’s been there 2 years.
Name a few others please. Another long time poster mentioned Carl Pelini as well
Eric Washington DC for Carolina Panthers, Steve Russ is LB coach for the Panthers,

Troy Calhoun HC at Air Force, Brian Knorr LB coach, Steed Lobotzke OL

Nick Toth III is at UCF special Teams Coach

Tim Deriyter DC at Cal

Mike Sullivan QB coach Denver Broncos

Tim Kish is LB coach at Oklahoma

I could keep going, but I’m bored.



And in his time at Kansas his salary was money he’d have to work years to see here in Athens. Don’t blame him a bit for leaving.

Tim DeRuyter is a semi-finalist for the Broyles award for top assistant coach.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 7:17 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I could keep going, but I’m bored.
Man, where would this board be without you, BTC? I can't fathom the lack of knowledge I know I would have.
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I could keep going, but I’m bored.
Man, where would this board be without you, BTC? I can't fathom the lack of knowledge I know I would have.
Forgive me for answering a question of a poster and not really putting the time in to keep going back. We have several coaches who recently got out and have been let go at other schools. Tough gig.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:07 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
We don’t “lose” many coaches from our staff- some on here don’t like that fact, but a couple may lose their new jobs because of recent firings. With changes at Kansas and Texas State, those ex-Ohio assistant coaches are probably out as well. Colorado State May be next. Can anyone think of other coaches who have left?
Have to wonder about the wisdom of some of those coaches making moves. Williams going to Kansas was a head-scratcher. You had to know that they'd be making a change within a year or two.

It's a tough business. Have to take the jobs you can get, but certainly must give guys some pause when they hitch their wagons to a head coach on the hot seat.

If Derek Mason loses to Tennessee, that could be a job to watch. There are a couple of Ohio assistants with him down there as well.
Williams more than doubled his salary, got 3 or 4 years in. Easy to figure why he left. How far you want to go back? We have lots of assistants doing well.
He’s been there 2 years.
Name a few others please. Another longg time poster mentioned Carl Pelini as well
Eric Washington DC for Carolina Panthers, Steve Russ is LB coach for the Panthers,

Troy Calhoun HC at Air Force, Brian Knorr LB coach, Steed Lobotzke OL

Nick Toth III is at UCF special Teams Coach

Tim Deriyter DC at Cal

Mike Sullivan QB coach Denver Broncos

Tim Kish is LB coach at Oklahoma

I could keep going, but I’m bored.

I was kind of thinking more recently than some of those, but thanks for the history lesson.


And in his time at Kansas his salary was money he’d have to work years to see here in Athens. Don’t blame him a bit for leaving.
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The Browns' OL coach who doesn't believe in stretching was our OC once upon a time.
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The Browns' OL coach who doesn't believe in stretching was our OC once upon a time.
Bob Wyile, was with Cleve, interesting person.
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Posted: 11/22/2018 11:29 AM
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Williams more than doubled his salary, got 3 or 4 years in. Easy to figure why he left. How far you want to go back? We have lots of assistants doing well.
I guess it ultimately comes down to risk tolerance - and likely why I could have never been a college football coach.

Say someone came to you with these two options (salary is hypothetical, but probably in the ballpark of the choice Williams faced):

1. Remain in your current position making $80k a year and have pretty much guaranteed job stability for the next 5-7 years, with the opportunity to still look for other jobs that are a good fit.
2. Move your family halfway across the US, make $180K a year, but know there is a 80-90% chance you will be unemployed within 2 years and looking for a new job.

I'd take option #1 every day and twice on Sunday. Guess stability is just more important for me.

Interested to see how other BAers would approach this. I'd suspect it may be pretty 50/50.
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Williams more than doubled his salary, got 3 or 4 years in. Easy to figure why he left. How far you want to go back? We have lots of assistants doing well.
I guess it ultimately comes down to risk tolerance - and likely why I could have never been a college football coach.

Say someone came to you with these two options (salary is hypothetical, but probably in the ballpark of the choice Williams faced):

1. Remain in your current position making $80k a year and have pretty much guaranteed job stability for the next 5-7 years, with the opportunity to still look for other jobs that are a good fit.
2. Move your family halfway across the US, make $180K a year, but know there is a 80-90% chance you will be unemployed within 2 years and looking for a new job.

I'd take option #1 every day and twice on Sunday. Guess stability is just more important for me.

Interested to see how other BAers would approach this. I'd suspect it may be pretty 50/50.
Problem is there are variables that you do not know and really do not belong on this website. Coach Williams made a sound financial decision for his family in a business that sees the average coach hit the road every few years. Coach Solich could retire tomorrow, then what would any of these coaches do? Bottom line I love how people on a message board know how coaches should lead their lives and take care of their families. I am sure Jesse appreciates your input and concern for the choices he’s made.
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Posted: 11/22/2018 6:14 PM
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Williams more than doubled his salary, got 3 or 4 years in. Easy to figure why he left. How far you want to go back? We have lots of assistants doing well.
I guess it ultimately comes down to risk tolerance - and likely why I could have never been a college football coach.

Say someone came to you with these two options (salary is hypothetical, but probably in the ballpark of the choice Williams faced):

1. Remain in your current position making $80k a year and have pretty much guaranteed job stability for the next 5-7 years, with the opportunity to still look for other jobs that are a good fit.
2. Move your family halfway across the US, make $180K a year, but know there is a 80-90% chance you will be unemployed within 2 years and looking for a new job.

I'd take option #1 every day and twice on Sunday. Guess stability is just more important for me.

Interested to see how other BAers would approach this. I'd suspect it may be pretty 50/50.
Problem is there are variables that you do not know and really do not belong on this website. Coach Williams made a sound financial decision for his family in a business that sees the average coach hit the road every few years. Coach Solich could retire tomorrow, then what would any of these coaches do? Bottom line I love how people on a message board know how coaches should lead their lives and take care of their families. I am sure Jesse appreciates your input and concern for the choices he’s made.
Nobody is telling Jesse what he should have done. He’s just saying what he would do. Anyway I doubt your statement about the average coach moving every 2 years. You mess up facts to support your argument. Jesse was not there 3-4 years. You’re just making stuff up.
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Oh, glad you’ve never misspoke on a comment. Someday I hope to be perfect like you. Maybe if I’m lucky, I’ll even some day know the game of football half as well as you.
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Posted: 11/22/2018 9:37 PM
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Oh, glad you’ve never misspoke on a comment. Someday I hope to be perfect like you. Maybe if I’m lucky, I’ll even some day know the game of football half as well as you.
Oh, I misspeak on a comment every so often, don’t know where you get the perfect thing, but hey it’s your way.
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Nobody is telling Jesse what he should have done. He’s just saying what he would do. Anyway I doubt your statement about the average coach moving every 2 years. You mess up facts to support your argument. Jesse was not there 3-4 years. You’re just making stuff up.
Exactly. It's Jesse's prerogative what to do for him & his family. Just like I said with the Jaaron Simmons situation - ultimately it comes down to what you value. Everyone values something different in life, and that's OK.

That said, I'm sure there are a lot of coaches that do regret various decisions that they've made. Hitching your wagons to a head coach destined to be fired or a program doomed for failure can set your career back to a point that it never recovers.
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I believe one of the most famous coaches that left Ohio was Mark Dantonio. He was the Assistant Offensive Line coach in 1980. Well,... he was actually a Graduate Assistant, but, whenever MSU is playing in a national TV game I make it a point to brag that he was one of our coaches.
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Does anyone remember if that one rain cloud that always hovers above Mark Dantonio's head followed him around Athens back then, too?
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Tim Kish..... (shudder)
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Tim Kish..... (shudder)
Yeah, because he’s got it rough at Oklahoma. We got him when he was unemployed
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