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Andrew Ruck
9/2/2022 3:24 PM
Approved for 2026 but are pushing to move it up to 2024. Says "six highest ranked conference champions" and 6 at-large.
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Andrew Ruck
9/2/2022 3:34 PM
On the "top 6 conference champions" note...could this provide a potential entry to a dominant MAC team if the power conferences consolidate down to 4 mega conferences and/or there are lots of conference championship upsets.
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shabamon
9/2/2022 4:06 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
On the "top 6 conference champions" note...could this provide a potential entry to a dominant MAC team if the power conferences consolidate down to 4 mega conferences and/or there are lots of conference championship upsets.
Could be, but I'm still not impressed. Any system that does not reward all conference champions with a seat at the table is insufficient
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Kevin Finnegan
9/2/2022 4:39 PM
I'm impressed in the sense that it gives every team a chance...to an extent. Previously, if you went 12-0 in the MAC, it didn't still give you a chance at winning the national championship, only getting to a better bowl. Now, it's likely that any undefeated season will make it into the playoffs. That's all you can ask for if you're a little guy. Wonder if this might dissuade some mid-major teams from scheduling the biggest of big dogs. They'll be trying to get Nebraska, West Virginia, Texas Tech, etc. rather than Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson.
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spongeBOB CATpants
9/2/2022 4:49 PM
I think I would prefer an 8 team format if not all conferences are represented.

Also in favor for a separate playoff for G5 schools.
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Casper71
9/2/2022 5:30 PM
Just saw a “look back” with this format using 12 teams and only one MAC team (WMU) would have made it in the last 6-7 years. So, I say this format is of little to no value for the MAC.
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Pataskala
9/2/2022 6:20 PM
So basically one G5 champ is guaranteed to be in, and some years there might be two. Rarely would more get in, especially with Cincy, Houston and UCF moving to the B12. A likely trade-off will be no guaranteed G5 slot in the NY6 bowl games, unless early-round losers are seeded into some NY6 games. I guess that's one of the things to be worked out.

It might also affect some of those early ESPN-concocted bowl games. They might be moved, eliminated, or become host games for early-round playoff games.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
9/3/2022 9:57 AM
What's the over/under on how many times the MAC was mentioned during the course of the negotiations about this? 3? 5?
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SouthernCat
9/3/2022 1:36 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
What's the over/under on how many times the MAC was mentioned during the course of the negotiations about this? 3? 5?
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BillyTheCat
9/4/2022 1:06 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
On the "top 6 conference champions" note...could this provide a potential entry to a dominant MAC team if the power conferences consolidate down to 4 mega conferences and/or there are lots of conference championship upsets.
Could be, but I'm still not impressed. Any system that does not reward all conference champions with a seat at the table is insufficient
Football is a fundamentally different sport than all the others. And how many games you want these kids to play?
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Andrew Ruck
9/7/2022 10:25 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
Just saw a “look back” with this format using 12 teams and only one MAC team (WMU) would have made it in the last 6-7 years. So, I say this format is of little to no value for the MAC.
Just the fact that there is a single scenario where a MAC team, or other programs like it, makes the playoff...is more than I ever expected. I actually think it is a creative setup to carve out 6 conference champions to give the non-P5 a chance. And like I said, if the big boys continue consolidating it may be the P4 before long meaning 2 non-power slots.
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shabamon
9/7/2022 10:57 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
On the "top 6 conference champions" note...could this provide a potential entry to a dominant MAC team if the power conferences consolidate down to 4 mega conferences and/or there are lots of conference championship upsets.
Could be, but I'm still not impressed. Any system that does not reward all conference champions with a seat at the table is insufficient
Football is a fundamentally different sport than all the others. And how many games you want these kids to play?
If you want to win the high school state championship in Ohio, you have to play 16 games. If you want to win the FCS championship, you have to play 15 or 16 games. If you want to win the Super Bowl, you have to play 20 or 21 games.

My ideal playoffs would be 12 teams, top four seed byes, with all conference champions represented and two at-large bids. That's four rounds. Throw that on top of a 12 game regular season and a conference championship game, that's 17 games max and would only be accomplished by a bottom eight seed that played in its conference championship game advancing to the national title game. That doesn't sound like a far reach to me.
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Pataskala
9/7/2022 11:21 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
On the "top 6 conference champions" note...could this provide a potential entry to a dominant MAC team if the power conferences consolidate down to 4 mega conferences and/or there are lots of conference championship upsets.
Could be, but I'm still not impressed. Any system that does not reward all conference champions with a seat at the table is insufficient
Football is a fundamentally different sport than all the others. And how many games you want these kids to play?
If you want to win the high school state championship in Ohio, you have to play 16 games. If you want to win the FCS championship, you have to play 15 or 16 games. If you want to win the Super Bowl, you have to play 20 or 21 games.

My ideal playoffs would be 12 teams, top four seed byes, with all conference champions represented and two at-large bids. That's four rounds. Throw that on top of a 12 game regular season and a conference championship game, that's 17 games max and would only be accomplished by a bottom eight seed that played in its conference championship game advancing to the national title game. That doesn't sound like a far reach to me.
I don't think the "P"s would ever limit themselves to only two at-large bids. Too many top-10 "P"s would be left out in favor of G5 teams. Under the current proposal, "P"s would have ten or eleven teams in the playoff most years. They probably couldn't stand to have fewer than that.
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OhioCatFan
9/7/2022 9:39 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Just saw a “look back” with this format using 12 teams and only one MAC team (WMU) would have made it in the last 6-7 years. So, I say this format is of little to no value for the MAC.
Just the fact that there is a single scenario where a MAC team, or other programs like it, makes the playoff...is more than I ever expected. I actually think it is a creative setup to carve out 6 conference champions to give the non-P5 a chance. And like I said, if the big boys continue consolidating it may be the P4 before long meaning 2 non-power slots.
It looks to me like were are headed for the P2 (B1G & SEC), the SP3 (Semi-Power3, B12, PAC12, and ACC), and then the G5.
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