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Posted: 9/23/2010 3:20 PM
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BTW, the 20,750 average home attendance would have put them at the very TOP of the MAC. Just in front of Western Michigan which was around 20,300.


Yeah I noticed that too...Actually the more I read about the UD program, the more I realize moving into the MAC could be a step down for them...They'd need Big East money for it to be worth their time.  Honestly I'm shocked the Big East is after Temple as opposed to UD.

On a related note...I found the story behind the winged helmets fascinating...Love that stuff!

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OK, I get the point about Navy, but lets take a closer look at Army's schedule this year:

@ Eastern Michigan (W)
Hawaii (L)
North Texas (W)
@ Duke
Temple
@ Tulane
@ Rutgers
VMI
Air Force
@ Kent State
Notre Dame (Bronx, New York)
Navy (Philadelphia, PA)

Last year they played pretty much the same schedule but swap out Ball State, Iowa State and Vanderbilt for Kent State, Notre Dame and Hawaii.  remind you of someone else's schedule, Hmmm?

Michie Stadium holds 40,000 people, the program is incredibly rich in tradition and their academics are top notch.  Why wouldn't the MAC go after Army if Temple bolts?
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Posted: 9/23/2010 3:42 PM
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Hello Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee State.

(Sigh.)


I'd love to have those teams, TBH. Wacky fits in with the MAC in a lot of ways already, and MTSU is a very exciting team to watch.
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Posted: 9/23/2010 4:03 PM
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I'd rather talk about where OHIO should be going to instead of talking about what sort of dregs we can get to come hang out with us in the MAC.a boy can dream.
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Posted: 9/23/2010 4:20 PM
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IMO, Marshall would have zero interest in rejoining the MAC.  While their travel in CUSA is a hindrance, I think overall they see their affiliation with CUSA as a net positive when you consider their football bowl tie-ins and the subsequent revenue.  No way they are coming back into this league and playing in front of 6,000 fans at Kent and EMU. 

On another front...I think on expansion, it's important to consider both football and basketball.  Navy and Army would be good for football, but they absolutely wouldn't have the interest/ability to join in basketball.

I would not have a problem with Western Kentucky and MTSU.  However, why would the MAC be better for them than the Sun Belt? 

Western Kentucky is just starting in FBS, so their current football woes will not necessarily continue.  And they would be a real boost in basketball.  MTSU would help us in football. 

Delaware would make sense IF Temple remained in the league.  I can't see Delaware dealing with the travel in basketball. 
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Posted: 9/23/2010 4:24 PM
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Bobcat36 wrote:expand_more

BTW, the 20,750 average home attendance would have put them at the very TOP of the MAC. Just in front of Western Michigan which was around 20,300.


Yeah I noticed that too...Actually the more I read about the UD program, the more I realize moving into the MAC could be a step down for them...They'd need Big East money for it to be worth their time.  Honestly I'm shocked the Big East is after Temple as opposed to UD.

On a related note...I found the story behind the winged helmets fascinating...Love that stuff!



I think you are correct on this. Considering the program's success as one of the best programs in I-AA history moving to the MAC wouldn't do much for them. If the administration wants to make the leap I think they will definitely shoot for the Big East. It would have to be football only though, as the basketball team is lackluster.

Now another proposition to consider is that OHIO moves down to I-AA, but that's a completely different topic. Can of worms opened.

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Posted: 9/23/2010 4:28 PM
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sorry, no way Navy gives up a national schedule that annually includes Air Force, Notre Dame, Army, and at least 2 games against good BCS conference schools.   And they'd be stuck with lesser choices when it comes to bowls...


You don't know until you ask.  Would you rather be asked to the school dance or no?  I don't see an insult in the MAC asking them.  I would only seen an insult if they rejected and the MAC then acted like jerks if they rejected. (which isn't inconceivable)
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Posted: 9/23/2010 6:38 PM
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[QUOTE=Bobcat36] Now another proposition to consider is that OHIO moves down to I-AA, but that's a completely different topic. Can of worms opened.


With OHIO on ESPN more than some Big East and ACC schools I just don't think moving down is in the cards. Granted, playing Ohio State makes Ohio look like an FCS squad but I think the overall brand of the school is pretty strong and recognizable. Ohio had a local TV contract in place with a Columbus TV station a few years ago. What I could see actually is Ohio, Miami and a few others leaving the MAC with ECU and Marshall leaving CUSA to form a group of Independents that would play each other every year for greater TV money. ECU before they joined CUSA had its own TV deal for football and Miami has a deal with ESPN to televise Football, Basketball, and Hockey. That explains is why Miami is on ESPN so much in football. Ohio and Miami out of the MAC would void the ESPN TV deal, then Ohio and Miami resign with ESPN to keep those exposures for themselves. The same would go for ECU, Marshall and CUSA.
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Posted: 9/23/2010 6:52 PM
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DelBobcat wrote:expand_more

BTW, the 20,750 average home attendance would have put them at the very TOP of the MAC. Just in front of Western Michigan which was around 20,300.


Yeah I noticed that too...Actually the more I read about the UD program, the more I realize moving into the MAC could be a step down for them...They'd need Big East money for it to be worth their time.  Honestly I'm shocked the Big East is after Temple as opposed to UD.

On a related note...I found the story behind the winged helmets fascinating...Love that stuff!



I think you are correct on this. Considering the program's success as one of the best programs in I-AA history moving to the MAC wouldn't do much for them. If the administration wants to make the leap I think they will definitely shoot for the Big East. It would have to be football only though, as the basketball team is lackluster.

Now another proposition to consider is that OHIO moves down to I-AA, but that's a completely different topic. Can of worms opened.



Marshall was a I-AA power before they came to the MAC, basically owned the conference, and then left.  While I do agree that Delaware will more than likely shoot hire than the MAC, there might not be any big conferences that will take them before they are proven at the FBS  level. 

Why not a league with the base of Ohio, Miami, ECU, UD, Marshall, and so on?  Maybe Akron and Kent as well.  Could have some potential.
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Posted: 9/23/2010 8:32 PM
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If Temple bolts (as I suspect they will) I would like to see invitations extended to Army and/or Navy.  They would be excellent additions to the conference.


Z, I have long longed for the MAC to make overtures to Army AND Navy, but I don't think they would consider it in their best interest.
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Posted: 9/23/2010 8:32 PM
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OU didn't know wrote:expand_more

BTW, the 20,750 average home attendance would have put them at the very TOP of the MAC. Just in front of Western Michigan which was around 20,300.


Yeah I noticed that too...Actually the more I read about the UD program, the more I realize moving into the MAC could be a step down for them...They'd need Big East money for it to be worth their time.  Honestly I'm shocked the Big East is after Temple as opposed to UD.

On a related note...I found the story behind the winged helmets fascinating...Love that stuff!



I think you are correct on this. Considering the program's success as one of the best programs in I-AA history moving to the MAC wouldn't do much for them. If the administration wants to make the leap I think they will definitely shoot for the Big East. It would have to be football only though, as the basketball team is lackluster.

Now another proposition to consider is that OHIO moves down to I-AA, but that's a completely different topic. Can of worms opened.



Marshall was a I-AA power before they came to the MAC, basically owned the conference, and then left.  While I do agree that Delaware will more than likely shoot hire than the MAC, there might not be any big conferences that will take them before they are proven at the FBS  level. 

Why not a league with the base of Ohio, Miami, ECU, UD, Marshall, and so on?  Maybe Akron and Kent as well.  Could have some potential.



I agree. I don't think that UD will be making the jump because they would deem a conference such as the MAC a step down, but a BCS conference wouldn't take them because of the risk. They're in that in-between status that leaves them no option but to remain where they are.

I also like the idea of this conference you are proposing. Maybe we could shoot for Villanova as well? And maybe Richmond? One more and we'd have 10 teams. This will never happen but I'd like it.
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Posted: 9/23/2010 9:36 PM
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Ohio had a local TV contract in place with a Columbus TV station a few years ago. What I could see actually is Ohio, Miami and a few others leaving the MAC with ECU and Marshall leaving CUSA to form a group of Independents that would play each other every year for greater TV money.


That's my line of thinking. There seems like there's always at least one major station on Saturdays not showing any football. For at least the Ohio markets, why couldn't we sign our own TV deals with those networks? Schedule around the higher profile games on each Saturday and we can always have a regional TV presence.
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Posted: 9/24/2010 9:49 AM
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why couldn't we sign our own TV deals with those networks?


I've been told the networks make more money showing whatever they show now instead of MAC football.
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why couldn't we sign our own TV deals with those networks?


I've been told the networks make more money showing whatever they show now instead of MAC football.


Hence that is why we may need to leave the MAC. Its never going to change. Take a look at how good the WAC has been over the last couple of years with Boise State and they aren't getting paid anything for their TV product.
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