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Posted: 8/12/2010 12:06 PM
You do have too much time!

So, in a rough way we are in the middle of the MAC on this count.  I'm not saying that's where we want to be.   But before we get hysterical we should have a fair assessment of the facts.

Hopefully, over the next handful of years we have great success comes and that causes sched upgrades.
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Posted: 8/12/2010 1:57 PM
We also have our schedule booked effectively till 2015.
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Posted: 8/12/2010 8:35 PM
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Overall, we are the only MAC school that has not announced a future home game with a BCS opponent.  In terms of games from 2005-2009, only 4 MAC schools have hosted fewer BCS opponents than we did during that stretch (while 3 others are tied at 2 BCS home games)


Miami and Toledo are running circles around us....simple as that. They care about their fans. Our AD cares about Marshall.
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Posted: 8/12/2010 8:38 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Overall, we are the only MAC school that has not announced a future home game with a BCS opponent.  In terms of games from 2005-2009, only 4 MAC schools have hosted fewer BCS opponents than we did during that stretch (while 3 others are tied at 2 BCS home games)


Miami and Toledo are running circles around us....simple as that. They care about their fans. Our AD cares about Marshall.


I'm confused.  I thought that Voice of Reason is Voice of Reason.  Do we have two of them?
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Posted: 8/13/2010 9:33 AM
Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:expand_more
You do have too much time!

So, in a rough way we are in the middle of the MAC on this count.  I'm not saying that's where we want to be.   But before we get hysterical we should have a fair assessment of the facts.


I wouldn't reach that conclusion.  Instead, I view the data as showing that we are in the bottom 1/3rd in the MAC in total BCS home games, and dead last in future BCS home games.  That isn't middle of the pack to me, but rather at or near the bottom.

The fact that we are all but booked until 2015 just compounds the problem.  Whereas every other school in the MAC has a bunch of flexibility to take advantage of the current economic conditions and potentially add a quality home game (ala BGSU-Maryland), we are locked into a schedule full of schlock.  Unless we've negotiated really low buyouts in some of these contracts, given the budget situation we may very well be locked into them, in which case I suspect two years from now the stats above will look even worse.
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Posted: 8/13/2010 12:17 PM

I think our best option to play BCS teams as a "home game" would be to try to play in Cleveland.  Playing Ohio State,Cincinnati and West Virginia in Cleveland and Marshall would be playing in Athens.  The years Marahall comes to Athens we would play in Morgantown.  We could include these games as part of our season ticket package.  Imagine a schedule that included Ohio State, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Marshall, Miami, Bowling Green, Kent State, Akron, Buffalo, and Temple each year.  That is a tough ten games not counting two western division games.      

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Posted: 8/13/2010 7:45 PM
Can't argue about the upcoming years, Flomo, but for the prior years I don' think that we're in the bottom third.  We're in the middle third.  From your list, WMU, NIU, EMU and Ball had less than we did. 
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Posted: 8/14/2010 11:44 AM
oubobcatjohn wrote:expand_more

I think our best option to play BCS teams as a "home game" would be to try to play in Cleveland.  Playing Ohio State,Cincinnati and West Virginia in Cleveland and Marshall would be playing in Athens.  The years Marahall comes to Athens we would play in Morgantown.  We could include these games as part of our season ticket package.  Imagine a schedule that included Ohio State, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Marshall, Miami, Bowling Green, Kent State, Akron, Buffalo, and Temple each year.  That is a tough ten games not counting two western division games.      



Most ridiculous post since the site came back online....
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Posted: 8/14/2010 12:46 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more

I think our best option to play BCS teams as a "home game" would be to try to play in Cleveland.  Playing Ohio State,Cincinnati and West Virginia in Cleveland and Marshall would be playing in Athens.  The years Marahall comes to Athens we would play in Morgantown.  We could include these games as part of our season ticket package.  Imagine a schedule that included Ohio State, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Marshall, Miami, Bowling Green, Kent State, Akron, Buffalo, and Temple each year.  That is a tough ten games not counting two western division games.      



Most ridiculous post since the site came back online....


+1...although I would expect nothing less.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 2:29 PM
Disagree.  Playing a big name school in Cleveland with the 'Cats as the home team is an interesting thought.  If it means that we control (uh, receive) most of the gate, it makes great sense.  Isn't the distance/commute to Athens the single biggest (by far) reason why we can't financially even think of going to a 45k seat stadium?  Well, a game in Cleveland gives us a huge facility right in the close by middle of a ton of OHIO alumni.

Let's see.  OHIO hosting Wisconsin or N.D. or Georgia in Cleveland.  Nah, that wouldn't be of any interest to the schedule complainers.

Of course, it's Love easier to irrational rant and 98% of the time add nothing positive to the threads here than it is to evaluate and appreciate a smart idea.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 2:34 PM
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Isn't the distance/commute to Athens the single biggest (by far) reason why we can't financially even think of going to a 45k seat stadium? 


I'd say that lack of interest is a much bigger reason than location for why we draw so poorly.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 7:29 PM
The two are rather intertwined, Flomo.

Consider this, though:  Suppose the 'Cats start off slowly.  Say 2-2.  Then, win 6 of 7 to get to 8-3.  Let's assume  this is after the 40 drought and going 4-8 the prior year-- but a MACEast title and bowl game the year before that .  So, the next game is at home and wil decide the MACEast winner.  Given that we're bowl guranteed (due to the 8 wins), don't you think that the next game should have fans interest?

That was last year and the lead up to the game against Temple at Peden.  ohiobobcats.com says that we drew  14,100 for that game.  I kinda think that if we were located in Cleveland and got the Cleveland pub that we'd've had a spontaneous, last minute crowd flow that would've gotten us to 25-30k vs. Temple.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 7:50 PM

The timing of that game (early, day after thanksgiving, and the dorms closed until January to boot) hurt the attendance more than anything, especially with it being nationalized televised (on the U I believe)

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Posted: 8/14/2010 11:53 PM
Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:expand_more
The two are rather intertwined, Flomo.

Consider this, though:  Suppose the 'Cats start off slowly.  Say 2-2.  Then, win 6 of 7 to get to 8-3.  Let's assume  this is after the 40 drought and going 4-8 the prior year-- but a MACEast title and bowl game the year before that .  So, the next game is at home and wil decide the MACEast winner.  Given that we're bowl guranteed (due to the 8 wins), don't you think that the next game should have fans interest?

That was last year and the lead up to the game against Temple at Peden.  ohiobobcats.com says that we drew  14,100 for that game.  I kinda think that if we were located in Cleveland and got the Cleveland pub that we'd've had a spontaneous, last minute crowd flow that would've gotten us to 25-30k vs. Temple.


And that makes no sense financially to move the game to Cleveland for 25-30K fans showing up for a de-facto MAC East title game. I'm sorry I just dont see it.
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Posted: 8/15/2010 8:46 AM
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The two are rather intertwined, Flomo.

Consider this, though:  Suppose the 'Cats start off slowly.  Say 2-2.  Then, win 6 of 7 to get to 8-3.  Let's assume  this is after the 40 drought and going 4-8 the prior year-- but a MACEast title and bowl game the year before that .  So, the next game is at home and wil decide the MACEast winner.  Given that we're bowl guranteed (due to the 8 wins), don't you think that the next game should have fans interest?

That was last year and the lead up to the game against Temple at Peden.  ohiobobcats.com says that we drew  14,100 for that game.  I kinda think that if we were located in Cleveland and got the Cleveland pub that we'd've had a spontaneous, last minute crowd flow that would've gotten us to 25-30k vs. Temple.


Sure we'd draw more fans if we were located in a major metropolitan area.  But that doesn't 'mean that location is our biggest problem.  Our biggest problem is that Ohio football ranks somewhere between irrelevant and a joke for at least 90% of our alumni.  The vast majority of alums simply don't care about MAC East titles.  Even if we win 5 straight MAC titles and Pizza Bowls, we'll still be viewed by most alumni as competing at the little league level compared to the sacred Suckeyes. 

That's why I think scheduling is such a big deal on the football side of things.  In basketball, if you have a successful year you achieve legitimacy by getting to play in the NCAA Tournament.  In football that isn't the case, hence the need to schedule and beat visible teams during the regular season.  Unfortunately, the current schedules don't give us much of a chance of doing so, with only one road BCS game scheduled per year.  That simply isn't going to ignite enthusiasm among most of our alumni base, which is ultimately what we need to do to move this program to the next level.
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Posted: 8/16/2010 12:38 AM
Flomo--I'd like to see us schedule up, also.  But I think that winning the MAC would help a LOT.  NIU, TEMPLE and CMich are getting notice.  If we win a MAC title, OUr fans will know that it's no patsy walk.  Espec if we win a bowl game to boot.

I think OUr fans were somewhat fired up that we won the MAC title last year.  But it got crazy when we drilled Georgetown.  Would be nice to see the footballers achieve like that.

Heck, it'd settle a few arguments on this board...before igniting slew about how we should be in the Big Ten(Eleven) and add 15k to Peden etc.
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Posted: 8/16/2010 1:20 AM
Ohio still has a probable road game to fill in 2013. No one said that we couldn't pull something out that could bring in some big name for 2016.
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Posted: 8/16/2010 8:53 AM
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The two are rather intertwined, Flomo.

Consider this, though:  Suppose the 'Cats start off slowly.  Say 2-2.  Then, win 6 of 7 to get to 8-3.  Let's assume  this is after the 40 drought and going 4-8 the prior year-- but a MACEast title and bowl game the year before that .  So, the next game is at home and wil decide the MACEast winner.  Given that we're bowl guranteed (due to the 8 wins), don't you think that the next game should have fans interest?

That was last year and the lead up to the game against Temple at Peden.  ohiobobcats.com says that we drew  14,100 for that game.  I kinda think that if we were located in Cleveland and got the Cleveland pub that we'd've had a spontaneous, last minute crowd flow that would've gotten us to 25-30k vs. Temple.


Sure we'd draw more fans if we were located in a major metropolitan area.  But that doesn't 'mean that location is our biggest problem.  Our biggest problem is that Ohio football ranks somewhere between irrelevant and a joke for at least 90% of our alumni.  The vast majority of alums simply don't care about MAC East titles.  Even if we win 5 straight MAC titles and Pizza Bowls, we'll still be viewed by most alumni as competing at the little league level compared to the sacred Suckeyes. 

That's why I think scheduling is such a big deal on the football side of things.  In basketball, if you have a successful year you achieve legitimacy by getting to play in the NCAA Tournament.  In football that isn't the case, hence the need to schedule and beat visible teams during the regular season.  Unfortunately, the current schedules don't give us much of a chance of doing so, with only one road BCS game scheduled per year.  That simply isn't going to ignite enthusiasm among most of our alumni base, which is ultimately what we need to do to move this program to the next level.


I second what Flomo said.
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Posted: 8/16/2010 1:04 PM
Again I agree with Flomo.  We should seriously look at getting weaker/lower BCS teams to play a home and home with us.  I personally think that playing Indiana, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, UConn, Maryland, Duke, Vandy or any other regional BCS team whether they are from the B-10, ACC, Big East, Big-12 or SEC would in the long run generate more "buzz" among the fan base, which hopefully would in turn generate more revenue for OUr program.  A good example is how the basketball team genereated a lot of good will with the W over G-town and the following game with Tennessee.  In the end, it is easier for the casual fan to get excited when we play a "name" team fom a BCS conference at home rather than someone from the Sun Belt/WAC or wherever.  And again, I do not mean to disrespect either of those conferences.

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Posted: 8/16/2010 3:24 PM
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Sure we'd draw more fans if we were located in a major metropolitan area.  But that doesn't 'mean that location is our biggest problem.  Our biggest problem is that Ohio football ranks somewhere between irrelevant and a joke for at least 90% of our alumni.  The vast majority of alums simply don't care about MAC East titles.  Even if we win 5 straight MAC titles and Pizza Bowls, we'll still be viewed by most alumni as competing at the little league level compared to the sacred Suckeyes. 

That's why I think scheduling is such a big deal on the football side of things.  In basketball, if you have a successful year you achieve legitimacy by getting to play in the NCAA Tournament.  In football that isn't the case, hence the need to schedule and beat visible teams during the regular season.  Unfortunately, the current schedules don't give us much of a chance of doing so, with only one road BCS game scheduled per year.  That simply isn't going to ignite enthusiasm among most of our alumni base, which is ultimately what we need to do to move this program to the next level.


Very well-crafted statement, Flomo.  And, as I've stated before, I think there's a fighting chance that if we win big this year and win a bowl game that we could see some modification of the upcoming home schedules.  As we've seen in recent years these things aren't necessarily written in stone.  Now, I'm not advocating that we not honor our contracts, but that we negotiate, for instance, to move some of the games with weaker opponents to years that are farther out and, thereby, create open spots in closer in years.  Again, this is predicated on a banner year in 2010 and increased fan interest and media (how do you spell ESPN) interest.  I think it may be doable, and I believe it should be done for the reasons you outline so eloquently!  
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Posted: 8/16/2010 3:48 PM
How money is Flomo? Just gets it done time and time again.

Well said on all accounts. I get too angry, he just puts the hammer on the nail and drives it home.
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Posted: 8/16/2010 4:23 PM
With both football and basketball getting better, when do we reach a point where we can coordinate and leverage scheduling?  e.g., home and home in football and home and home in basketball and knowing that football is the cash register for most schools we can throw them an extra home football game.  With our basketball team becoming relevant (perhaps too much so for some schools) wouldn't a Virginia, Maryland, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Vandy, Minnesota, Purdue level program be interested?  While not as a normal occurrence, I see little downside for an occasional "home game" in Cleveland if the circumstances make sense (e.g., we play our "home" game in football against Michigan in Cleveland, but their b-ball team comes to the convo).
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