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71 BOBCAT
1/5/2018 5:27 PM
The real unfortunate part in all this is had he come to OHIO he would have played, 4 year starter, and if real good would have been seen by NFL scouts. Today mid major talent is noticed. Big Ben is one example, Batch another and there are many more.
I think this kid is a talent and would have added at least 2-4 additional wins each year he played. not including more bowl wins, plus top 25 rankings.
It's real unfortunate that he choose OSU.


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OhioCatFan
1/5/2018 6:00 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
The real unfortunate part in all this is had he come to OHIO he would have played, 4 year starter, and if real good would have been seen by NFL scouts. Today mid major talent is noticed. Big Ben is one example, Batch another and there are many more.
I think this kid is a talent and would have added at least 2-4 additional wins each year he played. not including more bowl wins, plus top 25 rankings.
It's real unfortunate that he choose OSU.


GO BOBCATS
I agree with general line of thinking.

It sort of reminds me a strange way of situation where an Athens business that was doing well and had nationwide (even international) clientele was inherited by a young person (third generation away from the founder), and decided Athens was too small a playground and moved the whole operation to Columbus and for legal reasons, having to do with union contracts, had to give it a new name. His new shop in Columbus was, I believe, non-union. Within a few years the company folded. He had skilled workers in Athens. He had a modern nearly state-of-the-art plant. He had a name recognition. He forsook that all for the bright lights of Columbus. In retrospect, I suspect he considers that a bad decision.
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1/5/2018 6:11 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I agree with general line of thinking.

It sort of reminds me a strange way of situation where an Athens business that was doing well and had nationwide (even international) clientele was inherited by a young person (third generation away from the founder), and decided Athens was too small a playground and moved the whole operation to Columbus and for legal reasons, having to do with union contracts, had to give it a new name. His new shop in Columbus was, I believe, non-union. Within a few years the company folded. He had skilled workers in Athens. He had a modern nearly state-of-the-art plant. He had a name recognition. He forsook that all for the bright lights of Columbus. In retrospect, I suspect he considers that a bad decision.
I had never heard the story of the original Burrito Buggy...
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L.C.
1/5/2018 8:27 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Regarding the question of how many players, who didn't start elsewhere, transferred to the MAC, started, and made it to the NFL (none), it's perhaps a better question to ask how many players who couldn't win the starting job at their first school of choice transferred anywhere else, and made it to the NFL? I'm guessing that the answer is a very low number, but I know it isn't zero. I can think of one person who did that. About forty years ago Vince Ferragamo was beaten out for the starting job at U. Cal. by Steve Bartkowski, transferred to Nebraska, and eventually played in the Super Bowl. Bartkowski was also an NFL quarterback, obviously.

So, has anyone else who couldn't win a starting job in college transferred and made it to the NFL? Anyone in the last twenty years?
Nathan Peterman (Tennessee to Pitt)
Russell Wilson (NC State to Wisconsin)
Jacoby Brissett (Florida to NC State)
Nick Foles (Michigan State to Arizona)
Joe Flacco (Pitt to Delaware)
Ryan Mallet (Michigan to Arkansas)
Jeff Hostetler (Penn St to WVU) *** NOT IN LAST 20 YRS
Josh McCown (SMU to Sam Houston)
Matt Moore (UCLA to Oregon St)
Cam Newton (Florida to Auburn)
Tom Savage (Rutgers to Pitt)
Jeff George (Purdue to Illinois) *** NOT IN LAST 20 YRS
Zach Mettenberger (Georgia to LSU)
Jeff Driskel (Florida to La Tech)

NFL Bound?
Will Grier (Florida to WVU)
Baker Mayfield (Texas Tech to Oklahoma)
Jarrett Stidham (Baylor to Auburn)
Riley Ferguson (Tennessee to Memphis)
Ryan Finley (Boise to NC State)

Wow, thanks for that interesting list. It's much longer than I expected. I'll have to check it out later. I'm particularly curious how career went for the players that beat them out at their first school. Did they also go on to the NFL? As a side note, I see one transfer to Sam Houston, and one to Delaware, so obviously they can transfer to a non-P5 school and still end up in the NFL, but most of them, by far, went to other P5 schools.
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OhioCatFan
1/5/2018 8:47 PM

OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
I agree with general line of thinking.

It sort of reminds me a strange way of situation where an Athens business that was doing well and had nationwide (even international) clientele was inherited by a young person (third generation away from the founder), and decided Athens was too small a playground and moved the whole operation to Columbus and for legal reasons, having to do with union contracts, had to give it a new name. His new shop in Columbus was, I believe, non-union. Within a few years the company folded. He had skilled workers in Athens. He had a modern nearly state-of-the-art plant. He had a name recognition. He forsook that all for the bright lights of Columbus. In retrospect, I suspect he considers that a bad decision.


I had never heard the story of the original Burrito Buggy...

 

Close, but no cigar!  smiley

Last Edited: 1/5/2018 8:48:02 PM by OhioCatFan
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SBH
1/6/2018 9:37 AM
Ray's Freeze! Just kidding; I know that's a whole other sad tale.
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BillyTheCat
1/6/2018 11:36 AM
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So where do folks think he'll end up? I say a Youngstown State-ish type place.

Not predicting it, but YSU would not surprise me.
Why YSU, he can go anywhere with no penalty, so why would he go FCS?
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cc-cat
1/6/2018 1:17 PM
He has to go somewhere he can almost certainly start. Therefore, every program in the country is not open to him - or of interest to him. Obviously he needs to find a system that best fits his skills, a program that does not have a strong incumbent (NC St??), probably one that does not have a player "waiting in the wings" - e.g., Nebraska has been bantered around, but how strongly do they feel about Gebbia? Agree makes little/no sense to "step down" - I'm sure he is digging deep into the situation at a. number of schools - assuming he leaves OSU - YSU makes little sense.
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L.C.
1/6/2018 2:30 PM
At this point his dream of playing in the NFL, while not extinguished, is not as likely as it no doubt seemed three years ago. Meanwhile, to his credit, come May he will have an OSU diploma in only three years, with the upcoming opportunity of two paid-for years in graduate school. I would think that a factor in his decision would also be the quality of the graduate school. I don't know his field of study, but suppose he'd like to have an MBA, in which case, why wouldn't he consider, say, Harvard, even though it is an FCS school?
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allen
1/6/2018 4:56 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
At this point his dream of playing in the NFL, while not extinguished, is not as likely as it no doubt seemed three years ago. Meanwhile, to his credit, come May he will have an OSU diploma in only three years, with the upcoming opportunity of two paid-for years in graduate school. I would think that a factor in his decision would also be the quality of the graduate school. I don't know his field of study, but suppose he'd like to have an MBA, in which case, why wouldn't he consider, say, Harvard, even though it is an FCS school?
Does Harvard give out football scholarships?
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L.C.
1/6/2018 5:50 PM
In the recruiting process I've seen players list that that they had offers from Harvard, so I presume they do give scholarships, unless a "Harvard offer" is only an offer of admission.
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D.A.
1/6/2018 6:00 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
At this point his dream of playing in the NFL, while not extinguished, is not as likely as it no doubt seemed three years ago. Meanwhile, to his credit, come May he will have an OSU diploma in only three years, with the upcoming opportunity of two paid-for years in graduate school. I would think that a factor in his decision would also be the quality of the graduate school. I don't know his field of study, but suppose he'd like to have an MBA, in which case, why wouldn't he consider, say, Harvard, even though it is an FCS school?
Does Harvard give out football scholarships?
BtC and I got into a tete a tete about this a couple of years back, so let me give you the technically correct answer: Harvard sponsors forty men's and women's intercollegiate athletics programs, and they recruit student athletes specifically to compete on those teams. However, technically speaking, the scholarships they provide their student athletes are from the academic budget. They are not an athletics expense.
Last Edited: 1/6/2018 6:01:31 PM by D.A.
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mf279801
1/6/2018 6:06 PM
Does the graduate transfer rule (that is, transferring without sitting out a year) still require that you enroll in a program of study not offered at the original institution?

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/get...
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allen
1/6/2018 6:13 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
In the recruiting process I've seen players list that that they had offers from Harvard, so I presume they do give scholarships, unless a "Harvard offer" is only an offer of admission.
That would not be a bad move for JB.
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L.C.
1/6/2018 7:46 PM
The point is that since we don't know what is most important to him, we can't accurately guess what he might do. Let's just wait and see.
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OhioCatFan
1/6/2018 10:42 PM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
At this point his dream of playing in the NFL, while not extinguished, is not as likely as it no doubt seemed three years ago. Meanwhile, to his credit, come May he will have an OSU diploma in only three years, with the upcoming opportunity of two paid-for years in graduate school. I would think that a factor in his decision would also be the quality of the graduate school. I don't know his field of study, but suppose he'd like to have an MBA, in which case, why wouldn't he consider, say, Harvard, even though it is an FCS school?
Does Harvard give out football scholarships?
BtC and I got into a tete a tete about this a couple of years back, so let me give you the technically correct answer: Harvard sponsors forty men's and women's intercollegiate athletics programs, and they recruit student athletes specifically to compete on those teams. However, technically speaking, the scholarships they provide their student athletes are from the academic budget. They are not an athletics expense.
I think that this is very much like what D3 schools do. They don't have athletic scholarship. However, athletes seem to be given preferences, in some cases, for the academic scholarships that are available. At least that's how it worked back in the day at Wittenberg where I attended for my first semester of college and one of my room mates was on the football. I also remember that the football coach came to the men's dorm early in the fall and asked if any of the new students had played high school football and would like to come out for the team. I don't think THAT happens at Harvard! The coach's name was classical football coaches name -- Bull Edwards!
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OhioCatFan
1/6/2018 11:07 PM
Just looked up Bull Edwards info on Wikipedia. I actually didn't know how illustrious his career really was. The Belichick story is probably worth the read. His first name was actually Bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Edwards_(American_foot... )

Here's a piece about him on the Wittenberg official site that mentions, among other things, his nickname, "Bull."

http://www.wittenbergtigers.com/honors/Hall_of_Honor/bios...
Last Edited: 1/6/2018 11:10:52 PM by OhioCatFan
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BillyTheCat
1/7/2018 12:53 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
In the recruiting process I've seen players list that that they had offers from Harvard, so I presume they do give scholarships, unless a "Harvard offer" is only an offer of admission.
Really????? Harvard and the IVY leagues are 0scholarships, has been for decades. He was heavily recruited by Yale though.
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BillyTheCat
1/7/2018 12:57 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
At this point his dream of playing in the NFL, while not extinguished, is not as likely as it no doubt seemed three years ago. Meanwhile, to his credit, come May he will have an OSU diploma in only three years, with the upcoming opportunity of two paid-for years in graduate school. I would think that a factor in his decision would also be the quality of the graduate school. I don't know his field of study, but suppose he'd like to have an MBA, in which case, why wouldn't he consider, say, Harvard, even though it is an FCS school?
Does Harvard give out football scholarships?
BtC and I got into a tete a tete about this a couple of years back, so let me give you the technically correct answer: Harvard sponsors forty men's and women's intercollegiate athletics programs, and they recruit student athletes specifically to compete on those teams. However, technically speaking, the scholarships they provide their student athletes are from the academic budget. They are not an athletics expense.
I think that this is very much like what D3 schools do. They don't have athletic scholarship. However, athletes seem to be given preferences, in some cases, for the academic scholarships that are available. At least that's how it worked back in the day at Wittenberg where I attended for my first semester of college and one of my room mates was on the football. I also remember that the football coach came to the men's dorm early in the fall and asked if any of the new students had played high school football and would like to come out for the team. I don't think THAT happens at Harvard! The coach's name was classical football coaches name -- Bull Edwards!
If you knew half of what you thought you did about college athletics Alabama would have a statue of you next to Bear Bryant’s. Hell there may not even be a statue of the Bear, and the Campus Bus Service would be named in your honor.
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BillyTheCat
1/7/2018 1:01 AM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
At this point his dream of playing in the NFL, while not extinguished, is not as likely as it no doubt seemed three years ago. Meanwhile, to his credit, come May he will have an OSU diploma in only three years, with the upcoming opportunity of two paid-for years in graduate school. I would think that a factor in his decision would also be the quality of the graduate school. I don't know his field of study, but suppose he'd like to have an MBA, in which case, why wouldn't he consider, say, Harvard, even though it is an FCS school?
Does Harvard give out football scholarships?
BtC and I got into a tete a tete about this a couple of years back, so let me give you the technically correct answer: Harvard sponsors forty men's and women's intercollegiate athletics programs, and they recruit student athletes specifically to compete on those teams. However, technically speaking, the scholarships they provide their student athletes are from the academic budget. They are not an athletics expense.
Harvard actually sponsors 42 non-scholarship sports. Proof in point that you continue to struggle what really goes on.
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OhioCatFan
1/7/2018 10:18 AM
BTC, I believe there is an extra spot on Mt. Rushmore being reserved just for you as the most knowledgeable person in the history of college sports.
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BillyTheCat
1/7/2018 10:29 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
BTC, I believe there is an extra spot on Mt. Rushmore being reserved just for you as the most knowledgeable person in the history of college sports.
Just like to deal in facts, I know that is something that’s looked down upon today, but the facts are facts. 42 is not 40.
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bornacatfan
1/7/2018 11:03 AM
I thought it was common knowledge the IVYs do not have athletic scholarships. Seems to come up regularly on the sports shows and telecasts of games. That said ...the recruiters will tell you the athlete's financial aid paperwork seems to float to the top of the pile as they explain the process and wink...

For the record. On the Harvard website the drop down list of sports has 40 listed while the overview say 42. Not too sure which 2 they chose to omit in the list of women's and men's sports but the ambiguity of the website is pretty glaring.
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BillyTheCat
1/7/2018 11:08 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I thought it was common knowledge the IVYs do not have athletic scholarships. Seems to come up regularly on the sports shows and telecasts of games. That said ...the recruiters will tell you the athlete's financial aid paperwork seems to float to the top of the pile as they explain the process and wink...

For the record. On the Harvard website the drop down list of sports has 40 listed while the overview say 42. Not too sure which 2 they chose to omit in the list of women's and men's sports but the ambiguity of the website is pretty glaring.
Average student at Harvard pays $5,000 per year, $9,000 at Yale. So, tuition is not that big of a deal to the students at either school. Hardest part of these schools is getting in.
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L.C.
1/7/2018 11:14 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
In the recruiting process I've seen players list that that they had offers from Harvard, so I presume they do give scholarships, unless a "Harvard offer" is only an offer of admission.
Really????? Harvard and the IVY leagues are 0scholarships, has been for decades. He was heavily recruited by Yale though.

So, an "offer" from Harvard or Yale is just an offer of guaranteed admission? Even though that isn't a full ride, if you are admitted to Harvard or Yale, it comes with the guarantee that they will provide sufficient financial assistance that you can afford it.

While this is an interesting side discussion, it doesn't change my main point. Since we have no idea what JB's utility function is, we are speculating in the dark if we try to guess what steps he might take to maximize it. In the end, we're just beating a dead horse again, as we often do on BA.
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