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Pataskala
10/26/2020 10:44 PM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
Just wondering after reading the thread: Is the 110 toast? Or rather will the future 110 be much different than the traditional?

After the suspension it would appear that the administration is very content to have the band suspension continue conveniently without calling it a suspension. The longer the administration can keep band members apart the quicker dies tradition.

At other campuses the student bodies have thought of band members as the artsy, un-athletic, whimps. While at OU the band had a certain connection to being an in your face model of what it's like to be a college student. Will the swag disappear? Add that Rock n Roll isn't knocking out hit after hit, what will be the band's music that attracted student fans by playing relevant tunes of the day vs "How much is that Doggy in the Winder".

What is the likelihood that when Doctor Suk leaves the band will carry on? Perhaps the administration will want to dampen enthusiasm by hiring a Corps band style director. The administration would probably be very happy with a band less then half the size to minimize the probability of negative member violations of the ALL important student code of conduct.
The result of any of this would be ZERO students and maybe 5,000 alumni/other fans at games. Might as well play at Athens High.

BTW, in the late '70s I was at a home game vs WMU. For some reason WMU's band was there and performed at halftime. They actually played "Whistle While You Work" while marching from one formation to the next. How Mickey Mouse can you get!
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rpbobcat
10/27/2020 7:15 AM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
Just wondering after reading the thread: Is the 110 toast? Or rather will the future 110 be much different than the traditional?

After the suspension it would appear that the administration is very content to have the band suspension continue conveniently without calling it a suspension. The longer the administration can keep band members apart the quicker dies tradition.

At other campuses the student bodies have thought of band members as the artsy, un-athletic, whimps. While at OU the band had a certain connection to being an in your face model of what it's like to be a college student. Will the swag disappear? Add that Rock n Roll isn't knocking out hit after hit, what will be the band's music that attracted student fans by playing relevant tunes of the day vs "How much is that Doggy in the Winder".

What is the likelihood that when Doctor Suk leaves the band will carry on? Perhaps the administration will want to dampen enthusiasm by hiring a Corps band style director. The administration would probably be very happy with a band less then half the size to minimize the probability of negative member violations of the ALL important student code of conduct.

A few thoughts.

Let me preface this by saying I became a fan of the "110 Marching Men of Ohio"
my first day on campus.

Never saw anything like them in N.J.

Used to watch them practice behind McCracken.
Then they moved to a practice field near the Convo.
I got to hear them during our soccer practices.

Last year's "investigation" shows how the current administration
feels about the 110.

Everything that's come out shows the "allegations" against them were at best exaggerations,to outright fabrications.

I guess things like Third Party Hearsay are O.K,as long as they fit your narrative.

Its obvious,based on posts from people familiar with the situation,that the administration and the consultants they hired were aware of this,but kept the sham going.

Everything O.U. did to try to justify this "witch hunt" was CYA.

I think a big part of this was due to Nellis.

Having no attachment to O.U.,he lacks any understanding or compassion as it relates to the 110.

As I posted,the administration's only interest is to use them for publicity.

Nellis also comes off as someone who doesn't want to make any waves or tough decisions.

So he lets people like Pina and JHJ do whatever they want.
Now Pina left for a "higher" position and JHJ got,what will most likely be
a permanent promotion.

Other MAC schools are doing what they can for their bands.
As I've posted,around here high schools have put their bands back on the field.

O.U. is doing everything they can to keep the 110 from even practicing,even though they want to.

I do think the band will carry on,well after Dr.Suk retires.
They have a strong core of very loyal alumni.

Their former Asst. Director,I forget his name,but I'm sure Bobcatt 110 knows,left to get his PhD.
Always thought he might be inline to be the next Director.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/27/2020 9:00 AM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?
What percentage of classes at OU are in person right now, and what percentage of students are remote?

It definitely would seem an odd choice if the 110 is on campus to practice, but hands on graduate and undergrad programs still aren't.

Anybody know?
“Technically” 100% of graduate students and 30% of undergraduate students are part of “Phase 1” or “Phase 2” plan that allows them on campus. So, statistically speaking, the 110 has about 250 members, which means they should already have about 80 members approved by OU to be on campus. That’s the same number they used for their bowl trips to Idaho and the Bahamas.

However, OU says “wait a minute. Just because you are approved in phase 1 or 2 to be on campus, that doesn’t mean we will permit you to practice with the band.” Since August, they have told Suk that only the 3 dozen staff members are allowed on the practice field.

Now to expand on this, most upperclassmen are around Athens even if they are relegated to online only classes. This year’s leases were signed in Fall last year. Since the upperclassmen couldn’t get out of their leases, they are living in the apartments they are paying for. Additionally, about 20% of the 110 members are music majors, and music majors are one of the majors approved to be on campus. So, there are a few freshmen and sophomore music majors on campus that cannot attend 110 practices.

The 110 knows they cannot have the whole band in rehearsal because a lot of the members aren’t in Athens and it’s not expected of them to return just to rehearse. However, there are probably another 40-50 students approved to be on campus as part of phase 1 or 2, but the university will not approve them to practice. There are also probably another 30-40 living in Athens taking marching band online that could be present if the university permitted. It’s an open air, 6 foot spacing class. Not an indoor lecture or lab. It still wouldn’t be full band, but take them from 36 “in person “ members up to maybe 110 or so rehearsing members. Kind of a where they started 52 years ago 😊

In addition to Toledo, BGSU and Kent, the other MAC bands rehearsing and virtually performing are EMU, CMU, WMU, Ball St, and NIU. The only other MAC bands I could not find any information on were Miami, Akron and Buffalo.


https://youtu.be/dfSknz_PHZs

https://www.facebook.com/emuband/videos/266635481362776/?...

https://blogs.bsu.edu/music/2020/10/21/pride-of-mid-ameri...

https://www.facebook.com/69844191184/posts/10158333429481...

https://www.facebook.com/102362928192/posts/1015772677218...
I'm not sure I'm following. So you're saying that the University should let students who are not officially part of the on-site return to campus practice with the 110?
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Bobcat110
10/27/2020 1:13 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?
What percentage of classes at OU are in person right now, and what percentage of students are remote?

It definitely would seem an odd choice if the 110 is on campus to practice, but hands on graduate and undergrad programs still aren't.

Anybody know?
“Technically” 100% of graduate students and 30% of undergraduate students are part of “Phase 1” or “Phase 2” plan that allows them on campus. So, statistically speaking, the 110 has about 250 members, which means they should already have about 80 members approved by OU to be on campus. That’s the same number they used for their bowl trips to Idaho and the Bahamas.

However, OU says “wait a minute. Just because you are approved in phase 1 or 2 to be on campus, that doesn’t mean we will permit you to practice with the band.” Since August, they have told Suk that only the 3 dozen staff members are allowed on the practice field.

Now to expand on this, most upperclassmen are around Athens even if they are relegated to online only classes. This year’s leases were signed in Fall last year. Since the upperclassmen couldn’t get out of their leases, they are living in the apartments they are paying for. Additionally, about 20% of the 110 members are music majors, and music majors are one of the majors approved to be on campus. So, there are a few freshmen and sophomore music majors on campus that cannot attend 110 practices.

The 110 knows they cannot have the whole band in rehearsal because a lot of the members aren’t in Athens and it’s not expected of them to return just to rehearse. However, there are probably another 40-50 students approved to be on campus as part of phase 1 or 2, but the university will not approve them to practice. There are also probably another 30-40 living in Athens taking marching band online that could be present if the university permitted. It’s an open air, 6 foot spacing class. Not an indoor lecture or lab. It still wouldn’t be full band, but take them from 36 “in person “ members up to maybe 110 or so rehearsing members. Kind of a where they started 52 years ago 😊

In addition to Toledo, BGSU and Kent, the other MAC bands rehearsing and virtually performing are EMU, CMU, WMU, Ball St, and NIU. The only other MAC bands I could not find any information on were Miami, Akron and Buffalo.


https://youtu.be/dfSknz_PHZs

https://www.facebook.com/emuband/videos/266635481362776/?...

https://blogs.bsu.edu/music/2020/10/21/pride-of-mid-ameri...

https://www.facebook.com/69844191184/posts/10158333429481...

https://www.facebook.com/102362928192/posts/1015772677218...
I'm not sure I'm following. So you're saying that the University should let students who are not officially part of the on-site return to campus practice with the 110?
I’m saying, OU is not even letting 110 members who ARE part of phase 1 OR phase 2 to practice with the band. And the Phase 1/Phase 2 is administrative controlled. They can adjust student approval to be on campus at anytime.
Last Edited: 10/27/2020 1:16:53 PM by Bobcat110
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/27/2020 1:37 PM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?
What percentage of classes at OU are in person right now, and what percentage of students are remote?

It definitely would seem an odd choice if the 110 is on campus to practice, but hands on graduate and undergrad programs still aren't.

Anybody know?
“Technically” 100% of graduate students and 30% of undergraduate students are part of “Phase 1” or “Phase 2” plan that allows them on campus. So, statistically speaking, the 110 has about 250 members, which means they should already have about 80 members approved by OU to be on campus. That’s the same number they used for their bowl trips to Idaho and the Bahamas.

However, OU says “wait a minute. Just because you are approved in phase 1 or 2 to be on campus, that doesn’t mean we will permit you to practice with the band.” Since August, they have told Suk that only the 3 dozen staff members are allowed on the practice field.

Now to expand on this, most upperclassmen are around Athens even if they are relegated to online only classes. This year’s leases were signed in Fall last year. Since the upperclassmen couldn’t get out of their leases, they are living in the apartments they are paying for. Additionally, about 20% of the 110 members are music majors, and music majors are one of the majors approved to be on campus. So, there are a few freshmen and sophomore music majors on campus that cannot attend 110 practices.

The 110 knows they cannot have the whole band in rehearsal because a lot of the members aren’t in Athens and it’s not expected of them to return just to rehearse. However, there are probably another 40-50 students approved to be on campus as part of phase 1 or 2, but the university will not approve them to practice. There are also probably another 30-40 living in Athens taking marching band online that could be present if the university permitted. It’s an open air, 6 foot spacing class. Not an indoor lecture or lab. It still wouldn’t be full band, but take them from 36 “in person “ members up to maybe 110 or so rehearsing members. Kind of a where they started 52 years ago 😊

In addition to Toledo, BGSU and Kent, the other MAC bands rehearsing and virtually performing are EMU, CMU, WMU, Ball St, and NIU. The only other MAC bands I could not find any information on were Miami, Akron and Buffalo.


https://youtu.be/dfSknz_PHZs

https://www.facebook.com/emuband/videos/266635481362776/?...

https://blogs.bsu.edu/music/2020/10/21/pride-of-mid-ameri...

https://www.facebook.com/69844191184/posts/10158333429481...

https://www.facebook.com/102362928192/posts/1015772677218...
I'm not sure I'm following. So you're saying that the University should let students who are not officially part of the on-site return to campus practice with the 110?
I’m saying, OU is not even letting 110 members who ARE part of phase 1 OR phase 2 to practice with the band. And the Phase 1/Phase 2 is administrative controlled. They can adjust student approval to be on campus at anytime.
Yeah, I know Phase 1/Phase 2 is determined by the administration, I'm just curious why the marching band in particular warrants special consideration here.

I don't know the answer, but I'd be curious to know how other clubs and organizations are currently being handled? Are they operating as usual? Or have most such things been shut down?
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Bobcat110
10/27/2020 1:46 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?
What percentage of classes at OU are in person right now, and what percentage of students are remote?

It definitely would seem an odd choice if the 110 is on campus to practice, but hands on graduate and undergrad programs still aren't.

Anybody know?
“Technically” 100% of graduate students and 30% of undergraduate students are part of “Phase 1” or “Phase 2” plan that allows them on campus. So, statistically speaking, the 110 has about 250 members, which means they should already have about 80 members approved by OU to be on campus. That’s the same number they used for their bowl trips to Idaho and the Bahamas.

However, OU says “wait a minute. Just because you are approved in phase 1 or 2 to be on campus, that doesn’t mean we will permit you to practice with the band.” Since August, they have told Suk that only the 3 dozen staff members are allowed on the practice field.

Now to expand on this, most upperclassmen are around Athens even if they are relegated to online only classes. This year’s leases were signed in Fall last year. Since the upperclassmen couldn’t get out of their leases, they are living in the apartments they are paying for. Additionally, about 20% of the 110 members are music majors, and music majors are one of the majors approved to be on campus. So, there are a few freshmen and sophomore music majors on campus that cannot attend 110 practices.

The 110 knows they cannot have the whole band in rehearsal because a lot of the members aren’t in Athens and it’s not expected of them to return just to rehearse. However, there are probably another 40-50 students approved to be on campus as part of phase 1 or 2, but the university will not approve them to practice. There are also probably another 30-40 living in Athens taking marching band online that could be present if the university permitted. It’s an open air, 6 foot spacing class. Not an indoor lecture or lab. It still wouldn’t be full band, but take them from 36 “in person “ members up to maybe 110 or so rehearsing members. Kind of a where they started 52 years ago 😊

In addition to Toledo, BGSU and Kent, the other MAC bands rehearsing and virtually performing are EMU, CMU, WMU, Ball St, and NIU. The only other MAC bands I could not find any information on were Miami, Akron and Buffalo.


https://youtu.be/dfSknz_PHZs

https://www.facebook.com/emuband/videos/266635481362776/?...

https://blogs.bsu.edu/music/2020/10/21/pride-of-mid-ameri...

https://www.facebook.com/69844191184/posts/10158333429481...

https://www.facebook.com/102362928192/posts/1015772677218...
I'm not sure I'm following. So you're saying that the University should let students who are not officially part of the on-site return to campus practice with the 110?
I’m saying, OU is not even letting 110 members who ARE part of phase 1 OR phase 2 to practice with the band. And the Phase 1/Phase 2 is administrative controlled. They can adjust student approval to be on campus at anytime.
Yeah, I know Phase 1/Phase 2 is determined by the administration, I'm just curious why the marching band in particular warrants special consideration here.

I don't know the answer, but I'd be curious to know how other clubs and organizations are currently being handled? Are they operating as usual? Or have most such things been shut down?
This is a class. Not a club. They are paying tuition to the university and graded. Marching alone in a apartment isn’t quite the same as listening online to a lecture or typing a paper. Not really much to compare it to around campus other than athletics or maybe the choral groups OU setup outside tents to sing under Which is why the external comparisons to how a majority of other institutions are safely handling.
Last Edited: 10/27/2020 2:00:26 PM by Bobcat110
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/27/2020 2:07 PM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?
What percentage of classes at OU are in person right now, and what percentage of students are remote?

It definitely would seem an odd choice if the 110 is on campus to practice, but hands on graduate and undergrad programs still aren't.

Anybody know?
“Technically” 100% of graduate students and 30% of undergraduate students are part of “Phase 1” or “Phase 2” plan that allows them on campus. So, statistically speaking, the 110 has about 250 members, which means they should already have about 80 members approved by OU to be on campus. That’s the same number they used for their bowl trips to Idaho and the Bahamas.

However, OU says “wait a minute. Just because you are approved in phase 1 or 2 to be on campus, that doesn’t mean we will permit you to practice with the band.” Since August, they have told Suk that only the 3 dozen staff members are allowed on the practice field.

Now to expand on this, most upperclassmen are around Athens even if they are relegated to online only classes. This year’s leases were signed in Fall last year. Since the upperclassmen couldn’t get out of their leases, they are living in the apartments they are paying for. Additionally, about 20% of the 110 members are music majors, and music majors are one of the majors approved to be on campus. So, there are a few freshmen and sophomore music majors on campus that cannot attend 110 practices.

The 110 knows they cannot have the whole band in rehearsal because a lot of the members aren’t in Athens and it’s not expected of them to return just to rehearse. However, there are probably another 40-50 students approved to be on campus as part of phase 1 or 2, but the university will not approve them to practice. There are also probably another 30-40 living in Athens taking marching band online that could be present if the university permitted. It’s an open air, 6 foot spacing class. Not an indoor lecture or lab. It still wouldn’t be full band, but take them from 36 “in person “ members up to maybe 110 or so rehearsing members. Kind of a where they started 52 years ago 😊

In addition to Toledo, BGSU and Kent, the other MAC bands rehearsing and virtually performing are EMU, CMU, WMU, Ball St, and NIU. The only other MAC bands I could not find any information on were Miami, Akron and Buffalo.


https://youtu.be/dfSknz_PHZs

https://www.facebook.com/emuband/videos/266635481362776/?...

https://blogs.bsu.edu/music/2020/10/21/pride-of-mid-ameri...

https://www.facebook.com/69844191184/posts/10158333429481...

https://www.facebook.com/102362928192/posts/1015772677218...
I'm not sure I'm following. So you're saying that the University should let students who are not officially part of the on-site return to campus practice with the 110?
I’m saying, OU is not even letting 110 members who ARE part of phase 1 OR phase 2 to practice with the band. And the Phase 1/Phase 2 is administrative controlled. They can adjust student approval to be on campus at anytime.
Yeah, I know Phase 1/Phase 2 is determined by the administration, I'm just curious why the marching band in particular warrants special consideration here.

I don't know the answer, but I'd be curious to know how other clubs and organizations are currently being handled? Are they operating as usual? Or have most such things been shut down?
This is a class. Not a club. They are paying tuition to the university and graded. Marching alone in a apartment isn’t quite the same as listening online to a lecture or typing a paper. Not really much to compare it to around campus other than athletics or maybe the choral groups OU setup outside tents to sing under Which is why the external comparisons to how a majority of other institutions are safely handling.
Is the 110 a class for everybody? I didn't realize that. So every member gets credits for the time they spend on the 110?
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10/27/2020 2:19 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Is the 110 a class for everybody? I didn't realize that. So every member gets credits for the time they spend on the 110?
Yes. It’s 3 credit hours for all members. So, each member pays about $1,100 in tuition to march, plus fees for uniforms and instruments.

It’s why the “hazing “ investigation was such an issue. Really questionable if student affairs should be investigating a class.
Last Edited: 10/27/2020 2:24:43 PM by Bobcat110
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/27/2020 5:06 PM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
Is the 110 a class for everybody? I didn't realize that. So every member gets credits for the time they spend on the 110?
Yes. It’s 3 credit hours for all members. So, each member pays about $1,100 in tuition to march, plus fees for uniforms and instruments.

It’s why the “hazing “ investigation was such an issue. Really questionable if student affairs should be investigating a class.
I mean, if the students in some other specific class were suspected of hazing, the university would have the right to investigate them, too. I'm not sure I get why there being 3 credit hours applied changes anything in that regard.
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Bobcat110
10/27/2020 8:21 PM
Administration approved to allow members who were already part of Phase 1 or 2 to be at rehearsals as of tomorrow. That should give them around 100 members on the field. They may be permitted at the first home game, but not sure yet or what capacity. It may resemble last year’s WMU game when there were maybe 200 fans in attendance, but they are still thrilled to perform.
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rpbobcat
10/28/2020 8:21 AM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
Administration approved to allow members who were already part of Phase 1 or 2 to be at rehearsals as of tomorrow. That should give them around 100 members on the field. They may be permitted at the first home game, but not sure yet or what capacity. It may resemble last year’s WMU game when there were maybe 200 fans in attendance, but they are still thrilled to perform.
Given how this administration has treated the 110,I wouldn't be surprised if
JHJ has people at the practice field checking I.D.'s
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Bobcat110
11/9/2020 1:43 PM
Tuesday’s Halftime show will be streamed on FB. A little less than 1/2 the band is permitted to participate based on if they were already on campus from Phase 1 or 2 plan. Several Seniors are sadly not being allowed back on campus to participate.

Here is link to stream:

http://engage.ohio.edu/site/R?i=ZeR8VNhDDXhEJb09fVhGwA
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