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Posted: 9/25/2010 10:13 PM
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Glad we were able to engineer a comeback, which at least gives me some hope for the rest of the season.  Was a gutsy call to go for the win, would have been huge for the team if we had got it.  Still against a team that hadn't won yet this year and how we have played so far this season against FBS competition the expectations for this team have nose-dived to hopefully just ending the year with a winning record.
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Posted: 9/25/2010 10:16 PM
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That was really a great effort and a great football game.  Ohio's 331 yards was much improved offensive output.  The team should be fine this year, although it would sure help to have the two best players on the team in Brazill and Keller available.
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Posted: 9/25/2010 10:17 PM
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My opinion on going for two in that situation has always been the following: If you think you are the better team, take it to overtime. If you think you are not the better team, go for two.

I wasn't able to watch the game, so I can't give the exact opinion on what I'd do. I can't imagine Marshall being that much better, however. 
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Posted: 9/25/2010 10:23 PM
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I was surprised, but you are on the road, and Marshall seems to have outplayed you much of the game...I still would have kicked but it is not a terrible call, just one that didn't work.
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Posted: 9/25/2010 10:33 PM
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My opinion on going for two in that situation has always been the following: If you think you are the better team, take it to overtime. If you think you are not the better team, go for two.

I wasn't able to watch the game, so I can't give the exact opinion on what I'd do. I can't imagine Marshall being that much better, however. 


We should be the better team. In fact, shouldn't Solich have "his" team in place by now? This is his 6th year. With his reported recruiting and coaching abilities, shouldn't he have a winning record at Ohio? (He doesn't).

I'm not impressed.
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Posted: 9/25/2010 10:37 PM
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My opinion on going for two in that situation has always been the following: If you think you are the better team, take it to overtime. If you think you are not the better team, go for two.

I wasn't able to watch the game, so I can't give the exact opinion on what I'd do. I can't imagine Marshall being that much better, however. 


We should be the better team. In fact, shouldn't Solich have "his" team in place by now? This is his 6th year. With his reported recruiting and coaching abilities, shouldn't he have a winning record at Ohio? (He doesn't).

I'm not impressed.


Nor am I.
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Posted: 9/25/2010 11:45 PM
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Somebody help me out.... didn';t the receiver just fall down in the end zone and have the ball go over his head?  He stays on his feet, we win.

Still a poor performance but at least we were not manhandled like last year.
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Posted: 9/25/2010 11:50 PM
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And, on their two pointer why do we have LB on a RB or WR?  Where was the extra DB?  Even the announcers said it was a match up made for marshall.
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Posted: 9/26/2010 12:06 AM
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So that's where the program is at - just trying to make it a game with Marshall?

Wow. Maybe trying to get decent opponents to Peden isn't really worth the trouble.

Bring on Eastern Illinois.
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Posted: 9/26/2010 7:36 AM
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That was really a great effort and a great football game.  Ohio's 331 yards was much improved offensive output.  The team should be fine this year, although it would sure help to have the two best players on the team in Brazill and Keller available.


Should be fine? The season is 1/4 over. If you consider a 4-8/ 5-7 season fine then I guess we will be ok. The goal every year should be 7 wins at a minimum and a bowl game. I dont see us going 6-2 over the last 8 games. This was a must win.
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Posted: 9/26/2010 8:23 AM
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This game just like the last 3 points out that we do not have a good enough offense to win games on their own. If it wasn't for the D last year forcing all those turnovers we would have had another loosing season. Therefore like it or not we are in for another loosing season.
It appears that we just cannot seem to have back to back winning seasons. This issue seems to lie in the O-Line and the QB positions.





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Posted: 9/26/2010 8:57 AM
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Casper71 wrote:expand_more
And, on their two pointer why do we have LB on a RB or WR? Where was the extra DB? Even the announcers said it was a match up made for marshall.
Casper71, are you saying Ohio should have been sans LBs defending a 2 point conversion? Sir, unless you go totally sans LBs there will be that matchup. In the end it falls to the players to make plays, in this case Marshall did. Last year in the bowl Marshall was better, this year at home Marshall was only one point better than Ohio. Tough loss, preseason I thought Ohio would win, without LB and Keller this is how it goes. Without LB and Keller my expectations have been tempered. The players were in a position to win if they made the plays, they did not. Credit Marshall.
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Posted: 9/26/2010 9:06 AM
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71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
This game just like the last 3 points out that we do not have a good enough offense to win games on their own. If it wasn't for the D last year forcing all those turnovers we would have had another loosing season. Therefore like it or not we are in for another loosing season.
It appears that we just cannot seem to have back to back winning seasons. This issue seems to lie in the O-Line and the QB positions.

GO BOBCATS
Sir, last year this was a bowl matchup. This year same teams but Ohio is without its top playmaker from each side of the ball. Given this and the home field I thought it was sufficient that it came down to the players had the chance to win if they made some plays.
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Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
And, on their two pointer why do we have LB on a RB or WR? Where was the extra DB? Even the announcers said it was a match up made for marshall.


Casper71, are you saying Ohio should have been sans LBs defending a 2 point conversion? Sir, unless you go totally sans LBs there will be that matchup. In the end it falls to the players to make plays, in this case Marshall did. Last year in the bowl Marshall was better, this year at home Marshall was only one point better than Ohio. Tough loss, preseason I thought Ohio would win, without LB and Keller this is how it goes. Without LB and Keller my expectations have been tempered. The players were in a position to win if they made the plays, they did not. Credit Marshall.


Here we go with the injury excuses again. We have those excuses every year. Why is that?



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Posted: 9/26/2010 9:32 AM
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AintBeenGood wrote:expand_more
And, on their two pointer why do we have LB on a RB or WR? Where was the extra DB? Even the announcers said it was a match up made for marshall.


Casper71, are you saying Ohio should have been sans LBs defending a 2 point conversion? Sir, unless you go totally sans LBs there will be that matchup. In the end it falls to the players to make plays, in this case Marshall did. Last year in the bowl Marshall was better, this year at home Marshall was only one point better than Ohio. Tough loss, preseason I thought Ohio would win, without LB and Keller this is how it goes. Without LB and Keller my expectations have been tempered. The players were in a position to win if they made the plays, they did not. Credit Marshall.


Here we go with the injury excuses again. We have those excuses every year. Why is that?
No excuses. We go away against a bowl team from last year. One that was better than Ohio then, spot them our best players from each side of the ball and it still comes down to execution of a few plays. No excuses necessary, I am still a fan of this team. Sorry if you are disappointed. I am sure the athletes are too.
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Posted: 9/26/2010 9:54 AM
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Bcat2....
Your point is well taken concerning the 2 injured players.
My point remains about the QB & OL.......We have not seen the kind of improvement in these two areas for our offense
to score points and win games on their own.
Last year out record was more the result of the D forcing turnovers than the O scoring touchdowns.
I think if the O-line doesn't do their job in giving the QB time to pass, without being under pressure, we will continue to struggle.
A great O-line can make an average QB look good.
A great O-line can make an average running back look good.
I believe we have 2 above average QB's.
I believe we have average running backs.
So it really starts with the O-line, and ours need improvement.
There is still time in the season to turn things around but that time is running out.
In closing I would also like to make an observation that our team week in and week out needs to show more emotion and intensity.




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Posted: 9/26/2010 9:57 AM
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In closing I would also like to make an observation that our team week in and week out needs to show more emotion and intensity. 

Where's Patrick Tafua when you need him?
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Posted: 9/26/2010 3:28 PM
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On stupd cow's conversion for two points, they had 3 receivers to the right and we had only two defenders over there--at least at the start of the play.  I don't get it.

They beat us like an elementary school team on that play.
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Posted: 9/26/2010 4:31 PM
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Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:expand_more
On stupd cow's conversion for two points, they had 3 receivers to the right and we had only two defenders over there--at least at the start of the play. I don't get it.

They beat us like an elementary school team on that play.
Monroe, good, now perhaps you would like to e-mail this to coach B the DC. I bet you could save them a lot of film study. He might even invite you to his meeting witht the players. They need to know how disappointed you are. I bet you could keep them from ever lining up wrong ever again. Just wondering, in your study were there any plays that went Ohio's way or was this a total lay down like you have portrayed the Toledo and Ohio State games?
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Posted: 9/26/2010 5:23 PM
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Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:expand_more
On stupd cow's conversion for two points, they had 3 receivers to the right and we had only two defenders over there--at least at the start of the play.  I don't get it.

They beat us like an elementary school team on that play.


One of the oldest plays there is. It's a pick (defense) or rub (offense) Outside 2 receivers run slants while #3 runs flat. Receivers are instructed to run at the defenders because the tendency is to try to avoid the receiver to get to their man. Best way to defend it is to have a corner sit in the flat. Hell I don't care if we play man but we let the receivers off the line without hitting them. Defense without Keller is soft
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Posted: 9/26/2010 7:36 PM
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Last Edited: 9/26/2010 7:38:57 PM by John C. Wanamaker
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Posted: 9/27/2010 5:40 AM
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We should be the better team. In fact, shouldn't Solich have "his" team in place by now? This is his 6th year. With his reported recruiting and coaching abilities, shouldn't he have a winning record at Ohio? (He doesn't).

I'm not impressed.


He had a winning record entering the season, and is curently tied for 4th on the Ohio all time wins list.  He should be in sole posession of 3rd by the end of next season at the latest.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's up thee in winning percentage too.

It's not like he came to a program with a winning tradition and promptly ran it into the ground.  It takes a little more then 6 years to undo 100 or so years of mediocre football.
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Posted: 9/27/2010 9:38 AM
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bcat2, my point is (and the announcer confirmed it) we GAVE them the match up they wanted.  I also agree that it was a simple pick play as was pointed out.  You must do the old bump and run there or you loose every time.  Our LB and their wide out was NOT a match up we could win.  Tthey had a good play called, saw the defense and executed the play.  We, on the other hand, did not.  Sorta the story of this year so far.
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