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Bobcatzblitz
11/4/2021 1:21 AM
I've noticed some things and the players respond TREMENDOUSLY to Tim Albin in fact what he lacks in Presser Ability he more than makes up for it in how he communicates with his Team.
That's more important imo.
Keep Tim Albin. Period.
The Stability is worth the Growing Pains of a few losing seasons because these Players ain't gonna Quit under this Coaching Staff.

And Tyler Tettleton will get better also.
Last Edited: 11/26/2021 10:04:55 PM by Bobcatzblitz
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Deciduous Forest Cat
11/4/2021 8:23 AM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
I've noticed some things and the players respond TREMENDOUSLY to Tim Albin in fact what he lacks in Presser Ability he more than makes up for it in how he communicates with his Team.
That's more important imo.
Keep Tim Albin. Period.
The Stability is worth the Growing Pains of a few losing seasons because these Players ain't gonna Quit under this Coaching Staff.

And Tyler Tettleton will get better also.
Even if the early calls for his immediate firing were premature, so would be any call to extend his contract. Can we finish strong?
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MonroeClassmate
11/4/2021 8:29 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
I've noticed some things and the players respond TREMENDOUSLY to Tim Albin in fact what he lacks in Presser Ability he more than makes up for it in how he communicates with his Team.
That's more important imo.
Keep Tim Albin. Period.
The Stability is worth the Growing Pains of a few losing seasons because these Players ain't gonna Quit under this Coaching Staff.

And Tyler Tettleton will get better also.
Even if the early calls for his immediate firing were premature, so would be any call to extend his contract. Can we finish strong?
Can they recruit?

Stability--Growing pains----should those opposites be used? Really?
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 8:34:34 AM by MonroeClassmate
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rpbobcat
11/4/2021 9:34 AM
The Bobcats blew a 28 point third quarter lead.

After blowing the lead, they hung on for dear life.
They only won, because of Miami's coach's bone headed play calling.

Sorry, stability and the ability to communicate with the players, combined with one "skin of your teeth" win, is not enough to change my opinion of Albin's
coaching ability.

I also don't understand the logic of being willing to accept "growing pains " of "a few losing seasons" from a head coach and staff who have been here for a number of years.

I am open to changing my opinion, based on how the rest of the season plays
out, but I'm not overly optimistic.
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Cats5
11/4/2021 9:45 AM
I’m not gonna say I want him to stay just yet. I have noticed some improvement though. The only coach I want gone is Ron Collins. He hasn’t done anything to make me feel like he should stay.
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Bobcat1998
11/4/2021 10:26 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
The Bobcats blew a 28 point third quarter lead.

After blowing the lead, they hung on for dear life.
They only won, because of Miami's coach's bone headed play calling.

Sorry, stability and the ability to communicate with the players, combined with one "skin of your teeth" win, is not enough to change my opinion of Albin's
coaching ability.

I also don't understand the logic of being willing to accept "growing pains " of "a few losing seasons" from a head coach and staff who have been here for a number of years.

I am open to changing my opinion, based on how the rest of the season plays
out, but I'm not overly optimistic.
I am as disgusted as many Bobcat fans and would predict that Albin will get no better but I always look down upon universities or even pro teams that fire a coach after one year. I believe Albin was/is wrong for this program but we are improving and I do have to say that missing Sink/Rodgers/Meservy on the line, losing Hooks and missing Hudson, Keye Thompson and Jeremiah Wood was huge. Our LBs are improving as well but come on, Thompson was a First Team MAC guy this year if he plays! Nope, give him a 2nd year and if we are sub-500 get rid of him.
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SBH
11/4/2021 10:28 AM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=Bobcatzblitz]
Can they recruit?
We just offered a kid whose only other "offers" are Dennison and Dayton. He visited YSU but wasn't offered.
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 10:32:36 AM by SBH
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AlumDadDad
11/4/2021 10:30 AM
One win over Miami isn't enough to get me on the Albin bandwagon. He's got the rest of this season and next to make his case. Buyout isn't going to happen.

I hope he's able to right the ship, not because I'm an Albin fan, but I'm an Ohio fan and I want success.

Another reason I want to see him right the ship is to keep Tettleton on the staff long enough to give him a chance to develop. He's certainly not ready for HC yet, but the green Kool aid in my veins hopes for a Boals-like situation on the football side of the house.

Collins was only saved from a monumental collapse by Martin's buffoonery... buffoonery which was a tremendous source of entertainment for me Tuesday night! Couldn't happen to a better guy!
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 10:36:07 AM by AlumDadDad
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Pataskala
11/4/2021 10:36 AM
I've been on the Ax Albin bandwagon since the Duquesne debacle. That was completely inexcusable. There's been improvement since then, but frankly there was no way to go but up after Duquesne. Tuesday night it took only about 22 minutes of game time to go from a four-touchdown blowout to a two-point heart-stopper. It was worse than the Buffalo game because the Bulls had three quarters to overcome a 21-pt lead, while MOFO had less than a half to overcome a bigger deficit, and almost did it. Ohio's play-calling on both sides of the ball during the last 25:30 left a whole helluva lot to be desired.

But I've resigned myself to the fact that Albin will be here for another season, so there ain't a lot to look forward to until 2023 -- especially with all the players we lose. They picked Albin so we'd have a smooth transition from the Solich administration. "Growing pains" were not supposed to happen.
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Doc Bobcat
11/4/2021 10:38 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=Bobcatzblitz]
Can they recruit?
We just offered a kid whose only other "offers" are Dennison and Dayton. He visited YSU but wasn't offered.
Probably my biggest fear.

At the present rate only transfers and JUCO players could be OUr only saviors.
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Pataskala
11/4/2021 10:44 AM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=Bobcatzblitz]
Can they recruit?
We just offered a kid whose only other "offers" are Dennison and Dayton. He visited YSU but wasn't offered.
Probably my biggest fear.

At the present rate only transfers and JUCO players could be OUr only saviors.
That was the Bowden formula at Akron. Worked for a year or two but it didn't leave much for Arth to work with. One reason he's unemployed today.
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Doc Bobcat
11/4/2021 11:07 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=Bobcatzblitz]
Can they recruit?
We just offered a kid whose only other "offers" are Dennison and Dayton. He visited YSU but wasn't offered.
Probably my biggest fear.

At the present rate only transfers and JUCO players could be OUr only saviors.
That was the Bowden formula at Akron. Worked for a year or two but it didn't leave much for Arth to work with. One reason he's unemployed today.
I agree.

What happened to the days where we offered enough players to have Ted Thompson do a recruiting page?

Some on here have knocked OUr recruiting the last few years. Those years are light years ahead of OUr progress in 2021.
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mf279801
11/4/2021 11:56 AM
I don’t know what you all are talking about. After last week, I think Coach Albin has figured it all out. In fact, i think TCU, Texas Tech, or Nebraska should jump on him and lick him up with a lucrative contract before LSU or USC hire him. Considering his long service to OHIO, we should go so far as to let any potential suitors that we’ll even waive his buyout if they want him.

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GoCats105
11/4/2021 12:01 PM
He won a game. One game. He's doubled his career win total.

Name the field after him.
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 12:01:24 PM by GoCats105
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/4/2021 12:29 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
He won a game. One game. He's doubled his career win total.

Name the field after him.
He's tied with the guy who the field will ultimately be named after in terms of championships.

It's a low bar. Honestly, I think this board would end up pushing to name the field after whichever concessions stand supervisor figured out how to sell pretzels without a long line.
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cc-cat
11/4/2021 12:45 PM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
I've noticed some things and the players respond TREMENDOUSLY to Tim Albin in fact what he lacks in Presser Ability he more than makes up for it in how he communicates with his Team
His players know full well that Albin is struggling and fans are not happy with the direction of the program. They also know that a good old fashion "butt-kicking" (as one dilusional fan called the game at one point) would go a long ways in helping to change the trajectory of the season and the dialogue concerning the coach. How did the players respond? By giving up 26 straight points. Yessir - they stepped up for their coach. (think we also blew a 21-0 lead at Buffalo) - "We got you coach"

Albin isn't going anywhere until 12/31/22 - until then there are 4 touch points:
End of this year (how'd they close the season),
2/2/22 - Signing Day - How'd we do?
9/25/22 - Day after the Fordham game (how'd they do in OOC - did we handle the Rams?),
End of next season (do we have a solid, winning schedule in the MAC?)

At this time, all four of these touch points must be positive stops on his train. If not, I could care less about how the players respond - except when they give up 21 to 26 straight points.
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Doc Bobcat
11/4/2021 1:22 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
I've noticed some things and the players respond TREMENDOUSLY to Tim Albin in fact what he lacks in Presser Ability he more than makes up for it in how he communicates with his Team
His players know full well that Albin is struggling and fans are not happy with the direction of the program. They also know that a good old fashion "butt-kicking" (as one dilusional fan called the game at one point) would go a long ways in helping to change the trajectory of the season and the dialogue concerning the coach. How did the players respond? By giving up 26 straight points. Yessir - they stepped up for their coach. (think we also blew a 21-0 lead at Buffalo) - "We got you coach"

Albin isn't going anywhere until 12/31/22 - until then there are 4 touch points:
End of this year (how'd they close the season),
2/2/22 - Signing Day - How'd we do?
9/25/22 - Day after the Fordham game (how'd they do in OOC - did we handle the Rams?),
End of next season (do we have a solid, winning schedule in the MAC?)

At this time, all four of these touch points must be positive stops on his train. If not, I could care less about how the players respond - except when they give up 21 to 26 straight points.
The early signing date for D1 is in December.

Lately it’s been a plethora of signings in December and a few in February.

This year it looks like a few signings in December and cross your fingers and toes
that we sign anyone in February.
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 1:28:37 PM by Doc Bobcat
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Recovering Journalist
11/4/2021 1:25 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=Bobcatzblitz]
Can they recruit?
We just offered a kid whose only other "offers" are Dennison and Dayton. He visited YSU but wasn't offered.
Probably my biggest fear.

At the present rate only transfers and JUCO players could be OUr only saviors.
That was the Bowden formula at Akron. Worked for a year or two but it didn't leave much for Arth to work with. One reason he's unemployed today.
The flipside of that is seeing what's happening with a dead coach walking. Who would want to commit four years to a program that is almost certainly going to see a coaching change after their first season? This hire is going to set the program back a minimum of 3-4 years.
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11/4/2021 2:02 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
I've been on the Ax Albin bandwagon since the Duquesne debacle. That was completely inexcusable. There's been improvement since then, but frankly there was no way to go but up after Duquesne. Tuesday night it took only about 22 minutes of game time to go from a four-touchdown blowout to a two-point heart-stopper. It was worse than the Buffalo game because the Bulls had three quarters to overcome a 21-pt lead, while MOFO had less than a half to overcome a bigger deficit, and almost did it. Ohio's play-calling on both sides of the ball during the last 25:30 left a whole helluva lot to be desired.

But I've resigned myself to the fact that Albin will be here for another season, so there ain't a lot to look forward to until 2023 -- especially with all the players we lose. They picked Albin so we'd have a smooth transition from the Solich administration. "Growing pains" were not supposed to happen.
All this and a couple concession stand pretzels.

The only way they should keep Albin past next year is if they get 8+ wins. Otherwise, it's time for an overhaul.
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BobcatPride
11/4/2021 2:57 PM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=Bobcatzblitz]
Can they recruit?
We just offered a kid whose only other "offers" are Dennison and Dayton. He visited YSU but wasn't offered.
Probably my biggest fear.

At the present rate only transfers and JUCO players could be OUr only saviors.
That was the Bowden formula at Akron. Worked for a year or two but it didn't leave much for Arth to work with. One reason he's unemployed today.
The flipside of that is seeing what's happening with a dead coach walking. Who would want to commit four years to a program that is almost certainly going to see a coaching change after their first season? This hire is going to set the program back a minimum of 3-4 years.
The above so true, and we Bobcat fans better get comfortable with this idea. Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst.
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CatFud
11/4/2021 3:13 PM
All conference games have been competitive, and if a third win is procured against Bowling Green, then Albin will have equaled the conference record (3-5) of Solich's first year. The Duquesne loss was inexplicable and two chances were missed to pick up a Pitt-esque win against inconsistent Syracuse and Northwestern teams. But the 2005 team also lost large to Northwestern and Virginia Tech.

Last year's truncated schedule consisted of wins over Akron and Bowling Green, with a 3 point loss to Central Michigan. So not much difference there either, except for the coaching change.

Which is not to deny that improvement is necessary, but the assumption this cannot or will not occur seems a bit premature, IMO.
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 3:18:28 PM by CatFud
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Felix
11/4/2021 3:24 PM
Albin epitomizes all the failures of Bobcat football over the Solich era! They've been most apparent this season. Good luck with season ticket sales next year, Cromer!
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 3:24:56 PM by Felix
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GoCats105
11/4/2021 3:25 PM
CatFud wrote:expand_more
All conference games have been competitive, and if a third win is procured against Bowling Green, then Albin will have equaled the conference record (3-5) of Solich's first year. The Duquesne loss was inexplicable and two chances were missed to pick up a Pitt-esque win against inconsistent Syracuse and Northwestern teams. But the 2005 team also lost large to Northwestern and Virginia Tech.

Last year's truncated schedule consisted of wins over Akron and Bowling Green, with a 3 point loss to Central Michigan. So not much difference there either, except for the coaching change.

Which is not to deny that improvement is necessary, but the assumption this cannot or will not occur seems a bit premature, IMO.
Why are we comparing Albin's first year to Solich's first year? They are NOT one in the same. Albin has been here for long enough that theoretically, this should have been a turnkey operation. At the very least, a .500 year or just a hair off bowl eligibility. Unless the talent has dropped off considerably to warrant such a comparison, this argument holds no weight.

Albin certainly wasn't handed the keys to a Mercedes, but it was a pretty reliable Toyota Camry and so far he's dented it backing out of the driveway (Duquesne) and put it in a ditch (MAC play).
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 3:26:15 PM by GoCats105
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rpbobcat
11/4/2021 3:35 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
I've been on the Ax Albin bandwagon since the Duquesne debacle. That was completely inexcusable. There's been improvement since then, but frankly there was no way to go but up after Duquesne. Tuesday night it took only about 22 minutes of game time to go from a four-touchdown blowout to a two-point heart-stopper. It was worse than the Buffalo game because the Bulls had three quarters to overcome a 21-pt lead, while MOFO had less than a half to overcome a bigger deficit, and almost did it. Ohio's play-calling on both sides of the ball during the last 25:30 left a whole helluva lot to be desired.

But I've resigned myself to the fact that Albin will be here for another season, so there ain't a lot to look forward to until 2023 -- especially with all the players we lose. They picked Albin so we'd have a smooth transition from the Solich administration. "Growing pains" were not supposed to happen.
My fear is, if things continue the way they've been going, the amount of "damage" (transfers, recruiting, etc.) that can be done if Albin is here for another year.

As far as TT, if he has the potential people think, there's a no reason why a
new head coach wouldn't keep him on his staff.

Does anyone know if the AD has made any recent (pre Miami) comments about
the state of the football program ?
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 3:38:13 PM by rpbobcat
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/4/2021 3:44 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
My fear is, if things continue the way they've been going, the amount of "damage" (transfers, recruiting, etc.) that can be done if Albin is here for another year.

As far as TT, if he has the potential people think, there's a no reason why a
new head coach wouldn't keep him on his staff.

Does anyone know if the AD has made any recent (pre Miami) comments about
the state of the football program ?
It all just seems relative to me. The program's thoroughly mediocre, will continue to be thoroughly mediocre, and even at it's best loses money hand over fist. We're not eligible for a national championship, have little fan support, and are the second most popular college football team amongst our own student base.

I just don't understand how to justify a buyout given all of that. The upside's low, the downside's only nominally different than the upside, the college football landscape rapidly changing, as are the economics of higher education.

It seems like throwing bad money after bad money at this juncture's a very poor decision. Doubly so when the best case scenario is that we recruit a bit better over the next 2 or 3 years. How does recruiting better over the next 2 or 3 years move the needle for the university at all?
Last Edited: 11/4/2021 3:44:54 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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