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TWT
12/5/2018 10:47 AM
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Thanked everyone except the President and board. Sounds like a petulent child who suddenly had it reveled to him that he's not the center of the universe....or the university. Must have been a real slap to his ego when OSU's board gave the President a full bonus and raise last month. Sounds like they know who's important and who can be replaced.
He really is immortal in Columbus. I don't understand why nobody calls out his lies. He was quoted just a couple weeks ago as "100% returning as the head coach next year." It wasn't even like he tip toed around the question either like he likes to do. Maybe I'm naive but I just could not support a serial liar as the face of my university.
Because, as we all know, OSU has this teeming mass of unwashed t-shirt alumni that worship football, and he fed that beast. And unlike Wal-Mart Wolverines or Subway Domers, they seem to hate the actual university itself (flunked out back in OSU's open admissions days?). I skimmed through a couple of Buckeye boards last night, and there were multiple posts just foaming at the mouth in hatred of their President (and I'm sure race adds some gasoline to that fire among a portion of that crowd). All of their alumni that I know up here in Chicago--most of whom donate every year to something on the academic side--could either care less that he's leaving or at most have a "pressure's on the new guy; let's see if he's up to it" mentality. The t-shirts are something else though. One of the guys that I work with said something once that's stuck with me. He worked in Columbus for a few years after college before coming to Chicago for his MBA where he stayed afterwards. He said,"I got to the point down there where I just tuned it out. The circus that surrounded OSU football made it purely unenjoyable, and it wasn't until I came up to Chicago that I actually started watching it and being a fan again."
That athletics is so prominent that it hurts the image of the school. It is a turn-off for a snobby elitist merit scholar. At say Alabama its different because its a mid tier school to begin with and if they don't have a better football team than Auburn they'll lose students to them. UC is a mid tier school and having good football and basketball does make a difference compared to a Toledo or Kent St. OSU would be better off low key as a top tier school. What they are is a sorry excuse for a top tier school.
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OUPride
12/5/2018 10:56 AM
I know your hatred for them can be blinding at times, but c'mon. They enrolled an Honors freshman class this Fall of 1100 students that was literally the size and quality of Dartmouth's freshman class. Their average ACT and SAT scores for the entire freshman class is top 10 among public universities. Their endowment is 5.2 billion dollars. They have dozens of National Academy members on faculty and are doing a billion dollars in annual research funding.

They may not be Berkeley or Michigan, but anyone who doesn't want to admit that they're at least playing in that league and holding their own is coming from a place of blind hate rather than objective fact.

http://mup.umass.edu/sites/default/files/mup-2016-top-ame...
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BillyTheCat
12/5/2018 11:22 AM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
Thanked everyone except the President and board. Sounds like a petulent child who suddenly had it reveled to him that he's not the center of the universe....or the university. Must have been a real slap to his ego when OSU's board gave the President a full bonus and raise last month. Sounds like they know who's important and who can be replaced.
He really is immortal in Columbus. I don't understand why nobody calls out his lies. He was quoted just a couple weeks ago as "100% returning as the head coach next year." It wasn't even like he tip toed around the question either like he likes to do. Maybe I'm naive but I just could not support a serial liar as the face of my university.
Every coach says this, every AD answers this way. Sometimes you have reasons for not telling everyone your business. As evident by the Day hiring immediately that this was a plan that had been in the works. Also evident by the question last week that unveiled this poorly kept secret. Why deal with the distraction before the biggest game of the year and the biggest game on your schedule. Anyone who takes a coach and "coach-speak" at a presser as fact needs to probably check their senses of reality.
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BillyTheCat
12/5/2018 11:24 AM
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Tress was never offered Akron job. He wanted it but was being passed over so he went east.
Yep, published fact....Got to love facts ;-) Tressel was passed over for the job he wanted.

https://www.ohio.com/article/20140527/NEWS/305279108
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BillyTheCat
12/5/2018 11:27 AM
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One of the things that's getting a lot of buzz out here in N.J. is what happens to Schiano.

There had been a lot of talk about him being Meyer's heir apparent.

Making Day the acting head coach,even though Schiano is Associate Head Coach, showed the "writing on the wall" as far as Head Coach.

Given the fact that he didn't get the Tenn. head Coaching job,he would seem to have limited options.

A lot of OSU fans want him gone,given how poor their defense was this season.

What's interesting is that a lot of RU fans wanted to try to bring him back,instead of hiring Ash.

Now RU fans want Ash gone,but they're not hot on trying to get Schiano.
The Associate Head Coach Title was purely a gimmick to pay Schiano for his experience and a salary to keep him around. We do the same thing here.
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BillyTheCat
12/5/2018 11:28 AM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
I know your hatred for them can be blinding at times, but c'mon. They enrolled an Honors freshman class this Fall of 1100 students that was literally the size and quality of Dartmouth's freshman class. Their average ACT and SAT scores for the entire freshman class is top 10 among public universities. Their endowment is 5.2 billion dollars. They have dozens of National Academy members on faculty and are doing a billion dollars in annual research funding.

They may not be Berkeley or Michigan, but anyone who doesn't want to admit that they're at least playing in that league and holding their own is coming from a place of blind hate rather than objective fact.

http://mup.umass.edu/sites/default/files/mup-2016-top-ame...
+1

The hatred is hilarious, you do not have to be a fan, but to not respect the institution on its merits is entertaining.
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rpbobcat
12/5/2018 11:35 AM
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The Associate Head Coach Title was purely a gimmick to pay Schiano for his experience and a salary to keep him around. We do the same thing here.
I agree 100%.

Thing is,the talk out here was that they wanted to keep him around to take over at some point in time.
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spongeBOB CATpants
12/5/2018 12:41 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Thanked everyone except the President and board. Sounds like a petulent child who suddenly had it reveled to him that he's not the center of the universe....or the university. Must have been a real slap to his ego when OSU's board gave the President a full bonus and raise last month. Sounds like they know who's important and who can be replaced.
He really is immortal in Columbus. I don't understand why nobody calls out his lies. He was quoted just a couple weeks ago as "100% returning as the head coach next year." It wasn't even like he tip toed around the question either like he likes to do. Maybe I'm naive but I just could not support a serial liar as the face of my university.
Every coach says this, every AD answers this way. Sometimes you have reasons for not telling everyone your business. As evident by the Day hiring immediately that this was a plan that had been in the works. Also evident by the question last week that unveiled this poorly kept secret. Why deal with the distraction before the biggest game of the year and the biggest game on your schedule. Anyone who takes a coach and "coach-speak" at a presser as fact needs to probably check their senses of reality.
Yeah except Meyer's version of "coach-speak" is to simply lie. Any thoughts for his "coach-speak" at the big 10 media day?
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OUPride
12/5/2018 1:31 PM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
Thanked everyone except the President and board. Sounds like a petulent child who suddenly had it reveled to him that he's not the center of the universe....or the university. Must have been a real slap to his ego when OSU's board gave the President a full bonus and raise last month. Sounds like they know who's important and who can be replaced.
He really is immortal in Columbus. I don't understand why nobody calls out his lies. He was quoted just a couple weeks ago as "100% returning as the head coach next year." It wasn't even like he tip toed around the question either like he likes to do. Maybe I'm naive but I just could not support a serial liar as the face of my university.
Every coach says this, every AD answers this way. Sometimes you have reasons for not telling everyone your business. As evident by the Day hiring immediately that this was a plan that had been in the works. Also evident by the question last week that unveiled this poorly kept secret. Why deal with the distraction before the biggest game of the year and the biggest game on your schedule. Anyone who takes a coach and "coach-speak" at a presser as fact needs to probably check their senses of reality.
Yeah except Meyer's version of "coach-speak" is to simply lie. Any thoughts for his "coach-speak" at the big 10 media day?
I think we know the OSU President and board's thoughts on it.
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BillyTheCat
12/5/2018 2:50 PM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
Thanked everyone except the President and board. Sounds like a petulent child who suddenly had it reveled to him that he's not the center of the universe....or the university. Must have been a real slap to his ego when OSU's board gave the President a full bonus and raise last month. Sounds like they know who's important and who can be replaced.
He really is immortal in Columbus. I don't understand why nobody calls out his lies. He was quoted just a couple weeks ago as "100% returning as the head coach next year." It wasn't even like he tip toed around the question either like he likes to do. Maybe I'm naive but I just could not support a serial liar as the face of my university.
Every coach says this, every AD answers this way. Sometimes you have reasons for not telling everyone your business. As evident by the Day hiring immediately that this was a plan that had been in the works. Also evident by the question last week that unveiled this poorly kept secret. Why deal with the distraction before the biggest game of the year and the biggest game on your schedule. Anyone who takes a coach and "coach-speak" at a presser as fact needs to probably check their senses of reality.
Yeah except Meyer's version of "coach-speak" is to simply lie. Any thoughts for his "coach-speak" at the big 10 media day?
That's not coach speak, and his answer was little difference than others who have been in that situation. You really want me to drag up things from 2006 to show other coaches deflect and deny what there is actual facts regarding????
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bobcatsquared
12/5/2018 3:06 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
You really want me to drag up things from 2006 to show other coaches deflect and deny what there is actual facts regarding????
Yes, please.
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OhioCatFan
12/5/2018 5:49 PM
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Tress was never offered Akron job. He wanted it but was being passed over so he went east.
Sorry for giving the man too much credit for wisdom. I'll never make that mistake again when talking about an O$U football coach! ;-)
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cc-cat
12/5/2018 6:49 PM
Fuck Miami
Screw State

Period. There is nothing else to discuss or embrace.
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TWT
12/5/2018 7:25 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
I know your hatred for them can be blinding at times, but c'mon. They enrolled an Honors freshman class this Fall of 1100 students that was literally the size and quality of Dartmouth's freshman class. Their average ACT and SAT scores for the entire freshman class is top 10 among public universities. Their endowment is 5.2 billion dollars. They have dozens of National Academy members on faculty and are doing a billion dollars in annual research funding.

They may not be Berkeley or Michigan, but anyone who doesn't want to admit that they're at least playing in that league and holding their own is coming from a place of blind hate rather than objective fact.
I said OSU is a top tier school. Its designed to be a top tier research school with its cost model for research faculty. Why I see it as a poor excuse for a top tier school is because with all the elite private schools where you are buying a total social experience OSU gives you a Central Florida mass education. Go take a hike across a three mile campus to get to class. Spend your freshman year in psychology lecture hall with 200 people. That's ok because you'll have a right as a student to buy season tickets for those big horseshoe showdowns on Saturday. With all the universities the could be picked with your top SAT score you decided to attend a large impersonal university in Columbus, a second tier city in the Midwest.
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Mark Lembright '85
12/5/2018 8:11 PM
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I know your hatred for them can be blinding at times, but c'mon. They enrolled an Honors freshman class this Fall of 1100 students that was literally the size and quality of Dartmouth's freshman class. Their average ACT and SAT scores for the entire freshman class is top 10 among public universities. Their endowment is 5.2 billion dollars. They have dozens of National Academy members on faculty and are doing a billion dollars in annual research funding.

They may not be Berkeley or Michigan, but anyone who doesn't want to admit that they're at least playing in that league and holding their own is coming from a place of blind hate rather than objective fact.
I said OSU is a top tier school. Its designed to be a top tier research school with its cost model for research faculty. Why I see it as a poor excuse for a top tier school is because with all the elite private schools where you are buying a total social experience OSU gives you a Central Florida mass education. Go take a hike across a three mile campus to get to class. Spend your freshman year in psychology lecture hall with 200 people. That's ok because you'll have a right as a student to buy season tickets for those big horseshoe showdowns on Saturday. With all the universities the could be picked with your top SAT score you decided to attend a large impersonal university in Columbus, a second tier city in the Midwest.
And OSU is much less expensive (at least for in-state students) than the elite private schools you mention. I’m no Ohio State honk, but it really is a fine institution academically. And as I recall, I took several classes at Ohio in very large, 200 student-type classes. So if that is a negative for a University, well.....

Edit: That being said, any time Ohio can beat Ohio State in sports, like the Women’s softball team did this last year, it literally makes my day, my week, my month, you get the idea. Yes CC Cat, screw State! (in sports)
Last Edited: 12/5/2018 8:18:22 PM by Mark Lembright '85
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12/5/2018 8:28 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I know your hatred for them can be blinding at times, but c'mon. They enrolled an Honors freshman class this Fall of 1100 students that was literally the size and quality of Dartmouth's freshman class. Their average ACT and SAT scores for the entire freshman class is top 10 among public universities. Their endowment is 5.2 billion dollars. They have dozens of National Academy members on faculty and are doing a billion dollars in annual research funding.

They may not be Berkeley or Michigan, but anyone who doesn't want to admit that they're at least playing in that league and holding their own is coming from a place of blind hate rather than objective fact.
I said OSU is a top tier school. Its designed to be a top tier research school with its cost model for research faculty. Why I see it as a poor excuse for a top tier school is because with all the elite private schools where you are buying a total social experience OSU gives you a Central Florida mass education. Go take a hike across a three mile campus to get to class. Spend your freshman year in psychology lecture hall with 200 people. That's ok because you'll have a right as a student to buy season tickets for those big horseshoe showdowns on Saturday. With all the universities the could be picked with your top SAT score you decided to attend a large impersonal university in Columbus, a second tier city in the Midwest.
And OSU is much less expensive (at least for in-state students) than the elite private schools you mention. I’m no Ohio State honk, but it really is a fine institution academically. And as I recall, I took several classes at Ohio in very large, 200 student-type classes. So if that is a negative for a University, well.....
I'm thinking a lot of those merit scholars OSU is loading up would have rides to very good schools that would exceed what they are paying at OSU. If its true the top 1100 students at OSU have a profile higher than Dartmouth College. Why not go there then? Its not a school that helps you like an Ivy or what they are now calling an Ivy Plus schools. OU isn't perfect either but I am not categorizing it as a top tier university. It offers nice opportunities for a decent student, a school that overachieves compared to its profile.
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12/5/2018 9:14 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I know your hatred for them can be blinding at times, but c'mon. They enrolled an Honors freshman class this Fall of 1100 students that was literally the size and quality of Dartmouth's freshman class. Their average ACT and SAT scores for the entire freshman class is top 10 among public universities. Their endowment is 5.2 billion dollars. They have dozens of National Academy members on faculty and are doing a billion dollars in annual research funding.

They may not be Berkeley or Michigan, but anyone who doesn't want to admit that they're at least playing in that league and holding their own is coming from a place of blind hate rather than objective fact.
I said OSU is a top tier school. Its designed to be a top tier research school with its cost model for research faculty. Why I see it as a poor excuse for a top tier school is because with all the elite private schools where you are buying a total social experience OSU gives you a Central Florida mass education. Go take a hike across a three mile campus to get to class. Spend your freshman year in psychology lecture hall with 200 people. That's ok because you'll have a right as a student to buy season tickets for those big horseshoe showdowns on Saturday. With all the universities the could be picked with your top SAT score you decided to attend a large impersonal university in Columbus, a second tier city in the Midwest.
And OSU is much less expensive (at least for in-state students) than the elite private schools you mention. I’m no Ohio State honk, but it really is a fine institution academically. And as I recall, I took several classes at Ohio in very large, 200 student-type classes. So if that is a negative for a University, well.....

Edit: That being said, any time Ohio can beat Ohio State in sports, like the Women’s softball team did this last year, it literally makes my day, my week, my month, you get the idea. Yes CC Cat, screw State! (in sports)
I've a nephew, Mark, who graduated from OSU about 25 years ago. I recall chatting with him at Thanksgiving his freshman year. He related that some of his courses were held in auditoriums with as many as 500 students. The professor, he said, wasn't in the auditorium. Instead, he sat in his office, lecturing, and his visage was shown on TV screens positioned around the auditorium's perimeter.

I said, "How do you ask questions?"

Mark's reply, "You can't."
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ChiCat2018
12/5/2018 11:06 PM
https://www.ohio.edu/compass/stories/18-19/09/fall-enroll...

OU and OSU serve different populations, and I think the work OU does has a much bigger impact on the life of the individual than it does at OSU (unless you're a football player).
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rpbobcat
12/6/2018 7:02 AM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
I've a nephew, Mark, who graduated from OSU about 25 years ago. I recall chatting with him at Thanksgiving his freshman year. He related that some of his courses were held in auditoriums with as many as 500 students. The professor, he said, wasn't in the auditorium. Instead, he sat in his office, lecturing, and his visage was shown on TV screens positioned around the auditorium's perimeter.

I said, "How do you ask questions?"

Mark's reply, "You can't."
I attended O.U. in the early/mid 70's

My freshman Chemistry,Physics and Zoology classes all had several hundred students.

With rare exceptions,questions weren't allowed during lectures in Chemistry or Physics.

In Chemistry and Physics classes you had a once a week "recitation" class.
That was a group of about 20 students,with a grad assistant.
That was when you could ask questions and go over homework problems.

You could also ask questions in labs.

In Zoology there weren't many questions,so you could usually ask in class.
Most people "held" questions till lab.
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Bcat2
12/6/2018 7:29 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
I've a nephew, Mark, who graduated from OSU about 25 years ago. I recall chatting with him at Thanksgiving his freshman year. He related that some of his courses were held in auditoriums with as many as 500 students. The professor, he said, wasn't in the auditorium. Instead, he sat in his office, lecturing, and his visage was shown on TV screens positioned around the auditorium's perimeter.

I said, "How do you ask questions?"

Mark's reply, "You can't."
I attended O.U. in the early/mid 70's

My freshman Chemistry,Physics and Zoology classes all had several hundred students.

With rare exceptions,questions weren't allowed during lectures in Chemistry or Physics.

In Chemistry and Physics classes you had a once a week "recitation" class.
That was a group of about 20 students,with a grad assistant.
That was when you could ask questions and go over homework problems.

You could also ask questions in labs.

In Zoology there weren't many questions,so you could usually ask in class.
Most people "held" questions till lab.
Some questions on that. First, please compare your cost per hour/class early/mid-seventies to 2018. Have there been comparable increases in the wage scale for grads?
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rpbobcat
12/6/2018 8:12 AM
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I've a nephew, Mark, who graduated from OSU about 25 years ago. I recall chatting with him at Thanksgiving his freshman year. He related that some of his courses were held in auditoriums with as many as 500 students. The professor, he said, wasn't in the auditorium. Instead, he sat in his office, lecturing, and his visage was shown on TV screens positioned around the auditorium's perimeter.

I said, "How do you ask questions?"

Mark's reply, "You can't."
I attended O.U. in the early/mid 70's

My freshman Chemistry,Physics and Zoology classes all had several hundred students.

With rare exceptions,questions weren't allowed during lectures in Chemistry or Physics.

In Chemistry and Physics classes you had a once a week "recitation" class.
That was a group of about 20 students,with a grad assistant.
That was when you could ask questions and go over homework problems.

You could also ask questions in labs.

In Zoology there weren't many questions,so you could usually ask in class.
Most people "held" questions till lab.
Some questions on that. First, please compare your cost per hour/class early/mid-seventies to 2018. Have there been comparable increases in the wage scale for grads?
First off,the original post was referring to a student at OSU 25 years ago,not today.

Second,my post merely to pointed out that,when I went to O.U.,we also had lectures with large numbers of students,where questions weren't allowed.
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spongeBOB CATpants
12/6/2018 8:40 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Thanked everyone except the President and board. Sounds like a petulent child who suddenly had it reveled to him that he's not the center of the universe....or the university. Must have been a real slap to his ego when OSU's board gave the President a full bonus and raise last month. Sounds like they know who's important and who can be replaced.
He really is immortal in Columbus. I don't understand why nobody calls out his lies. He was quoted just a couple weeks ago as "100% returning as the head coach next year." It wasn't even like he tip toed around the question either like he likes to do. Maybe I'm naive but I just could not support a serial liar as the face of my university.
Every coach says this, every AD answers this way. Sometimes you have reasons for not telling everyone your business. As evident by the Day hiring immediately that this was a plan that had been in the works. Also evident by the question last week that unveiled this poorly kept secret. Why deal with the distraction before the biggest game of the year and the biggest game on your schedule. Anyone who takes a coach and "coach-speak" at a presser as fact needs to probably check their senses of reality.
Yeah except Meyer's version of "coach-speak" is to simply lie. Any thoughts for his "coach-speak" at the big 10 media day?
That's not coach speak, and his answer was little difference than others who have been in that situation. You really want me to drag up things from 2006 to show other coaches deflect and deny what there is actual facts regarding????
It sounds like you're just grouping Urban with other coaches that lie. My stance hasn't changed. I don't care what school it is, if the coach can bold face lie to the fan base, repeatedly, then I want a coach that doesn't. Especially when they take so much pride in "molding" young men.
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Bcat2
12/6/2018 1:57 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
I've a nephew, Mark, who graduated from OSU about 25 years ago. I recall chatting with him at Thanksgiving his freshman year. He related that some of his courses were held in auditoriums with as many as 500 students. The professor, he said, wasn't in the auditorium. Instead, he sat in his office, lecturing, and his visage was shown on TV screens positioned around the auditorium's perimeter.

I said, "How do you ask questions?"

Mark's reply, "You can't."
I attended O.U. in the early/mid 70's

My freshman Chemistry,Physics and Zoology classes all had several hundred students.

With rare exceptions,questions weren't allowed during lectures in Chemistry or Physics.

In Chemistry and Physics classes you had a once a week "recitation" class.
That was a group of about 20 students,with a grad assistant.
That was when you could ask questions and go over homework problems.

You could also ask questions in labs.

In Zoology there weren't many questions,so you could usually ask in class.
Most people "held" questions till lab.
Some questions on that. First, please compare your cost per hour/class early/mid-seventies to 2018. Have there been comparable increases in the wage scale for grads?
First off,the original post was referring to a student at OSU 25 years ago,not today.

Second,my post merely to pointed out that,when I went to O.U.,we also had lectures with large numbers of students,where questions weren't allowed.
I get that. Thought I would go onto a side track. Costs are out of line. I just watched a friend's son begin at a Community College which offered a pre-engineering program. He then transferred to Missouri S&T to finish his studies in engineering. He then enjoyed being courted by some great companies only to stay in his home area at an electric cooperative. The coop is now funding his continued studies. I think his route makes sense when costs are so high. It is not where you start, but, where you finish. Another Community College offers a pre-pharmacy course which prepares students for a college of pharmacy. What are the downsides to using such pre-professional programs to avoid the higher costs of fr/soph studies, mega lecture halls, at universities?
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rpbobcat
12/7/2018 6:50 AM
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I get that. Thought I would go onto a side track. Costs are out of line. I just watched a friend's son begin at a Community College which offered a pre-engineering program. He then transferred to Missouri S&T to finish his studies in engineering. He then enjoyed being courted by some great companies only to stay in his home area at an electric cooperative. The coop is now funding his continued studies. I think his route makes sense when costs are so high. It is not where you start, but, where you finish. Another Community College offers a pre-pharmacy course which prepares students for a college of pharmacy. What are the downsides to using such pre-professional programs to avoid the higher costs of fr/soph studies, mega lecture halls, at universities?
I agree 100% that costs are out of line.
I've posted before that I work with FDU.
I can't believe how much of a school's expenses go to administration.

The "downside",if you want to call it that,to using the approaches you mention to pursue your education,is missing out on the "college experience"

We've discussed that here before.
That's what a lot of schools push to get students for that 4 year "experience".
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cc-cat
12/7/2018 8:24 AM
the issue of cost raises a question i have been trying to answer. what was the cost of out of state tuition in 1980 at Ohio?
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