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BillyTheCat
10/29/2019 10:29 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
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Kevin Finnegan
10/29/2019 10:55 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
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L.C.
10/29/2019 11:05 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.

That's what I've heard as well, that Kurtis is a couple inches taller, and has a stronger arm. What I hope he has in common is his attitude.
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10/29/2019 11:29 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.

That's what I've heard as well, that Kurtis is a couple inches taller, and has a stronger arm. What I hope he has in common is his attitude.
Yep. That's something you can't coach. Nathan has been exemplary in that category since arriving in Athens. Hopefully it runs in the family
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rpbobcat
10/29/2019 11:45 AM
Going O.T. for a minute.

Was listening to an NFL coach talking about changing a Q.B.'s "mechanics".

He was talking about the Giants' new Q.B. and releasing the ball.

He was saying there are some things you just can't change.

He was referring to holding onto the ball before releasing.

Jones had been holding the ball too long.

The coach said you can teach a QB to have a faster release.

But,he said if a QB has too quick a release (happy feet) its almost
impossible to get him to change.

He also said that it can hard to convince some QB's that like to run that taking a big hit in the pros is not being tough,its risking your career.
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L.C.
10/29/2019 2:59 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
...He also said that it can hard to convince some QB's that like to run that taking a big hit in the pros is not being tough,its risking your career.

Some QBs, when they run, seem to be able to get tackled most of the time without a clean hit. Others seem to get hit hard, often. Vick, for example, always scared me because he seemed to take a lot of hard hits. In the end, though, the play he got hurt on was on a late hit, where someone rolled up and took out his knee while he was in the pocket, so you just never know.
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BillyTheCat
10/29/2019 10:34 PM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
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BillyTheCat
10/29/2019 10:37 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Going O.T. for a minute.

Was listening to an NFL coach talking about changing a Q.B.'s "mechanics".

He was talking about the Giants' new Q.B. and releasing the ball.

He was saying there are some things you just can't change.

He was referring to holding onto the ball before releasing.

Jones had been holding the ball too long.

The coach said you can teach a QB to have a faster release.

But,he said if a QB has too quick a release (happy feet) its almost
impossible to get him to change.

He also said that it can hard to convince some QB's that like to run that taking a big hit in the pros is not being tough,its risking your career.
The release is coachable, the decision making process and trigger is instincts, and when a young player is under assault and getting knocked around it often effects their decision making process.
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Kevin Finnegan
10/30/2019 10:50 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
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L.C.
10/30/2019 11:08 AM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.

Did you watch any film of Nathan at Fort Scott? He was scrambling on every play. He no doubt had some rushing yards, but he also took something like 56 sacks, which counts as negative rushing yards, offsetting the positive yards from gains he no doubt had. I will say, thought, that the fact that he threw so often, and so well, on the run at Fort Scott makes me wonder why Ohio doesn't roll him out more.

Nathan does seem to have become more comfortable in the pocket, over they years, and has gained confidence in his line to protect him. That allows him to take his time and work through is progression of receivers better than he did as a Freshman.
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BillyTheCat
10/30/2019 11:54 AM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
LOL!!!! He threw from so many yards because his legs broke down defenses and created opportunities down field by keeping plays alive. Really not that hard to understand. LC get's it.
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Kevin Finnegan
10/30/2019 12:25 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
LOL!!!! He threw from so many yards because his legs broke down defenses and created opportunities down field by keeping plays alive. Really not that hard to understand. LC get's it.
Again, not saying that he couldn't run, but something changed when he got to OHIO. He didn't run anywhere previously, at least not that much. Now at OHIO, he has put up amazing rushing statistics. If his legs 'broke down defenses', he would have the ability to run down the field as well. He didn't take that opportunity while at Fort Scott, rarely rushing and only two rushes over 20 yards his entire time there. He has had rushes for more than 20 yards in more than half of his games as a Bobcat. He's a vastly different player than we thought we were getting, as evidenced by his recruiting thread:

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

(L.C., there must've been some miscommunication on his sack statistics from that year.)

Now, if you watch Kurtis's video posted by OHIO from his recruitment, he too enjoys scrambling it appears.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1075377646266068992

In many cases (especially the last clip shown), he seems to scramble before the pressure is really on him. Yet there are not any clips of him actually running downfield, only scrambling and getting out of the pocket. I'd say, in that sense, the recruiting videos from the brothers actually seem quite similar.
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L.C.
10/30/2019 1:09 PM
There definitely was miscommunication regarding his sack statistics. If you look at the recruiting thread, on page 1, and then on page 2, I comment that the most amazing stat he had was that he had zero sacks, which would have been truly amazing considering he was running for his life on every single pass attempt. Later on it was revealed that that number was incorrect, and that he was sacked quite a bit. The 56 I cited above is from memory, and could be wrong, but considering the protection he had, has to be closer than 0.

One thing that is different for Rourke at Ohio is that, prior to Ohio, I don't think he had ever run the option before. He took to it fast, and runs it amazingly well.
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BillyTheCat
10/30/2019 1:26 PM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
LOL!!!! He threw from so many yards because his legs broke down defenses and created opportunities down field by keeping plays alive. Really not that hard to understand. LC get's it.
Again, not saying that he couldn't run, but something changed when he got to OHIO. He didn't run anywhere previously, at least not that much. Now at OHIO, he has put up amazing rushing statistics. If his legs 'broke down defenses', he would have the ability to run down the field as well. He didn't take that opportunity while at Fort Scott, rarely rushing and only two rushes over 20 yards his entire time there. He has had rushes for more than 20 yards in more than half of his games as a Bobcat. He's a vastly different player than we thought we were getting, as evidenced by his recruiting thread:

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

(L.C., there must've been some miscommunication on his sack statistics from that year.)

Now, if you watch Kurtis's video posted by OHIO from his recruitment, he too enjoys scrambling it appears.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1075377646266068992

In many cases (especially the last clip shown), he seems to scramble before the pressure is really on him. Yet there are not any clips of him actually running downfield, only scrambling and getting out of the pocket. I'd say, in that sense, the recruiting videos from the brothers actually seem quite similar.
You realize that scheme is the result of the rushing numbers. I have seen his Canadian film, Alabama HS film, and Fort Scott film, they simply did not run, he ran for his life most of the time behind some absolutely horrid o-linemen at Fort Scott, but nothing in a designed manner. OHIO's offense is a designed run scheme, has been for a long time.
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10/30/2019 1:59 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
LOL!!!! He threw from so many yards because his legs broke down defenses and created opportunities down field by keeping plays alive. Really not that hard to understand. LC get's it.
Again, not saying that he couldn't run, but something changed when he got to OHIO. He didn't run anywhere previously, at least not that much. Now at OHIO, he has put up amazing rushing statistics. If his legs 'broke down defenses', he would have the ability to run down the field as well. He didn't take that opportunity while at Fort Scott, rarely rushing and only two rushes over 20 yards his entire time there. He has had rushes for more than 20 yards in more than half of his games as a Bobcat. He's a vastly different player than we thought we were getting, as evidenced by his recruiting thread:

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

(L.C., there must've been some miscommunication on his sack statistics from that year.)

Now, if you watch Kurtis's video posted by OHIO from his recruitment, he too enjoys scrambling it appears.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1075377646266068992

In many cases (especially the last clip shown), he seems to scramble before the pressure is really on him. Yet there are not any clips of him actually running downfield, only scrambling and getting out of the pocket. I'd say, in that sense, the recruiting videos from the brothers actually seem quite similar.
You realize that scheme is the result of the rushing numbers. I have seen his Canadian film, Alabama HS film, and Fort Scott film, they simply did not run, he ran for his life most of the time behind some absolutely horrid o-linemen at Fort Scott, but nothing in a designed manner. OHIO's offense is a designed run scheme, has been for a long time.
Oh, I realize this and have watched and covered a lot of OHIO football. I've seen the films as well. This is just a disagreement that your first post stated that Kurtis is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan and that they have two different styles. From the little video we have of Kurtis, the styles actually seem rather similar (including throwing off the back foot while on the run). Kurtis will be falling into that same scheme.

You don't seem to be comprehending where I am stating the difference. Never am I saying that Nathan isn't a runner. His performance here over the last three years shows that he is exceptional at that and thoroughly entertaining. It's that, before Kurtis takes a snap at OHIO, to state that he is more of a throwing QB than his brother is lacking context. Kurtis ran more than his brother before arriving in Athens. Thus, when he becomes part of this scheme, it is quite likely that he, too, will become a dual threat QB and not solely a throwing QB. Time will tell, I guess.
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BillyTheCat
10/30/2019 2:03 PM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
LOL!!!! He threw from so many yards because his legs broke down defenses and created opportunities down field by keeping plays alive. Really not that hard to understand. LC get's it.
Again, not saying that he couldn't run, but something changed when he got to OHIO. He didn't run anywhere previously, at least not that much. Now at OHIO, he has put up amazing rushing statistics. If his legs 'broke down defenses', he would have the ability to run down the field as well. He didn't take that opportunity while at Fort Scott, rarely rushing and only two rushes over 20 yards his entire time there. He has had rushes for more than 20 yards in more than half of his games as a Bobcat. He's a vastly different player than we thought we were getting, as evidenced by his recruiting thread:

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

(L.C., there must've been some miscommunication on his sack statistics from that year.)

Now, if you watch Kurtis's video posted by OHIO from his recruitment, he too enjoys scrambling it appears.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1075377646266068992

In many cases (especially the last clip shown), he seems to scramble before the pressure is really on him. Yet there are not any clips of him actually running downfield, only scrambling and getting out of the pocket. I'd say, in that sense, the recruiting videos from the brothers actually seem quite similar.
You realize that scheme is the result of the rushing numbers. I have seen his Canadian film, Alabama HS film, and Fort Scott film, they simply did not run, he ran for his life most of the time behind some absolutely horrid o-linemen at Fort Scott, but nothing in a designed manner. OHIO's offense is a designed run scheme, has been for a long time.
Oh, I realize this and have watched and covered a lot of OHIO football. I've seen the films as well. This is just a disagreement that your first post stated that Kurtis is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan and that they have two different styles. From the little video we have of Kurtis, the styles actually seem rather similar (including throwing off the back foot while on the run). Kurtis will be falling into that same scheme.

You don't seem to be comprehending where I am stating the difference. Never am I saying that Nathan isn't a runner. His performance here over the last three years shows that he is exceptional at that and thoroughly entertaining. It's that, before Kurtis takes a snap at OHIO, to state that he is more of a throwing QB than his brother is lacking context. Kurtis ran more than his brother before arriving in Athens. Thus, when he becomes part of this scheme, it is quite likely that he, too, will become a dual threat QB and not solely a throwing QB. Time will tell, I guess.
(Bangs head against the wall!!!!) Have you been to practices? Charted throws? Seen what is happening? I watch it every day. Kurtis is a better throwing QB than his brother. Which is what I stated originally.
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bobcatsquared
10/30/2019 3:36 PM
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(Bangs head against the wall!!!!) Have you been to practices? Charted throws? Seen what is happening? I watch it every day. Kurtis is a better throwing QB than his brother. Which is what I stated originally.
What we all really want to know is which one of you two has watched more film of the brothers? Gotta love these BA pissing matches.
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10/30/2019 3:40 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
LOL!!!! He threw from so many yards because his legs broke down defenses and created opportunities down field by keeping plays alive. Really not that hard to understand. LC get's it.
Again, not saying that he couldn't run, but something changed when he got to OHIO. He didn't run anywhere previously, at least not that much. Now at OHIO, he has put up amazing rushing statistics. If his legs 'broke down defenses', he would have the ability to run down the field as well. He didn't take that opportunity while at Fort Scott, rarely rushing and only two rushes over 20 yards his entire time there. He has had rushes for more than 20 yards in more than half of his games as a Bobcat. He's a vastly different player than we thought we were getting, as evidenced by his recruiting thread:

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

(L.C., there must've been some miscommunication on his sack statistics from that year.)

Now, if you watch Kurtis's video posted by OHIO from his recruitment, he too enjoys scrambling it appears.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1075377646266068992

In many cases (especially the last clip shown), he seems to scramble before the pressure is really on him. Yet there are not any clips of him actually running downfield, only scrambling and getting out of the pocket. I'd say, in that sense, the recruiting videos from the brothers actually seem quite similar.
You realize that scheme is the result of the rushing numbers. I have seen his Canadian film, Alabama HS film, and Fort Scott film, they simply did not run, he ran for his life most of the time behind some absolutely horrid o-linemen at Fort Scott, but nothing in a designed manner. OHIO's offense is a designed run scheme, has been for a long time.
Oh, I realize this and have watched and covered a lot of OHIO football. I've seen the films as well. This is just a disagreement that your first post stated that Kurtis is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan and that they have two different styles. From the little video we have of Kurtis, the styles actually seem rather similar (including throwing off the back foot while on the run). Kurtis will be falling into that same scheme.

You don't seem to be comprehending where I am stating the difference. Never am I saying that Nathan isn't a runner. His performance here over the last three years shows that he is exceptional at that and thoroughly entertaining. It's that, before Kurtis takes a snap at OHIO, to state that he is more of a throwing QB than his brother is lacking context. Kurtis ran more than his brother before arriving in Athens. Thus, when he becomes part of this scheme, it is quite likely that he, too, will become a dual threat QB and not solely a throwing QB. Time will tell, I guess.
(Bangs head against the wall!!!!) Have you been to practices? Charted throws? Seen what is happening? I watch it every day. Kurtis is a better throwing QB than his brother. Which is what I stated originally.
I haven't been to a practice in awhile, but I've heard from many who have that Kurtis is more of a passing QB. In fact, one person told me that he was a "pocket passer" and had more NFL potential. Again, I haven't seen him myself, but this does seem to be the conventional wisdom. I'm sure in the OHIO offense that he'll learn how to do the RPO and he'll make some nice runs, but the offense would have, if these reports are correct, a slightly different look if younger brother follows older brother as the starting QB. I think that's all the BTC was trying to say, though he has more personal observation to back up his assertions.
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10/30/2019 3:45 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
LOL!!!! He threw from so many yards because his legs broke down defenses and created opportunities down field by keeping plays alive. Really not that hard to understand. LC get's it.
Again, not saying that he couldn't run, but something changed when he got to OHIO. He didn't run anywhere previously, at least not that much. Now at OHIO, he has put up amazing rushing statistics. If his legs 'broke down defenses', he would have the ability to run down the field as well. He didn't take that opportunity while at Fort Scott, rarely rushing and only two rushes over 20 yards his entire time there. He has had rushes for more than 20 yards in more than half of his games as a Bobcat. He's a vastly different player than we thought we were getting, as evidenced by his recruiting thread:

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

(L.C., there must've been some miscommunication on his sack statistics from that year.)

Now, if you watch Kurtis's video posted by OHIO from his recruitment, he too enjoys scrambling it appears.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1075377646266068992

In many cases (especially the last clip shown), he seems to scramble before the pressure is really on him. Yet there are not any clips of him actually running downfield, only scrambling and getting out of the pocket. I'd say, in that sense, the recruiting videos from the brothers actually seem quite similar.
You realize that scheme is the result of the rushing numbers. I have seen his Canadian film, Alabama HS film, and Fort Scott film, they simply did not run, he ran for his life most of the time behind some absolutely horrid o-linemen at Fort Scott, but nothing in a designed manner. OHIO's offense is a designed run scheme, has been for a long time.
Oh, I realize this and have watched and covered a lot of OHIO football. I've seen the films as well. This is just a disagreement that your first post stated that Kurtis is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan and that they have two different styles. From the little video we have of Kurtis, the styles actually seem rather similar (including throwing off the back foot while on the run). Kurtis will be falling into that same scheme.

You don't seem to be comprehending where I am stating the difference. Never am I saying that Nathan isn't a runner. His performance here over the last three years shows that he is exceptional at that and thoroughly entertaining. It's that, before Kurtis takes a snap at OHIO, to state that he is more of a throwing QB than his brother is lacking context. Kurtis ran more than his brother before arriving in Athens. Thus, when he becomes part of this scheme, it is quite likely that he, too, will become a dual threat QB and not solely a throwing QB. Time will tell, I guess.
(Bangs head against the wall!!!!) Have you been to practices? Charted throws? Seen what is happening? I watch it every day. Kurtis is a better throwing QB than his brother. Which is what I stated originally.
Dear Uncle Rico,

I hope you're right. I hope that Kurtis is a better throwing QB than his brother. Nathan will finish second in OHIO history in passing yards and either first or second in passing TDs. If his brother is able to exceed that, I think we need to ask the Rourke family to have some more boys and just go ahead and name them Bobcat. I'd love a copy of all those charted throws, that really sounds like some interesting time spent by a fan crashing practice. Crazy me to use facts and stats in a discussion. If only I'd had the charts.
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10/30/2019 7:35 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
LOL!!!! He threw from so many yards because his legs broke down defenses and created opportunities down field by keeping plays alive. Really not that hard to understand. LC get's it.
Again, not saying that he couldn't run, but something changed when he got to OHIO. He didn't run anywhere previously, at least not that much. Now at OHIO, he has put up amazing rushing statistics. If his legs 'broke down defenses', he would have the ability to run down the field as well. He didn't take that opportunity while at Fort Scott, rarely rushing and only two rushes over 20 yards his entire time there. He has had rushes for more than 20 yards in more than half of his games as a Bobcat. He's a vastly different player than we thought we were getting, as evidenced by his recruiting thread:

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

(L.C., there must've been some miscommunication on his sack statistics from that year.)

Now, if you watch Kurtis's video posted by OHIO from his recruitment, he too enjoys scrambling it appears.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1075377646266068992

In many cases (especially the last clip shown), he seems to scramble before the pressure is really on him. Yet there are not any clips of him actually running downfield, only scrambling and getting out of the pocket. I'd say, in that sense, the recruiting videos from the brothers actually seem quite similar.
You realize that scheme is the result of the rushing numbers. I have seen his Canadian film, Alabama HS film, and Fort Scott film, they simply did not run, he ran for his life most of the time behind some absolutely horrid o-linemen at Fort Scott, but nothing in a designed manner. OHIO's offense is a designed run scheme, has been for a long time.
Oh, I realize this and have watched and covered a lot of OHIO football. I've seen the films as well. This is just a disagreement that your first post stated that Kurtis is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan and that they have two different styles. From the little video we have of Kurtis, the styles actually seem rather similar (including throwing off the back foot while on the run). Kurtis will be falling into that same scheme.

You don't seem to be comprehending where I am stating the difference. Never am I saying that Nathan isn't a runner. His performance here over the last three years shows that he is exceptional at that and thoroughly entertaining. It's that, before Kurtis takes a snap at OHIO, to state that he is more of a throwing QB than his brother is lacking context. Kurtis ran more than his brother before arriving in Athens. Thus, when he becomes part of this scheme, it is quite likely that he, too, will become a dual threat QB and not solely a throwing QB. Time will tell, I guess.
(Bangs head against the wall!!!!) Have you been to practices? Charted throws? Seen what is happening? I watch it every day. Kurtis is a better throwing QB than his brother. Which is what I stated originally.
I haven't been to a practice in awhile, but I've heard from many who have that Kurtis is more of a passing QB. In fact, one person told me that he was a "pocket passer" and had more NFL potential. Again, I haven't seen him myself, but this does seem to be the conventional wisdom. I'm sure in the OHIO offense that he'll learn how to do the RPO and he'll make some nice runs, but the offense would have, if these reports are correct, a slightly different look if younger brother follows older brother as the starting QB. I think that's all the BTC was trying to say, though he has more personal observation to back up his assertions.
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10/30/2019 7:38 PM
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He is awesome. I am glad to see so many of us appreciate what we have. I only wish he was paired with some of our more talented (especially defensively) teams of yesteryear. I hope his brother ends up exactly like him.
Who knows, his brother might be better. I thought I read somewhere that his arm is a bit stronger than his brother's and he's taller. He might be more of a classic pocket passer than Nathan is.

Great thread and totally agree about Nathan and TT; Ohio is lucky to have had both as QBs. To each their own, I think TT was a better "pure passer" during the 2.5 dominant years BShot mentions than Nathan is, although Nathan has been a gamer for a longer period of time. TT was better in the bowl games than Nathan has been to date (please, that last game winning drive in 2011 against Utah State in the Potato Bowl was something special). Nathan was rather pedestrian in the Frisco Bowl; AJ and the O-line carried the day that day.

But, who cares; its all semantics anyway. I agree, if Nathan's able to carry this team to a MACC, he is probably the greatest QB in Ohio history.
Brother is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan, really two different styles.
Not sure how true it is that Nathan is more of the running quarterback coming into the program.

At Fort Scott for his freshman year, Nathan averaged 2.5 yards rushing PER GAME. He had a total of 27 yards rushing from his entire season. He did not come to us as a running quarterback. That seemed more of Maxwell's calling card, whereas Nathan was a passing QB (averaged 215 YPG at Fort Scott through the air). In his senior year of HS, Nathan had 3768 yards passing, 385 yards rushing (290 yards per game passing, 30 yards per game rushing).

Looking at Kurtis's biography from Ohio Bobcat page, he had 4,250 yards passing and 705 yards rushing. I'd say that their games coming into the program, at least statistic-wise, are very similar, though Kurtis has a little more evidence of a desire to run than Nathan. As to whether he'll have such elusiveness and instincts, I don't think that's something you'll know until he gets into gameplay. That's not something that can be really seen through practice.
The regular posters of this board would be a better OL than Nathan played behind at Fort Scott. He was running for his life at times when the snap reached his hands, which is one reason he struggles in the pocket v being on the edge. But don’t take my word for it, LC shares the same thought through his connections.
This, too, doesn't really make sense. If his O-Line was so bad at Fort Scott, how was he still able to pass for 215 yards a game? With a bad O-line, why wasn't he scrambling more, thus having more rushing yards?

I'm not saying that Kurtis will also be a runner, I'm saying that nothing in our information about Nathan before he arrived at OHIO showed that he would likely put up such rushing stats. He wasn't a runner in HS, he wasn't a runner at Fort Scott. Then, he got to OHIO, and he seemed to change his style in a way that has made him remarkable. Will Kurtis do the same? He rushed more in HS than his brother, so there's some reason to believe that may be the case. We really won't know until/if he gets game action.
LOL!!!! He threw from so many yards because his legs broke down defenses and created opportunities down field by keeping plays alive. Really not that hard to understand. LC get's it.
Again, not saying that he couldn't run, but something changed when he got to OHIO. He didn't run anywhere previously, at least not that much. Now at OHIO, he has put up amazing rushing statistics. If his legs 'broke down defenses', he would have the ability to run down the field as well. He didn't take that opportunity while at Fort Scott, rarely rushing and only two rushes over 20 yards his entire time there. He has had rushes for more than 20 yards in more than half of his games as a Bobcat. He's a vastly different player than we thought we were getting, as evidenced by his recruiting thread:

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

(L.C., there must've been some miscommunication on his sack statistics from that year.)

Now, if you watch Kurtis's video posted by OHIO from his recruitment, he too enjoys scrambling it appears.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1075377646266068992

In many cases (especially the last clip shown), he seems to scramble before the pressure is really on him. Yet there are not any clips of him actually running downfield, only scrambling and getting out of the pocket. I'd say, in that sense, the recruiting videos from the brothers actually seem quite similar.
You realize that scheme is the result of the rushing numbers. I have seen his Canadian film, Alabama HS film, and Fort Scott film, they simply did not run, he ran for his life most of the time behind some absolutely horrid o-linemen at Fort Scott, but nothing in a designed manner. OHIO's offense is a designed run scheme, has been for a long time.
Oh, I realize this and have watched and covered a lot of OHIO football. I've seen the films as well. This is just a disagreement that your first post stated that Kurtis is much more of a throwing QB than Nathan and that they have two different styles. From the little video we have of Kurtis, the styles actually seem rather similar (including throwing off the back foot while on the run). Kurtis will be falling into that same scheme.

You don't seem to be comprehending where I am stating the difference. Never am I saying that Nathan isn't a runner. His performance here over the last three years shows that he is exceptional at that and thoroughly entertaining. It's that, before Kurtis takes a snap at OHIO, to state that he is more of a throwing QB than his brother is lacking context. Kurtis ran more than his brother before arriving in Athens. Thus, when he becomes part of this scheme, it is quite likely that he, too, will become a dual threat QB and not solely a throwing QB. Time will tell, I guess.
(Bangs head against the wall!!!!) Have you been to practices? Charted throws? Seen what is happening? I watch it every day. Kurtis is a better throwing QB than his brother. Which is what I stated originally.
Dear Uncle Rico,

I hope you're right. I hope that Kurtis is a better throwing QB than his brother. Nathan will finish second in OHIO history in passing yards and either first or second in passing TDs. If his brother is able to exceed that, I think we need to ask the Rourke family to have some more boys and just go ahead and name them Bobcat. I'd love a copy of all those charted throws, that really sounds like some interesting time spent by a fan crashing practice. Crazy me to use facts and stats in a discussion. If only I'd had the charts.
I shall refer you to OCF and the friends he has that watch practice, some, every day. How many have you seen? How many first hand accounts do you have of the brother throwing? I’ll wait for your “facts”.
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BillyTheCat
10/30/2019 7:38 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
(Bangs head against the wall!!!!) Have you been to practices? Charted throws? Seen what is happening? I watch it every day. Kurtis is a better throwing QB than his brother. Which is what I stated originally.
What we all really want to know is which one of you two has watched more film of the brothers? Gotta love these BA pissing matches.
For some it happens to be a job.
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Andrew Ruck
10/31/2019 8:48 AM
I'm just here to say please stop quoting 12 a 12 deep thread. It took me an hour to scroll thru all that (yes I am exaggerating).
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OhioCatFan
10/31/2019 10:58 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I'm just here to say please stop quoting 12 a 12 deep thread. It took me an hour to scroll thru all that (yes I am exaggerating).
We don't do that often, but when we do, we do it in honor of Monroe!
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L.C.
10/31/2019 1:42 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I'm just here to say please stop quoting 12 a 12 deep thread. It took me an hour to scroll thru all that (yes I am exaggerating).

Think of it as quote box art, and as unique to BA.
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