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Maddog13
11/11/2018 11:29 AM
If true, this is sobering amount of money for those of us Bobcats who would like to see Ohio dance with higher ranked programs in Division I Football: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25242973/...
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TWT
11/11/2018 12:07 PM
A $14.1 million dollar buyout for Petrino. That is the cost of an IPF or two Sook Centers. But I guess its a neighborhood you can afford with a $30 million dollar TV deal in place.
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Pataskala
11/11/2018 12:41 PM
Plus they'd likely have to pay the $4.4 million buyout for Brohm if they get him by Dec 5 ($3.4 million after that).
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Buckeye to Bobcat
11/11/2018 1:10 PM
And just like that, tradition dies......do you think TOS has any interest in taking this job?
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rpbobcat
11/11/2018 1:37 PM
The article says that Louisville is going after Purdue's coach.

A friend of mine's son goes to Purdue.

According to him,doesn't seem to any doubt on Purdue's campus that he'll be gone at then end of the season.
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giacomo
11/11/2018 10:08 PM
Don't pay the players. No, can't do that.
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OhioCatFan
11/11/2018 10:16 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
Don't pay the players. No, can't do that.
I know you're being sarcastic, but taken literally you are right. Paying players will end college athletics as we know them. You can not have a state-supported, or private educational institution running a pro-football or pro-basketball program. Such payments for playing a sport will jeopardize tax exempt status and will erode public support. Right now we have somewhat of a charade of paying players with scholarships and other forms of financial aid that probably could be determined by a less than friendly analyst as "paying players," but we better not push it to actual payments for playing or we will rue the day.
Last Edited: 11/11/2018 10:17:22 PM by OhioCatFan
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BillyTheCat
11/12/2018 6:22 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Don't pay the players. No, can't do that.
I know you're being sarcastic, but taken literally you are right. Paying players will end college athletics as we know them. You can not have a state-supported, or private educational institution running a pro-football or pro-basketball program. Such payments for playing a sport will jeopardize tax exempt status and will erode public support. Right now we have somewhat of a charade of paying players with scholarships and other forms of financial aid that probably could be determined by a less than friendly analyst as "paying players," but we better not push it to actual payments for playing or we will rue the day.
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GoCats105
11/12/2018 7:55 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
The article says that Louisville is going after Purdue's coach.

A friend of mine's son goes to Purdue.

According to him,doesn't seem to any doubt on Purdue's campus that he'll be gone at then end of the season.
It's almost guaranteed that Brohm would take that job.
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Bcat2
11/12/2018 7:57 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Don't pay the players. No, can't do that.
I know you're being sarcastic, but taken literally you are right. Paying players will end college athletics as we know them. You can not have a state-supported, or private educational institution running a pro-football or pro-basketball program. Such payments for playing a sport will jeopardize tax exempt status and will erode public support. Right now we have somewhat of a charade of paying players with scholarships and other forms of financial aid that probably could be determined by a less than friendly analyst as "paying players," but we better not push it to actual payments for playing or we will rue the day.
My "public pension" is a defined benefit plan that operates as a tax exempt entity. Ours is funded by employee (school personnel) and employer (school district) contributions. The plan receives no state contributions. We are tax exempt so long as plan funds are only used to provide benefits to members or in the operation of the plan. Every year, well meaning, legislators come up with ideas to make other use of plan assets outside of the IRS guidelines. The plan's legislative affairs personnel then need to defend the plan from good people with good intentions. Last session included a bill that would have created new annual liabilities not benefits or operational costs to the tune of 500M. This would have required the forfeiture of our tax exempt status which would have essentially taken down the plan. Lord, please save us from good intentions.
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C Money
11/12/2018 9:06 AM
Is Louisville a better job than Purdue?

Papa John is on hard times, and that athletic department is ground zero for sleaze and controversy right now. It's one thing to get the NCAA to ignore your problems, but the USDOJ is a different story.

Meanwhile, consecutive non-losing seasons at Purdue might get you a bronze statue outside the stadium.
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OUcats82
11/12/2018 9:54 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Is Louisville a better job than Purdue?

Papa John is on hard times, and that athletic department is ground zero for sleaze and controversy right now. It's one thing to get the NCAA to ignore your problems, but the USDOJ is a different story.

Meanwhile, consecutive non-losing seasons at Purdue might get you a bronze statue outside the stadium.
I can certainly see pros and cons for both.

The Big 10 is always going to be top heavy with OSU, Penn State, Michigan etc. Purdue would really have to overachieve to finish in the top of the West Division, let alone the entire conference. However, Northwestern won the West this year, so.......

Take UofL out of the equation and Brohm would still be a hot name for vacancies from coast to coast, but especially in the Midwest-upper south.

Louisville is going to be looking up to and chasing Clemson in that division for the next several years at least. BC, NC State, Syracuse are all trending up so it will take whoever the next coach is a few years to get them back into the mix in the Atlantic Division. Hard to believe how much that program has fallen in two years-they were a yard or two away from possibly winning at Clemson to having 77 points dropped on them in the same stadium.

While they have taken steps to clean things up in Louisville, I still think that there is too much gray area on and around campus there for me if I am a prospective coach.
Last Edited: 11/12/2018 9:56:18 AM by OUcats82
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Mark Lembright '85
11/12/2018 1:02 PM
I think Louisville should hire Lance Leopold. :)
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GoCats105
11/12/2018 1:05 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Is Louisville a better job than Purdue?

Papa John is on hard times, and that athletic department is ground zero for sleaze and controversy right now. It's one thing to get the NCAA to ignore your problems, but the USDOJ is a different story.

Meanwhile, consecutive non-losing seasons at Purdue might get you a bronze statue outside the stadium.
Define better? At the moment one could see why Purdue is more enticing. But Louisville is more high profile. And it sucks to say, but you have to partially thank Bobby Petrino for that.
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giacomo
11/12/2018 5:03 PM
I'm not being sarcastic. When coaches are making 3-10M per year, this is not the amateur hour. I don't know what should be done, but I know it needs to change.
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OhioCatFan
11/13/2018 1:18 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
I'm not being sarcastic. When coaches are making 3-10M per year, this is not the amateur hour. I don't know what should be done, but I know it needs to change.
How about salary caps on coaches? Not sure the NCAA has the authority to do this, but there may be other ways, including public pressure on state legislatures for state supported institutions. With some state's budgets being really stretched, it does seem incongruous to have football coaches making more than the president of the institution not to mention the governor of the state. It would take a public campaign by many different interest groups to get this done, but I don't see it as impossible. In fact, I think it may be an issue where you'd see a lot of agreement between different segments of both right and the left. A coalition could be built, but it would take some leadership. Perhaps a job for Governor Kasich once he leaves office? I think he's looking for something to do! ;-)
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giacomo
11/13/2018 6:13 PM
Not a bad idea. It used to be they never paid the coach more than the president. That idea was shattered by Texas A&M and Jackie Sherrill. I'm not sure how many players to a football roster, but basketball has 15. If you paid them a 25k stipend annually and lowered your coaches salary, that could work for most of the P5. It wouldn't work for us.
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BillyTheCat
11/13/2018 9:34 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'm not being sarcastic. When coaches are making 3-10M per year, this is not the amateur hour. I don't know what should be done, but I know it needs to change.
How about salary caps on coaches? Not sure the NCAA has the authority to do this, but there may be other ways, including public pressure on state legislatures for state supported institutions. With some state's budgets being really stretched, it does seem incongruous to have football coaches making more than the president of the institution not to mention the governor of the state. It would take a public campaign by many different interest groups to get this done, but I don't see it as impossible. In fact, I think it may be an issue where you'd see a lot of agreement between different segments of both right and the left. A coalition could be built, but it would take some leadership. Perhaps a job for Governor Kasich once he leaves office? I think he's looking for something to do! ;-)
The NCAA has no power on this, and State Legislatures are not touching this. And the private schools would have zero regulation.
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OUPride
11/14/2018 9:13 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'm not being sarcastic. When coaches are making 3-10M per year, this is not the amateur hour. I don't know what should be done, but I know it needs to change.
How about salary caps on coaches? Not sure the NCAA has the authority to do this, but there may be other ways, including public pressure on state legislatures for state supported institutions. With some state's budgets being really stretched, it does seem incongruous to have football coaches making more than the president of the institution not to mention the governor of the state. It would take a public campaign by many different interest groups to get this done, but I don't see it as impossible. In fact, I think it may be an issue where you'd see a lot of agreement between different segments of both right and the left. A coalition could be built, but it would take some leadership. Perhaps a job for Governor Kasich once he leaves office? I think he's looking for something to do! ;-)
I agree with you entirely on the paying of players. I support the NFL and NBA having to develop true minor leagues. Let a kid choose between a 100K education in the college scholarship route or making 50K a year to focus solely on football playing for a minor league team in Birmingham or Tulsa.

As for salary caps on coaches, I think it's a valid idea. It, however, will never happen without caps on athletic subsidies, which some state legislatures (Virginia notably) have already begun to address. As the latter is something that directly affects affordability, it's also something that would gain a lot more momentum among legislators and across the political spectrum.
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giacomo
11/14/2018 11:18 AM
What do those subsidies look like and where do they come from? I'm aware of big donors making tax deductible contributions for tickets, luxury suite access and coach access. With the deductibility of such things being over I wonder how that will play out. Likely, everyone just being more creative. Here is a good article I found:

https://deadspin.com/sorry-coach-k-but-you-are-the-ncaa-1...
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
11/15/2018 1:00 PM
I agree that I'm not sure Louisville is going to be all that great a football destination moving forward. Still probably better than Purdue, but not the power it seemed to be building just a half decade ago.

As a side note, I hated that stadium. It might be that we gave up 500 million points to Teddy Bridgewater and it was 212 degrees, but that was not a fun stadium experience.
Last Edited: 11/15/2018 1:01:22 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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longtiimelurker
11/15/2018 10:18 PM
Lateral move but he has such deep UL roots that it is likely his dream destination. Purdue fans going to feel jilted but unbiased looks show his dad and he both are Cards to the core. Waiting around 5 years in W. Lafayette the post will pass him by.
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OhioCatFan
11/16/2018 11:30 AM
UofL's athletic department is in total shambles. The athletic scandals have really shaken the school to its core. I have an in-law who is a huge Card fan, and this year from the very beginning of the year, he let me know that, "I don't want to talk football." This is such a complete change of character for him that I was initially really taken aback. It was baffling. Now as the huge losses pile up week after week, I can kind of understand his attitude, but it's also clear that his disaffection is not just based on the results on the field. He senses something deeper, more sinister is going on at his beloved school and he's not happy. I get the distinct impression he feels there are more "shoes to drop" in the UL athletic scandals before the bottom is reached. WhetherJeff Brohm senses these same things, and whether they would influence his decision I have no idea, but I suspect it's a possibility.
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Pataskala
11/16/2018 11:39 AM
Now that Les Miles has gotten his payoff, maybe he'd be interested.
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Pataskala
11/16/2018 10:09 PM
Looks like Miles is going to Kansas.
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