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cc-cat
11/24/2018 4:41 PM
well Urban certainly made the right choice in picking his QB and letting joey walk. OSU may finally have a QB that can play on Sundays.
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MonroeClassmate
11/24/2018 5:15 PM
If the offensive deprived Northwestern Wildcats somehow deliver a win next week, does that make Akron the BigTen Champs?
Last Edited: 11/24/2018 8:15:28 PM by MonroeClassmate
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Bobcat1996
11/24/2018 7:22 PM
Urban owns Harbaugh as JH has nobody on offense. The Michigan team was living off of the one td loss to the Irish. Michigan has been dominated by the OSU for many seasons. Way over rated!! Name a good team Michigan beat? Maybe the Nittany Lions, but guessing PSU would struggle with the top six SEC programs.
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Bobcat1996
11/24/2018 7:26 PM
Powerful Eastern Michigan beat Purdue and Purdue destroyed OSU. Akron knocked off Northwestern. As Saban said last season "if Bama got beat by 30 points to an unranked team in his league do you think we would be having this conversation."
Last Edited: 11/24/2018 7:33:19 PM by Bobcat1996
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BillyTheCat
11/25/2018 12:58 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Win is a win, always! But I’m still struggling to see how you call the spread a gimmick when it’s the most used offense in college football. Your ability to do mental gymnastics is hilarious

I never said it was a bad offense. I said it was a gimmick offense: it's based in misdirection and creating athletic mismatches. That's easier to do when you can recruit blue-chip talent across the board and have multiple athletic mismatch opportunities. Osu's OC is a Chip Kelly protege--we saw what happened to Chip in the NFL where those athletic mismatches aren't there anymore.

Also, "spread" is too generic of a term. Osu's "spread" is not the same as the Air Raid. It's closer to single-wing football, IMO.
Really???? You call a gimmick offense one based on creating mismatches and misdirection? We. Shit, may as well call every good formation in the history of the game out. Wing T is all misdirection and mismatch, Double wing, Single wing. Hell even an offset I with a shuffle motion. You just proved that I crapped more football knowledge (and most others on this board did too) then you’ve ever known.

And the NFL is NOT college football. Heaven forbid a coaching staff mold a system to their athletes. In the NFL the athlete has to mold to the system.
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BillyTheCat
11/25/2018 1:00 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
well Urban certainly made the right choice in picking his QB and letting joey walk. OSU may finally have a QB that can play on Sundays.

No way, the local guru says it’s a gimmick offense. Haskins only succeeds because of the misdirection.
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Buck.Cat
11/25/2018 1:24 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
#2, I follow this part of Billy's logic. I disagree with it somewhat. A probable 10-2 season would be good enough at most schools, but ending the season with an ugly loss at Purdue, an ugly win over Nebraska, an ugly win over Michigan State, an ugly win over Maryland, and (potentially) an ugly loss to Michigan is going to make the CowTownU faithful start to question whether the off-field drama is resulting in on-field trouble....and I think there is some merit to that thought process.
This post sure aged well.
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C Money
11/25/2018 8:33 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Really???? You call a gimmick offense one based on creating mismatches and misdirection? We. Shit, may as well call every good formation in the history of the game out. Wing T is all misdirection and mismatch, Double wing, Single wing. Hell even an offset I with a shuffle motion. You just proved that I crapped more football knowledge (and most others on this board did too) then you’ve ever known.

And the NFL is NOT college football. Heaven forbid a coaching staff mold a system to their athletes. In the NFL the athlete has to mold to the system.
First, Billy, I know you are the smartest person on BobcatAttack--maybe even southeast Ohio--but please go click the link I posted earlier with the definition of "gimmick."

I'll tell you what. Because I am such a nice guy, I'll just copy and paste the definition here:
1. an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.
2. a concealed, usually devious aspect or feature of something, as a plan or deal: An offer that good must have a gimmick in it somewhere.
3. a hidden mechanical device by which a magician works a trick or a gambler controls a game of chance.

Second, YES. ALL OF THOSE OFFENSES ARE BASED OFF OF MISDIRECTION AND ARE GIMMICK OFFENSES. I LITERALLY COMPARED OSU'S OFFENSE TO THE SINGLE WING, AFTER YOU EQUATED ALL 3- and 4-WR BASE FORMATION OFFENSES.

So, unless you can tell me exactly how osu's offense is the same thing as the Air Raid, please spare me the tales of your glorious football feces.

Third, part of my larger point about Meyer specifically, which you are consistently ignoring in favor of ad hominem, is that Meyer's success at osu is more related to his ability to bring in the blue-chip talent to run his system. He doesn't have to, as you put it, "mold a system to their athletes."

There's nothing necessarily wrong with that approach if your goal is winning--but it isn't "good" coaching.

Can gimmick offenses work? Sure! Can they fail spectacularly too, especially when facing other top tier teams with blue chip talent across the board? Absolutely!
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/400876108

Was yesterday a good day for osu? Yes. Good enough to silence those who were starting to grumble about recent "on-field performance". For the time being, anyway. But if osu lays an egg vs. Northwestern, or looks soft in a bowl game, those grumblers will be back.

That's the bucknut way.
Last Edited: 11/25/2018 8:42:35 AM by C Money
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BillyTheCat
11/25/2018 8:50 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Really???? You call a gimmick offense one based on creating mismatches and misdirection? We. Shit, may as well call every good formation in the history of the game out. Wing T is all misdirection and mismatch, Double wing, Single wing. Hell even an offset I with a shuffle motion. You just proved that I crapped more football knowledge (and most others on this board did too) then you’ve ever known.

And the NFL is NOT college football. Heaven forbid a coaching staff mold a system to their athletes. In the NFL the athlete has to mold to the system.
First, Billy, I know you are the smartest person on BobcatAttack--maybe even southeast Ohio--but please go click the link I posted earlier with the definition of "gimmick."

I'll tell you what. Because I am such a nice guy, I'll just copy and paste the definition here:
1. an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.
2. a concealed, usually devious aspect or feature of something, as a plan or deal: An offer that good must have a gimmick in it somewhere.
3. a hidden mechanical device by which a magician works a trick or a gambler controls a game of chance.

Second, YES. ALL OF THOSE OFFENSES ARE BASED OFF OF MISDIRECTION AND ARE GIMMICK OFFENSES. I LITERALLY COMPARED OSU'S OFFENSE TO THE SINGLE WING, AFTER YOU EQUATED ALL 3- and 4-WR BASE FORMATION OFFENSES.

So, unless you can tell me exactly how osu's offense is the same thing as the Air Raid, please spare me the tales of your glorious football feces.

Third, part of my larger point about Meyer specifically, which you are consistently ignoring in favor of ad hominem, is that Meyer's success at osu is more related to his ability to bring in the blue-chip talent to run his system. He doesn't have to, as you put it, "mold a system to their athletes."

There's nothing necessarily wrong with that approach if your goal is winning--but it isn't "good" coaching.

Can gimmick offenses work? Sure! Can they fail spectacularly too, especially when facing other top tier teams with blue chip talent across the board? Absolutely!
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/400876108

Was yesterday a good day for osu? Yes. Good enough to silence those who were starting to grumble about recent "on-field performance". For the time being, anyway. But if osu lays an egg vs. Northwestern, or looks soft in a bowl game, those grumblers will be back.

That's the bucknut way.
Meyer won big at BGSU, Utah without Blue Chip 5 star recruits, you simply ignore that fact. You also ignore the fact that his offense currently is nothing like what he used to run. In fact, until OSU Meyer never coached a 1,000 rusher, now it’s a most yearly occurrence and he has one of the top throwing QB’s in the country. So not sure how you call that a Single Wing style offense. Just give it up, your hatred is simply unhealthy.
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BillyTheCat
11/25/2018 8:53 AM
Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
#2, I follow this part of Billy's logic. I disagree with it somewhat. A probable 10-2 season would be good enough at most schools, but ending the season with an ugly loss at Purdue, an ugly win over Nebraska, an ugly win over Michigan State, an ugly win over Maryland, and (potentially) an ugly loss to Michigan is going to make the CowTownU faithful start to question whether the off-field drama is resulting in on-field trouble....and I think there is some merit to that thought process.
This post sure aged well.
I believe he’s a little sour over that ugly loss going the other way.
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C Money
11/25/2018 9:01 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
#2, I follow this part of Billy's logic. I disagree with it somewhat. A probable 10-2 season would be good enough at most schools, but ending the season with an ugly loss at Purdue, an ugly win over Nebraska, an ugly win over Michigan State, an ugly win over Maryland, and (potentially) an ugly loss to Michigan is going to make the CowTownU faithful start to question whether the off-field drama is resulting in on-field trouble....and I think there is some merit to that thought process.
This post sure aged well.
I believe he’s a little sour over that ugly loss going the other way.
Nope, not at all! I've got as many degrees from osu as I do Ohio, actually. I don't hate osu. I'm glad they won.

But I also have the ability to set aside emotions and look at the matter objectively. My opinion is unchanged on the matter--an ugly loss to Michigan would have triggered a lot of grumbling about Meyer's coaching abilities separate and apart from any health concerns or personal issues.

Now I gotta go take a big giant Billy's football knowledge and get my day started.
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BillyTheCat
11/25/2018 9:05 AM
As for your Air Raid, that’s easy, Meyer’s offense is a typical spread, multi formations and multi back sets, traditionally more heavy run oriented, and based largely off the read option and RPO pass plays.

The Air Raid is an adaptation of the Run n Shoot (which actually started in SW Ohio) has mostly balanced formations with either empty sets or 1 back, extra wide splits up front to spread the defense and create more lanes. This is a pass heavy offense that relies on short quick routes. What running game there is relies on the read option.
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OUPride
11/25/2018 11:33 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=BillyTheCat]


Was yesterday a good day for osu? Yes. Good enough to silence those who were starting to grumble about recent "on-field performance". For the time being, anyway. But if osu lays an egg vs. Northwestern, or looks soft in a bowl game, those grumblers will be back.

That's the bucknut way.
If you think OSU is going to fire Meyer because the t-shirt fans (or even the run of the mill alumni) are grumbling, you really have no idea how the place works. As for the Zach Smith situation, if they were going to fire him over that they would have done it in August.

Now, Meyer might quit. He might quit because he's burned out and has never stayed at one job as long as he's already been at OSU. He might quit because of the brain cyst. He might quit because he's butthurt because the Prez and board told him that he doesn't run the place. He might quit because the OSU board is doing everything they can to make sure the OSU Prez is happy and staying (just gave him the max bonus and raise allowed by his contract), and it's clear who they think is more important, and Urban's ego can't handle that. He might quit because of a combination of all of the above. But he's not being fired because some fans are grumbling about on-field issues.
Last Edited: 11/25/2018 11:34:53 AM by OUPride
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BillyTheCat
11/27/2018 11:00 AM
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[QUOTE=BillyTheCat]


Was yesterday a good day for osu? Yes. Good enough to silence those who were starting to grumble about recent "on-field performance". For the time being, anyway. But if osu lays an egg vs. Northwestern, or looks soft in a bowl game, those grumblers will be back.

That's the bucknut way.
If you think OSU is going to fire Meyer because the t-shirt fans (or even the run of the mill alumni) are grumbling, you really have no idea how the place works. As for the Zach Smith situation, if they were going to fire him over that they would have done it in August.

Now, Meyer might quit. He might quit because he's burned out and has never stayed at one job as long as he's already been at OSU. He might quit because of the brain cyst. He might quit because he's butthurt because the Prez and board told him that he doesn't run the place. He might quit because the OSU board is doing everything they can to make sure the OSU Prez is happy and staying (just gave him the max bonus and raise allowed by his contract), and it's clear who they think is more important, and Urban's ego can't handle that. He might quit because of a combination of all of the above. But he's not being fired because some fans are grumbling about on-field issues.
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bshot44
11/27/2018 11:11 AM
Any chance we can bump this thread to some O$U message board?
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OhioStunter
11/27/2018 11:27 AM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
Where would Meyer go if he did decide to leave? Pac12, ACC or Big12? Kansas just locked up Les Miles....
Cleveland Browns?
...But only if Condoleezza Rice turns down the head coaching job.
Both have the same amount of NFL experience.

Who was the last NFL head coach to come from the college ranks with no NFL experience and have success?
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BillyTheCat
11/27/2018 1:16 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Where would Meyer go if he did decide to leave? Pac12, ACC or Big12? Kansas just locked up Les Miles....
Cleveland Browns?
...But only if Condoleezza Rice turns down the head coaching job.
Both have the same amount of NFL experience.

Who was the last NFL head coach to come from the college ranks with no NFL experience and have success?
Paul Brown, Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer all won NFL Championships or Super Bowls coming from College with no NFL or professional experience.
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CafTud
11/28/2018 10:31 PM
Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
(potentially) an ugly loss to Michigan is going to make the CowTownU faithful start to question.
This post sure aged well.
Missed again.
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Buck.Cat
12/1/2018 11:53 PM
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But if osu lays an egg vs. Northwestern,
[/QUOTE]I mean, you’ll be correct one of these days.

[QUOTE=C Money]

(potentially) an ugly loss to Michigan is going to make the CowTownU faithful start to question.
This post sure aged well.
Missed again.
Missed what, grandpa?
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cc-cat
12/2/2018 1:41 PM
Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
Missed what, grandpa?
The playoffs.....again
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Buck.Cat
12/2/2018 1:51 PM
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The playoffs.....again
Oh, gotcha. Ohio State has only played in two out of the five BCS playoffs, including a national championship. I suppose the Rose Bowl will have to do this year.
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OhioStunter
12/2/2018 9:58 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Where would Meyer go if he did decide to leave? Pac12, ACC or Big12? Kansas just locked up Les Miles....
Cleveland Browns?
...But only if Condoleezza Rice turns down the head coaching job.
Both have the same amount of NFL experience.

Who was the last NFL head coach to come from the college ranks with no NFL experience and have success?
Paul Brown, Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer all won NFL Championships or Super Bowls coming from College with no NFL or professional experience.
We only had to go back 30 years ago to find the last successful example.
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BobcatSports
12/2/2018 10:11 PM
Why on earth are we always doing the OSU this and that bs? Christ do we have little man syndrome or what.
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RSBobcat
12/2/2018 10:37 PM
BobcatSports wrote:expand_more
Why on earth are we always doing the OSU this and that bs? Christ do we have little man syndrome or what.
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Too many split fans on the board

They should start there own friggin' split fan board.....

Wonder how often they dis TO$U on a Buckeyes board I bet they spend as much or more time on - And prolly Zero referencing OHIO & Bobcats.....
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