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Pataskala
8/28/2019 12:06 PM
$4.5 million for three games, less the $300,000 they're paying to Kennesaw St, for a net of $4.2 million. That's ten to 15 percent of their athletics dept's budget. It also means they will probably have three brutal losses -- at ArizSt, Auburn and Wisc.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mac/2019/08/2... /
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BillyTheCat
8/29/2019 11:50 AM
Problem with this is that OHIO is making NO money, which is one reason there are budget problems. Last in the MAC in game revenue.
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Buck.Cat
8/29/2019 1:14 PM
Good for Kent. That’s how you need to schedule in order to even get into the conversation of making a NY6 bowl.
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Ohio69
8/29/2019 1:37 PM
Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
Good for Kent. That’s how you need to schedule in order to even get into the conversation of making a NY6 bowl.
Oh man this post made my afternoon....
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Mike Johnson
8/29/2019 1:44 PM
Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
Good for Kent. That’s how you need to schedule in order to even get into the conversation of making a NY6 bowl.
And the flashes are on their way to still another losing season...
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Deciduous Forest Cat
8/29/2019 2:01 PM
As I mentioned, Kent has seen a major uptick in recruiting and I wouldn't be surprised to see a decent jump in year two of the current coaching regime. We needed a last minute touchdown to pull out a hard fought win against them last season. Will they win any of those p5 games? probably not, but Buffalo and Miami are breaking in new QBs and Buffalo lost a ton of skill players, BG and Akron with new coaching staffs. Kent is not in a bad position to make some noise this year in the East.
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OU_Country
8/29/2019 3:29 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Good for Kent. That’s how you need to schedule in order to even get into the conversation of making a NY6 bowl.
Oh man this post made my afternoon....
Hahahaaaaa!
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OU_Country
8/29/2019 3:31 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Problem with this is that OHIO is making NO money, which is one reason there are budget problems. Last in the MAC in game revenue.
Who here wouldn't rather see a guarantee game than Rhode Island at home? I guess the better question is, how much will they make at home vs URI compared to a guarantee game?
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Bobcat1996
8/29/2019 3:42 PM
Kent not only loses those three non-league games, but probably gets banged up in the process. That schedule is not a recipe for success. However, whoever worked those deals for Kent did a much better job than our former AD in obtaining guarantee money. It appears many schools in the MAC get better payouts than Ohio. UNC is paying Ball St. almost a million dollars this fall compared to the $750,000 Pitt is paying Ohio. That is just one example. Hopefully the new AD will be able to negotiate better deals.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
8/29/2019 4:11 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
Kent not only loses those three non-league games, but probably gets banged up in the process.
Has anyone anywhere ever seen evidence that this happens? Is there any correlation between a lopsided score and more injuries for the losing side? I'm betting no.
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L.C.
8/29/2019 4:54 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Problem with this is that OHIO is making NO money, which is one reason there are budget problems. Last in the MAC in game revenue.
Who here wouldn't rather see a guarantee game than Rhode Island at home? I guess the better question is, how much will they make at home vs URI compared to a guarantee game?

The answer to your question is easy; Ohio will most likely lose money playing URI. Just as Ohio gets a guarantee when they play at Pitt for a one-off game, URI is paid a guarantee for playing at Ohio. I don't know the size of the guarantee Ohio is paying, but it's probably in the $250-400,000 range. I don't know how much the gate plus concessions, less expenses, ( is, for Ohio, but I'm guessing it is less than the guarantee.

On the other hand, an extra home game is always good for the Athens business community. Alan, some years ago, guessed that an extra home game is worth $500k to Athens businesses (bars, restaurants, sundries, hotels, etc).
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
8/29/2019 5:06 PM
If someone told you half the Mid-American Conference is a money laundering scheme, would anyone really blink an eye?
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IceCat76
8/29/2019 6:33 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Problem with this is that OHIO is making NO money, which is one reason there are budget problems. Last in the MAC in game revenue.
Who here wouldn't rather see a guarantee game than Rhode Island at home? I guess the better question is, how much will they make at home vs URI compared to a guarantee game?

The answer to your question is easy; Ohio will most likely lose money playing URI. Just as Ohio gets a guarantee when they play at Pitt for a one-off game, URI is paid a guarantee for playing at Ohio. I don't know the size of the guarantee Ohio is paying, but it's probably in the $250-400,000 range. I don't know how much the gate plus concessions, less expenses, ( is, for Ohio, but I'm guessing it is less than the guarantee.

On the other hand, an extra home game is always good for the Athens business community. Alan, some years ago, guessed that an extra home game is worth $500k to Athens businesses (bars, restaurants, sundries, hotels, etc).

The guarantee for Louisiana is only $200k.
I believe the guarantee is in direct correlation to the likelihood of a home team win. The more likely a win the higher the payout. Most teams won’t pay Ohio $1M if there is chance we might beat them, or at least make them work.
Last Edited: 8/29/2019 6:40:27 PM by IceCat76
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L.C.
8/29/2019 10:23 PM
IceCat76 wrote:expand_more
Problem with this is that OHIO is making NO money, which is one reason there are budget problems. Last in the MAC in game revenue.
Who here wouldn't rather see a guarantee game than Rhode Island at home? I guess the better question is, how much will they make at home vs URI compared to a guarantee game?

The answer to your question is easy; Ohio will most likely lose money playing URI. Just as Ohio gets a guarantee when they play at Pitt for a one-off game, URI is paid a guarantee for playing at Ohio. I don't know the size of the guarantee Ohio is paying, but it's probably in the $250-400,000 range. I don't know how much the gate plus concessions, less expenses, ( is, for Ohio, but I'm guessing it is less than the guarantee.

On the other hand, an extra home game is always good for the Athens business community. Alan, some years ago, guessed that an extra home game is worth $500k to Athens businesses (bars, restaurants, sundries, hotels, etc).

The guarantee for Louisiana is only $200k.
I believe the guarantee is in direct correlation to the likelihood of a home team win. The more likely a win the higher the payout. Most teams won’t pay Ohio $1M if there is chance we might beat them, or at least make them work.

The Louisiana game is not a "bought" game. It is part of a home and home, with the Bobcats visiting them in 2021.
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BuddyLee
8/29/2019 10:36 PM
We need to get back in the Ohio State schedule rotation for a big payday.
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OhioCatFan
8/29/2019 11:29 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Kent not only loses those three non-league games, but probably gets banged up in the process.
Has anyone anywhere ever seen evidence that this happens? Is there any correlation between a lopsided score and more injuries for the losing side? I'm betting no.
I believe this be one of the biggest myths of college football. For every game I've seen where the team losing the lopsided game has more injuries, I've seen one where the opposite happens.
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Pataskala
8/30/2019 11:26 AM
My question is, which is the better recruiting tool -- playing in three huge stadiums packed with hostile fans and getting your head handed to you, or playing a more winnable OOC schedule and making it to a bowl game every year or every other year? My view is that kids may remember playing against a team with more talent and more depth before 60,000 or 70,000 people who want their blood but bowl games draw NFL scouts, have more TV exposure and usually are just as memorable. If they can pull off an upset, then more power to them. But the prospects are none to good; ASU was probably their best hope and they lost by 23.
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OhioCatFan
8/30/2019 12:09 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
My question is, which is the better recruiting tool -- playing in three huge stadiums packed with hostile fans and getting your head handed to you, or playing a more winnable OOC schedule and making it to a bowl game every year or every other year? My view is that kids may remember playing against a team with more talent and more depth before 60,000 or 70,000 people who want their blood but bowl games draw NFL scouts, have more TV exposure and usually are just as memorable. If they can pull off an upset, then more power to them. But the prospects are none to good; ASU was probably their best hope and they lost by 23.
I listened to part of the KSU-ASU game and it seemed like while I was listening Kent fumbled like 8 times in six possession (only a slight exaggeration). OHIO could beat Alabama if the Tide fumbled that much. My takeaway from the time I was listening. KSU has a very good defense, as many of these turnovers lead to no points by the Wildcats. If KSU had not had a good defense the score would have been 70-7.
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Bobcat1996
8/30/2019 3:35 PM
"My question is, which is the better recruiting tool -- playing in three huge stadiums packed with hostile fans and getting your head handed to you, or playing a more winnable OOC schedule and making it to a bowl game every year or every other year? My view is that kids may remember playing against a team with more talent and more depth before 60,000 or 70,000 people who want their blood but bowl games draw NFL scouts, have more TV exposure and usually are just as memorable. If they can pull off an upset, then more power to them. But the prospects are none to good; ASU was probably their best hope and they lost by 23."

My best educated guess the better recruiting tool is winning OOC games and getting to a bowl game. Even though Kent may have not got anyone injured in the ASU game, they still face Auburn and Wisconsin in a few weeks. That schedule would be disheartening to many players.
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Alan Swank
8/30/2019 5:59 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Problem with this is that OHIO is making NO money, which is one reason there are budget problems. Last in the MAC in game revenue.
Who here wouldn't rather see a guarantee game than Rhode Island at home? I guess the better question is, how much will they make at home vs URI compared to a guarantee game?

On the other hand, an extra home game is always good for the Athens business community. Alan, some years ago, guessed that an extra home game is worth $500k to Athens businesses (bars, restaurants, sundries, hotels, etc).
I did? The fact that it's Band Day tomorrow (poor kids - temperature at kickoff will be 82) will add some money to the local economy. That said, let me talk to our economic development director next week to see what impact they guesstimate.

On a side note, there are hotel rooms available in Athens tonight and tomorrow night. Not much of an out of town crowd for this game.
Last Edited: 8/30/2019 6:09:17 PM by Alan Swank
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L.C.
8/30/2019 6:59 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I did? The fact that it's Band Day tomorrow (poor kids - temperature at kickoff will be 82) will add some money to the local economy. That said, let me talk to our economic development director next week to see what impact they guesstimate.

On a side note, there are hotel rooms available in Athens tonight and tomorrow night. Not much of an out of town crowd for this game.

It would be good to have an updated number anyway. When attendance was running 22k or so, $500k meant about $22 a person. Those who stay the night obviously spend more, and those that dash in and out spend less. I'd say anything between $10-25 per person is possible, but with attendance more like 17k now, it's possible that $300k is the correct number now.
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TWT
8/30/2019 7:53 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Kent not only loses those three non-league games, but probably gets banged up in the process.
Has anyone anywhere ever seen evidence that this happens? Is there any correlation between a lopsided score and more injuries for the losing side? I'm betting no.
I believe this be one of the biggest myths of college football. For every game I've seen where the team losing the lopsided game has more injuries, I've seen one where the opposite happens.
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OUbobcat9092
8/30/2019 8:06 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
As I mentioned, Kent has seen a major uptick in recruiting and I wouldn't be surprised to see a decent jump in year two of the current coaching regime. We needed a last minute touchdown to pull out a hard fought win against them last season. Will they win any of those p5 games? probably not, but Buffalo and Miami are breaking in new QBs and Buffalo lost a ton of skill players, BG and Akron with new coaching staffs. Kent is not in a bad position to make some noise this year in the East.
Kent St's (ASU, Wisc, Auburn) and Miami's (Iowa, Cincy, OSU) OOC schedules mean that we start most likely 2 games ahead of both of them going into MAC play.
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TWT
8/30/2019 8:07 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
My question is, which is the better recruiting tool -- playing in three huge stadiums packed with hostile fans and getting your head handed to you, or playing a more winnable OOC schedule and making it to a bowl game every year or every other year? My view is that kids may remember playing against a team with more talent and more depth before 60,000 or 70,000 people who want their blood but bowl games draw NFL scouts, have more TV exposure and usually are just as memorable. If they can pull off an upset, then more power to them. But the prospects are none to good; ASU was probably their best hope and they lost by 23.
KSU is going all out on guarantee money because they don't have any prospects for building a program there. At the same time I feel Ohio would have more respect if they stopped playing FCS, UMass, NMSU, Idaho to pad the records. It was a good idea to help build Frank's program. Moving forward Ohio is going to have 100% chance of a bowl at 6-6 and a 50% chance at 5-7. I'd say try to schedule in the best home games possible to Peden as the first priority with FCS only to fill in years where there is a gap. These P5 programs losing money on early season home games could play into our hands. What about a 2 for 1 with Florida State or LSU so they don't have to shell out the 2 million in guarantee money? I wouldn't offer 2-1 to a smaller P5 but a big one sure.
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greencat
9/4/2019 11:10 AM
Didn't Ohio play a big $$ game at Knoxville several years ago? And that was a winnable game on top of that, since the "little orange" has been a scant notch above a MAC team much of the last decade? (6 losing seasons since 2010 and started this season by losing at home to Georgia State who was 2-10 last season). Are the little orange volunteers too chicken to give Ohio another shot up on "ole rocky top" - ??? They paid Georgia State $950,000 to make the 3 hour drive up the road to beat them.

Ohio should double dog dare them to schedule the Bobcats again.
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