Folks,

Hope you all have a great weekend! Stay safe. Wear masks, not a sign of weakness, a sign you are willing to protect others! I want see OHIO play football and basketball! To do this we need to follow non-partisan science. I want OHIO to open safely, so I am not fearful of attending a 2020 football kickoff! Let’s do this right!!


Ed

If you truly want to be scientific and data driven, you would have a better chance of being injured in a car crash on your way to Peden than catching the virus on a warm September day. The studies show that it is almost impossible for the virus to survive in that kind of environment. I will be there and hopefully so will lots of others.

I am curious if anyone thought twice about coming to Peden during the H2N2 1957 virus and the 1968 H3N2 virus?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic....

The Corona Virus task force studies done at Fort Detrick (Maryland Research Facility.) Virus can last hours in a meat packing plant, only two minutes in summer sun. Pretty common knowledge stuff, which is why Germany is opening schools and youth sports.
https://www.france24.com/en/20200424-usa-coronavirus-covi...

Not on the self appointed expert class, only the real experts. It takes a little critical thinking to know the difference.

We will know a lot more by fall about what works, and what isn't a good idea.

To make it simply, why don't we cut and paste from another thread all of these arguments both for and against what is being done and what has been done. Until then, I'm wearing a mask if I ever enter another public building (only been in three since March 17).

Yep, agreed. It seems like a key tenant of a safe re-opening. Unfortunately, wearing masks has already been politicized and there are folks (mostly) on the right who are pushing back on mask requirements as an infringement on their freedom. Groups have arranged Costco boycotts because Costco has required masks, the President has been clear that he won't wear a mask in public because it "presents the wrong image", and there's a crazy 29 minute Loose Change style documentary going around about how masks actually "activate" the virus and are causing spread.

I understand -- even if I don't fully agree -- when people say that the economic toll may be worse than the public health toll, and we've got to reopen. I understand why people are frustrated and scared. What I don't understand, at all, is how many people seem to feel that the only way to re-open is to ignore the threat at all. No testing, no masks, no distancing. That feels like a view that's disconnected from reality. Longing for things to go back to how they were makes perfect sense. But things will be and have to be different until there's a vaccine and the infrastructure to administer said vaccine.

The abuse of both may eventually kill us. We need to get over this "well it's my rights" attitude.

Nobody is going to run on that but this me first, me second and the hell with you attitude may eventually kill us. Sometimes our freedoms and how so many abuse them are our own worst enemy. To invoke the Bible - Matthew 7:12 In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets. Not wearing a mask in crowded spaces surely violates that tenet of decency.

Yet none of those clowns can show how masks are a violation of freedoms. If a baker can refuse a cake,a store owner can deny service based on a mask in a pandemic.

Not one freedom of the constitution has been abridged. Furthermore of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights none has ever been proven to be an absolute amendment. Only the 3rd was has never been challenged. with the other nine, we constitution clearly decided they are not absolute

It's very, very surprising that you've changed the subject. But yeah, you've got your finger on the pulse, for sure. The defining issue of this election's definitely going to be Michael Flynn and not the fact that we're in a global depression and 2,000 Americans are dying everyday. It's almost like, oh I dunno, the entire Michael Flynn thing was a desperate attempt to change the subject by the administration, too.

There's no defending Trump's handling of this. If there were, you wouldn't keep obviously avoiding it over and over.

Alan brings up an interesting point; the truth. When Jesus uttered those famous words he was living in a system where the Pharisees had lost their popularity because of their hypocrisy. Jesus challenged them many times while only butting heads with the Sadducces once. They Pharisees didn't much like the Sadducees and they refused to be challenged by the likes of Jesus or anyone else. The Romans certainly weren't going to challenged and they had horrendously evil ways of dealing with those who did. The point being if you don't let others state their facts, you end up paying a price in the end. Joseph Stalin thought he had the upper hand on squelching faith in the USSR when he famously asked, how many divisions does the pope have? I am sure old Uncle Joe is even more miserable in hell than one might otherwise expect knowing the Russian Orthodox Patriarch has more power and influence in Russia than any bishop or cardinal does in any western country.

The problem with the those who refuse to accept anyone's opinion but the self appointed media's hand picked stars is that eventually some of their theories are going to be proven wrong. Dr. Fauci warned this might happen and has stated he may be wrong on occasion. He has on numerous occasions stating in February that the virus was nothing to be worried about, and then in early March saying lock downs wouldn't be necessary. Senator Rand Paul caused a stir in the Senate Health care hearing the other days when he not only took on the good doctor, but brought up the Swedish model which has been mocked by much of the health care elites.

Yet Stockholm's chief Epidemiologist says the city will be at herd immunity in about one month. This means if there is a second wave, they will be by and large protected, he said. He concluded that short of a vaccine this is the only way to root out the virus, keep the vulnerable protected and the healthy out and about in public. Again, a theory but not any less valuable than permanent lock downs. You can find plenty of credible people online who say wearing a mask in a cold meat packing plant is wise, but far less wise in the summer heat where the virus has a hard time surviving for more than a couple of minutes with direct contact. The long and short of it that for whatever reason, some in the media have picked their favorites and anyone who doesn't toe their line is uncaring, unsafe and unscientific, no matter the credentials they may possess.