This is sad.

This reminds me of another very sad situation of the same type, involving our former head coach, Cleve Bryant. Though his slimy behavior finally reached the public spotlight at Texas, I've been told by numerous people that it went on at OHIO also. I had no idea about this, and no one ever told me that, until after he was fired. It's a not a good thing that we swept this under the rug for so long.

I personally feel a little guilty about this because I was a very early supporter of hiring Cleve. I contacted the AD very early in the search process and suggested Cleve Bryant as a candidate. At that point he had been a top assistant at North Carolina, had recruited some excellent players, and appeared to be a rising star in the coaching ranks. He was, of course, a legend on the field as QB here. And, when hired he was, as I recall, only the second African American head coach of a D1 school. I thought that this would be a real feather in our cap, and that it would give us a leg up in recruiting superior black athletes. These are the things I told the AD. This an example of how one can look at a situation objectively and come away with all the wrong conclusions.

Well today, after being reminded of all these things by this thread, I went back and re-read the following story. Be forewarned it contains some graphic descriptions of nasty behavior: https://tinyurl.com/ybxda4o3

I would go with this: Let the legal process work as it's supposed to. If he's convicted, he should face a harsh penalty that takes into account the position of trust that he held.

More sad news...

Former Vice-Chancellor and A.D. David Williams at Vandy passed away today, 8 days into his retirement. His retirement party was scheduled for tonight with 500+ expected to attend.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbil... /


He was also a former resident of Columbus...
https://law.vanderbilt.edu/bio/david-williams

Ok, let’s get something straight! Banging of age married women is a whole lot different than sleeping with underaged children that are under your care and influence in the public school setting. Your post clearly implies that Cleve was doing the latter, that is a very serious allegation. Did Cleve have some issues? Sure, but you are taking things into an entirely new arena by comparing these two events. Not cool

Stop the foolishness. Child Molestation/child rape isn't even on the same conversation as sleeping with consenting married adult women good lord.

As I said the stories I heard about Cleve in Athens did not involve adult, married women. And, I was not equating anything like what you are alleging. All I was saying was hearing about a former Bobcat athlete involved in a sex scandal reminded me of another former Ohio athlete who lost a job due to a sexual scandal. I wasn't making any statement that the two sexual scandals were on some kind of morally equivalent level. Neither reflects well on dear Old OHIO.

I guess I missed the part about rape. Can you point that out? As for Cleve .. total POS. What normal person 63 years old would pull down the top and bra of a 24 year old a couple years out of college who reported to him? Only a sick SOB would.

Sex with an under age minor is rape they cannot give consent. Cut his head off if found guilty but child molesters usually only get a slap on the wrist strangely.

Unless I’m mistaken, Williams also hasn’t been convicted.

You definitely compared the two situations. If the one reminded you of the other then what else could you be doing? Maybe allen wants to kick the tire on this guy as a coach? Lol

There are subtleties here in my statement and allen's that seem to be missed by some posters. Like allen, I'm going to be done with this thread. I'll just end by saying that I'm sad every time I hear about a former Bobcat athlete who does wrong. I don't immediately think -- hey, slimy behavior A is a lesser sin than slimy behavior B. If the way my mind works in remembering these things is a sin here on BA, feel free to tar and feather me in this thread to your heart's content.