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Posted: 9/22/2025 12:45 PM
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What if the 110 leaves debris on the field that creates player safety issues? Was that the AD's fault or perhaps the band doesn't understand the value of our athletes?
I would also like to know what kind of debris, left by the 110, could "destroy" the synthetic turf ?
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Posted: 9/22/2025 12:46 PM
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Dispatch now reporting it. Although, the Ohio Spokesperson is flat out wrong on the housing. They told the 110 members to find their own housing Friday night. Some members were from Columbus and could crash at home or with friends. Others were housed by Olentangy Orange HS band families. I kind of question some of the other figures and who paid for them.

Why did Ohio University’s Marching 110 sit in C Deck during the Ohio State football game?

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/college/2025/09/16/... /
They sat up there because Ohio gave the good seats to donors and people they were trying to cultivate for future donations.

We have to pay for the new field hockey field the 110 destroyed somehow.
Field Hockey plays on Pruitt Field.

Its synthetic turf.

Can't see how the 110 damaged, let alone destroyed it.
Ask anyone in the athletic department how the feel like the 110 treated the field hockey field which they practiced on.

While you're at it, ask how they feel about the 110. It's not pretty.
Seems to me this is just one more indication of a problem in the AD's office. Hopefully, the new AD will straighten things out.
Now you sound like 1996. Was there an issue in the AD’s office or not? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Posted: 9/22/2025 12:48 PM
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What if the 110 leaves debris on the field that creates player safety issues? Was that the AD's fault or perhaps the band doesn't understand the value of our athletes?
The statement made by Mr. Burner was that the folks in the AD's office badmouth the 110 in general, not just over the alleged trashing of the practice field. That's what I was reacting to. If the statement is true, it's a real problem.
Take a deep breath, man. I know you really, really like finding reasons to get riled up about Ohio University administrators. But it can't be good for your health, and there's no way there's enough information in this thread for anybody to conclude there's "a problem with the AD's office".
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Posted: 9/22/2025 1:49 PM
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What if the 110 leaves debris on the field that creates player safety issues? Was that the AD's fault or perhaps the band doesn't understand the value of our athletes?
The statement made by Mr. Burner was that the folks in the AD's office badmouth the 110 in general, not just over the alleged trashing of the practice field. That's what I was reacting to. If the statement is true, it's a real problem.
I don't think it's bad mouthing but find them hard/impossible to work with. The band is not part of athletics but takes a significant amount of resources up. From seats, practice time, travel etc. Dr. Suk is a great man and great at what he does. I believe the issue comes from an assistant band director that is no longer at the university. I hope the athletic department figures out a way to work with the band better, as they are a great asset to the entire university.

Also -- the athletic director is rarely working with the band. We don't want the AD dealing with the band. It wasn't her.
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Posted: 9/22/2025 1:57 PM
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What if the 110 leaves debris on the field that creates player safety issues? Was that the AD's fault or perhaps the band doesn't understand the value of our athletes?
The statement made by Mr. Burner was that the folks in the AD's office badmouth the 110 in general, not just over the alleged trashing of the practice field. That's what I was reacting to. If the statement is true, it's a real problem.
I don't think it's bad mouthing but find them hard/impossible to work with. The band is not part of athletics but takes a significant amount of resources up. From seats, practice time, travel etc. Dr. Suk is a great man and great at what he does. I believe the issue comes from an assistant band director that is no longer at the university. I hope the athletic department figures out a way to work with the band better, as they are a great asset to the entire university.

Also -- the athletic director is rarely working with the band. We don't want the AD dealing with the band. It wasn't her.
In my 30+ years of experience, you ain’t wrong there.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 8:50 AM
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I believe the issue comes from an assistant band director that is no longer at the university. I hope the athletic department figures out a way to work with the band better, as they are a great asset to the entire university.
Boy I would LOVE to hear the basis for this comment.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 8:52 AM
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What if the 110 leaves debris on the field that creates player safety issues? Was that the AD's fault or perhaps the band doesn't understand the value of our athletes?
The statement made by Mr. Burner was that the folks in the AD's office badmouth the 110 in general, not just over the alleged trashing of the practice field. That's what I was reacting to. If the statement is true, it's a real problem.
I don't think it's bad mouthing but find them hard/impossible to work with. The band is not part of athletics but takes a significant amount of resources up. From seats, practice time, travel etc. Dr. Suk is a great man and great at what he does. I believe the issue comes from an assistant band director that is no longer at the university. I hope the athletic department figures out a way to work with the band better, as they are a great asset to the entire university.

Also -- the athletic director is rarely working with the band. We don't want the AD dealing with the band. It wasn't her.
So why isn't this a case of the band admin. figuring out how to work with the athletic department better? Is the band a sacred cow?
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Posted: 9/23/2025 9:26 AM
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What if the 110 leaves debris on the field that creates player safety issues? Was that the AD's fault or perhaps the band doesn't understand the value of our athletes?
The statement made by Mr. Burner was that the folks in the AD's office badmouth the 110 in general, not just over the alleged trashing of the practice field. That's what I was reacting to. If the statement is true, it's a real problem.
I don't think it's bad mouthing but find them hard/impossible to work with. The band is not part of athletics but takes a significant amount of resources up. From seats, practice time, travel etc. Dr. Suk is a great man and great at what he does. I believe the issue comes from an assistant band director that is no longer at the university. I hope the athletic department figures out a way to work with the band better, as they are a great asset to the entire university.

Also -- the athletic director is rarely working with the band. We don't want the AD dealing with the band. It wasn't her.
So why isn't this a case of the band admin. figuring out how to work with the athletic department better? Is the band a sacred cow?
Based on how the Administration has treated the 110 in the past, "Sacred Cow" is
not how I describe their treatment.

Back in 2019 the administration seemed to have a vandetta against the 110 including going after members for their tradition of dirtying their jackets.

I read some of the minutes of the hearings against members.
Triple hearsay was allowed.

Kangaroo court is an understatement.

Bobcat110 had 2 daughters in the 110.
He can give you the inside story of how they were treated.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 10:27 AM
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OK, but again, this is not on the AD.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 10:44 AM
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OK, but again, this is not on the AD.
Any administrator is ultimately responsible for what subordinates do. Why so protective of the AD?
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Posted: 9/23/2025 10:57 AM
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I read some of the minutes of the hearings against members.
Triple hearsay was allowed.

Kangaroo court is an understatement.
Making judgements on hearsay? You don't say!
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Posted: 9/23/2025 11:09 AM
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I read some of the minutes of the hearings against members.
Triple hearsay was allowed.

Kangaroo court is an understatement.
Making judgements on hearsay? You don't say!
As I've posted ,I do a lot of expert testimony in civil and criminal cases.

Hearsay is almost never admissible.

In my experience, double or triple hearsay, never.

O.U.'s administration acted like the 110 members were guilty of something,
which turned out to be 100% wrong.

Ask any member of he 110 at the time and they'll tell you it was nothing but
a witch hunt.

They were treated like criminals.

As I said, the 110 members weren't even allowed to follow their
tradition of dirtying their jackets.
Its their jacket, but that didn't seem to matter.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 12:26 PM
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Any administrator is ultimately responsible for what subordinates do. Why so protective of the AD?
Pretty sure SBH is pointing out -- again -- that the 110 is not part of the athletic department and therefore none of this has to do with the AD.

When they were investigated for hazing -- and boy is it exciting that we're talking about that again -- it was overseen by Jenny Hall-Jones, and I don't recall there being any involvement from the ADs office. It would be weird if there had been, given that the 110 isn't part of the athletic department.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 12:28 PM
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OK, but again, this is not on the AD.
Any administrator is ultimately responsible for what subordinates do. Why so protective of the AD?
Because someone finally donated their way to a seat at the table.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 1:05 PM
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Any administrator is ultimately responsible for what subordinates do. Why so protective of the AD?
Pretty sure SBH is pointing out -- again -- that the 110 is not part of the athletic department and therefore none of this has to do with the AD.

When they were investigated for hazing -- and boy is it exciting that we're talking about that again -- it was overseen by Jenny Hall-Jones, and I don't recall there being any involvement from the ADs office. It would be weird if there had been, given that the 110 isn't part of the athletic department.
100% correct.

The "hazing investigation" was all handled by Ms. Jones not the Athletic
department.

Ms. Jones, who replaced Jason Pina , was no friend of the 110 and seemed intent on hurting them.

The "hazing" investigation showed that.

She seemed to keep dragging out the investigation into the 110.

If I remember correctly she was only in the interim VP for student affairs
for less then 2 years before she left for Grand Valley State University.

I don't think you'll find any member of the 110 or their families who has
positive things to say about her.

Also, if I recall correctly, the extensive investigation didn't find any evidence of hazing on the part of any member of the 110.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 1:19 PM
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Any administrator is ultimately responsible for what subordinates do. Why so protective of the AD?
Pretty sure SBH is pointing out -- again -- that the 110 is not part of the athletic department and therefore none of this has to do with the AD.

When they were investigated for hazing -- and boy is it exciting that we're talking about that again -- it was overseen by Jenny Hall-Jones, and I don't recall there being any involvement from the ADs office. It would be weird if there had been, given that the 110 isn't part of the athletic department.
But, you are late to the discussion. Burner said that a former assistant AD had had caused some tension with the band. Last I looked that would be a subordinate of the AD. That's what the recent discussion was about. No one has said that the AD's office is in-charge of the band. Some folks just like to read things into discussion that aren't there. So, why are you also so protective of the AD?
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Posted: 9/23/2025 1:44 PM
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As a former member of the BOT once told several alumni at the Charles Ping retirement party in Cleveland, "Despite all our efforts, the one consistently elite characteristic of our university is the pettiness of its local community." OCF is Exhibit 1.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 1:55 PM
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But, you are late to the discussion. Burner said that a former assistant AD had had caused some tension with the band. Last I looked that would be a subordinate of the AD. That's what the recent discussion was about. No one has said that the AD's office is in-charge of the band. Some folks just like to read things into discussion that aren't there. So, why are you also so protective of the AD?
You might want to re-read what Burner said. He said it was a former assistant Band Director that was the problem, not an assistant AD.

Like I said earlier: take a deep breath. We've all watched you bend over backwards to blame things on the former AD for years. This thread is a perfect example. There's no connection to the AD, that's been explained, and you didn't read closely enough and now are insisting others are "protective of the AD" because they're not following your weird, creepy obsession with Julie Cromer.

"Some folks just like to read things into discussion that aren't there", indeed. Get a grip.
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You might want to re-read what Burner said. He said it was a former assistant Band Director that was the problem, not an assistant AD.
Still waiting to hear what proof/examples he can share to support this claim.
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But, you are late to the discussion. Burner said that a former assistant AD had had caused some tension with the band. Last I looked that would be a subordinate of the AD. That's what the recent discussion was about. No one has said that the AD's office is in-charge of the band. Some folks just like to read things into discussion that aren't there. So, why are you also so protective of the AD?
You might want to re-read what Burner said. He said it was a former assistant Band Director that was the problem, not an assistant AD.

Like I said earlier: take a deep breath. We've all watched you bend over backwards to blame things on the former AD for years. This thread is a perfect example. There's no connection to the AD, that's been explained, and you didn't read closely enough and now are insisting others are "protective of the AD" because they're not following your weird, creepy obsession with Julie Cromer.

"Some folks just like to read things into discussion that aren't there", indeed. Get a grip.
You are correct, it was a former band assistant who Burner referred to. My Bad! However, why did this level of tension exist for such a period of time? A good administrator would have nipped it in the bud.

SBH, glad I can add "Exhibit #1" to my resume.
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You are correct, it was a former band assistant who Burner referred to. My Bad! However, why did this level of tension exist for such a period of time? A good administrator would have nipped it in the bud.
I agree that somebody should look into Richard Suk's leadership.
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Posted: 9/23/2025 3:03 PM
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You are correct, it was a former band assistant who Burner referred to. My Bad! However, why did this level of tension exist for such a period of time? A good administrator would have nipped it in the bud.
I agree that somebody should look into Richard Suk's leadership.
I hope this is sarcasm.

I've known Dr. Suk since he became Director of the 110.

In my opinion he is the best Director since Ronald Socciarelli.

He put the 110 on the map by having them play at Numerous NFL games plus the Macy's and Tournament of Roses parades.
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I hope this is sarcasm.

I've known Dr. Suk since he became Director of the 110.

In my opinion he is the best Director since Ronald Socciarelli.

He put the 110 on the map by having them play at Numerous NFL games plus the Macy's and Tournament of Roses parades.
You're gonna have to take that up with OCF. To quote him from earlier in the thread:

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Any administrator is ultimately responsible for what subordinates do.
And unfortunately, one of Suk's subordinates seems to have been a real challenge to deal with. Earlier in the thread, when OCF thought the problem was an Associate AD, it was the AD's fault. So, logically, it follows that in this case it's Suk's fault.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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Would like to know who they are referring to.

The only prominent Asst director I can think of was Josh Boyer who still does works with the 110.

I've met him a number of times.
Super nice guy. Never heard anyone say a bad word about him.

If anyone knows any different, please post.
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Would like to know who they are referring to.

The only prominent Asst director I can think of was Josh Boyer who still does works with the 110.

I've met him a number of times.
Super nice guy. Never heard anyone say a bad word about him.

If anyone knows any different, please post.
Why so protective of 110 leadership??????

Also, before you pass judgment on this unnamed worker, isn't important that you know their race/gender/sexual orientation so you can decide whether or not they were a DEI hire?
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