menu
Logo
Ohio Football Topic
Topic: the LOVE finds this laughable.....
Page: 3 of 3
Athens
General User
A
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 5,454
person
mail
Athens
mail
Posted: 11/1/2010 9:22 PM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
And honestly, as far as BCS conference schools coming to Peden...  What exactly are you guys looking for?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just looking for a rational, reasonable discussion.

Is it "name recognition"?

Is the purpose to tell your friends you're going to go see the Ohio-Indiana game at Peden?

500 miles from Athens is a large swatch of the United States...  Feel free to list the sort of schools you'd like to have visit.


BCS teams within roughly a 500 mile radius (driving distance) of Athens I would like to play after 2016:
  • Maryland
  • Rutgers
  • West Virginia
  • Louisville
  • Cincinnati
  • NC State
  • Duke
  • Virginia
  • Wake Forest
  • Clemson
  • Kentucky
  • Purdue
  • Illinois
  • Indiana
500 miles is key due to the inconvenience for teams flying to Columbus then continuing the drive to Athens. I have no facts to base this off of but I'd assume teams consider more than 500 miles to be a hasselment. (To give you an idea of what 500 miles is, think Philly, St. Louis, Clemson SC)

Name recognition is it. I buy generic medicine, but to bring this program to a recognizable level we need BCS wins for the people that buy Nyquil instead of Equate.


I think we've come to a consensus that there is nothing gained by getting blasted by a top 10 team which has a greater than 50% chance of happening when Ohio plays the likes of an Ohio State or an Alabama. We go against a team like Clemson and likely we could be competitive with a real shot at winning. Kind of like Tennessee last year. With the MAC being so regional as it is I'd like to see the program go outside of the 500 mile radius and schedule some winnable BCS around the country to get the program more out of the shadow of Big Ten country. Honestly, I don't really care about having a BCS opponent at Peden Stadium. Navy and Marshall will work just as well for bringing fans and attracting local interest as those names you have in the list. Think about the difference between opening with Wofford this season instead of UConn. UConn was 24.7k and Wofford was 23k. It was a difference of 1,700 fans. Marshall will bring far more to Peden than any BCS school and if they could actually get good again it would make it real interesting.
Andrew Ruck
General User
Member Since: 12/22/2004
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 5,648
mail
Andrew Ruck
mail
Posted: 11/1/2010 11:03 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
As an outside observer, it isn't my place to comment on where Ohio wants to go, or what their goals are or should be for the football team. On the other hand, I can comment on what I have observed. I've seen a lot of changes here since 2005. In that sense the loss of the data from the board back in 2005 is tragic because you can't go back an look at it. I see a lot of changes over the last five years.  As far as the team itself, clearly the talent and depth are dramatically better. Clearly the teams attitude has changed from wanting to believe they can win, to believing they can win to even expecting they can win. The fans have gone from a social club of people that gave up quickly at the first bad sign, and started the "wait until next year" or "when does Basketball start" talk to a group that expects to win, and even complains about bad wins. The fan base has also grown broader, and seems to include more students than before. I hear less complaining about students leaving at the half than I used to. Bowl games aren't something from 40 years ago, anymore, they are a distinct possibility every year.

Yes, there are a lot of changes. Does that mean that the changes are done? Personally I see Ohio Football as a work in process. Changing from where Ohio was to where some would like to be doesn't happen overnight, and even over 5 years sometimes the change seems imperceptibly slow, unless you take a step back and look at where you've come from. What is the future? How far can this program go within the MAC? Can the program ever grow beyond the MAC? How long will any of that take? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, except to say that if the program keeps getting a little better each year, we can look back in another 5 years and perhaps the difference will be just as clear as the difference between now and five years ago.


MonroeClassmate
General User
MC
Member Since: 8/31/2010
Post Count: 2,326
person
mail
MonroeClassmate
mail
Posted: 11/1/2010 11:27 PM
Just throwing this out....Is it difficult for Ohio to get good competition into Athens now that the program is more respectable? 

 Look at Central Michigan, clearly the best MAC team during the past 5 years.  Here is a look at their past out of conference opponents from their website:
10/11     Hampton
09/10     Alcorn State
08/09     Eastern Illinois
07/08     North Dakota State; ARMY
06/07     Boston College
05/06     Indiana
04/05     SE Missouri State

Why would Central not continue to go with the three consecutive years of Indiana, BC, Army?  Once they got very good by MAC standards they revert to some pretty small time opponents--by design or default?  And only one game too.




Monroe Slavin
General User
MS
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Oxnard, CA
Post Count: 9,121
person
mail
Monroe Slavin
mail
Posted: 11/1/2010 11:36 PM

Let's leave who we can get to come to Peden aside for a moment.

What would the effect of beating a bigboy BCS team on the road (Penn State, anyone) be on home attendance?

sargentfan
General User
S
Member Since: 3/17/2005
Post Count: 917
person
mail
sargentfan
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 11:10 AM
A couple things as I am late to the party.  Yes our schedule is not the greatest and some years are worse than others, but if we want to guarantee bowl eligibility than thats what we have to schedule for now.  Right now we are a good team, but you need to be building to a greater status before you really start to up the ante, like a Boise or a Utah.  Also remember that scheduling is also based on recruiting, so some games that don't make sense normally make sense when you factor in that we are scheduling games against teams in areas we would like to expand our recruiting, hence trips to Wyoming and Louisiana and even Rutgers next year.  

As for attendance this last weekend I will give it a pass for now, we had over 20K for our other home games and we scheduled this game for Halloween.  For one you will get people who won't want to deal with Athens during Halloween, so less regular folk attend and secondly you have a student population whose main focus has always been on the partying.  And if you factor in that Halloween is a major part to why OU is a ranked party school it doesn't take a genius to expect that the student population was going to be otherwise indisposed.  Especially since we didn't schedule an opponent in which their friends coming into Athens would want to see.

We are still an up and down team, a good team for the MAC, but nowhere near great.  Luckily for us the MAC usually just a has a bunch of good teams and maybe one great team each year.  The plan needs to be for us to become that consistent great team like CMU had been and with a coach in it for the long haul we would have a better chance of keeping that consistency unlike CMU who has had to deal with coaching turnover.  We can complain about the schedule week after week, but to me it seems like Schaus and Frank have a plan for how to turn this program into a great team and right now we are in the building phase.  Now if we get farther along in this process and nothing has changed then by all means bring out the torches.  But for now I am content with more winning seasons than losing seasons, MAC Championship Game appearances, and Bowl invites.  Come back to me after 2-3 more seasons if things haven't changed for the better.
John C. Wanamaker
General User
Member Since: 1/2/2005
Post Count: 1,103
mail
John C. Wanamaker
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 11:36 AM
Wes wrote:expand_more
The only reason that I can tell that we aren't doing this right now, is the fact that Coach Solich prefers to play cupcakes OOC, aside from the one big money buy game per season.


It was stated by Schaus at the time the contracts were signed was that it he wanted to lightened the schedule for right now until the football program became more established. Keep in mind the announcement on the schedule came after the 2008 season where the Bobcats were 4-8 and not contending for division titles. For the most part the scheduling philosophy is right on the money. Six home games help to bolster the season ticket base. The majority of fans agree that 6 home games are a plus as is having Marshall in Peden Stadium every other year. The majority of fans are willing to accept a money game on the schedule every year and an FCS for bowl eligibility. Its really that last OOC game against a WAC school that doesn't really make very much sense. Schaus probably felt that with Marshall and usually a southern based FCS on the schedule that playing western schools for kicks would mix things up. Ohio would be better served trying to land a long term series with Navy only a 6 hour drive from Peden Stadium. That saves travel costs rather than having to play out west, Navy is a school located in traditional mid atlantic recruiting territory, and would be a marquee game for the fans. I'd rather see Ohio take greater chances on its money games and try UCLA, Texas A&M, Florida State type programs. Programs that have name recognition that you know are not going to be top 5 title contenders anytime soon but to make things interesting for recruits.


Wes, I hate to tell you but we have turned down Navy multiple times over the past five years.  We have even turned them down for a National Prime time telecast.  Some people simply refuse to play Navy.
Athens
General User
A
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 5,454
person
mail
Athens
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 11:37 AM
Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:expand_more

Let's leave who we can get to come to Peden aside for a moment.

What would the effect of beating a bigboy BCS team on the road (Penn State, anyone) be on home attendance?



It would help our perception. I can remember when UConn transitioned to 1-A and they played Boston College tough for the first time bringing out a lot of additional fans for that reason when we played them up at Storrs. The perception by the fans by and large is that we are still a mid level MAC team and not a national player. If the record was 8-1 right now we'd probably be sitting in the top 25 and that would have made a huge difference in the Halloween crowd.
bobcatsquared
General User
B
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 5,851
person
mail
bobcatsquared
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 3:07 PM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
Wes, I hate to tell you but we have turned down Navy multiple times over the past five years.  We have even turned them down for a National Prime time telecast.  Some people simply refuse to play Navy.


As a lifetime ND fan, predating being a Bobcat fan, I sometimes wish the Irish would simply refuse to play Navy.
Jeff McKinney
Moderator
JM
Member Since: 11/12/2004
Post Count: 6,163
person
mail
Jeff McKinney
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 3:19 PM
[QUOTE/]Luckily for us the MAC usually just a has a bunch of good teams... .[/QUOTE]

Oh, how I wish the MAC really did have a "bunch of good teams".   Other than two or three decent teams at the top, this conference is putrid this year.  And that's become the rule rather than the exception in recent years... 
Monroe Slavin
General User
MS
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Oxnard, CA
Post Count: 9,121
person
mail
Monroe Slavin
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 4:29 PM
Wes wrote:expand_more

Let's leave who we can get to come to Peden aside for a moment.

What would the effect of beating a bigboy BCS team on the road (Penn State, anyone) be on home attendance?



It would help our perception. I can remember when UConn transitioned to 1-A and they played Boston College tough for the first time bringing out a lot of additional fans for that reason when we played them up at Storrs. The perception by the fans by and large is that we are still a mid level MAC team and not a national player. If the record was 8-1 right now we'd probably be sitting in the top 25 and that would have made a huge difference in the Halloween crowd.


So, someone else thinks we should be 8-1 now?  Thought I was solo.

If Jeff McK thinks the MAC bottom part is putrid, you know there's some serious stench there. 
oucs 1986
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Mason, OH
Post Count: 251
mail
oucs 1986
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 5:41 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE/]Luckily for us the MAC usually just a has a bunch of good teams... .[/QUOTE]

Oh, how I wish the MAC really did have a "bunch of good teams". Other than two or three decent teams at the top, this conference is putrid this year. And that's become the rule rather than the exception in recent years...
In my opinion, this is the single largest reason that the LOVE can point to the "strength of schedule" as an argument...

Honestly, the conference (as a whole) is terrible, and since we play most of those teams for the majority of our schedule, then it's a fait d'accompli that the "strength of schedule" is poor.

Peace,
-john
sargentfan
General User
S
Member Since: 3/17/2005
Post Count: 917
person
mail
sargentfan
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 5:55 PM
oucs 1986 wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE/]Luckily for us the MAC usually just a has a bunch of good teams... .


Oh, how I wish the MAC really did have a "bunch of good teams". Other than two or three decent teams at the top, this conference is putrid this year. And that's become the rule rather than the exception in recent years... [/QUOTE]

In my opinion, this is the single largest reason that the LOVE can point to the "strength of schedule" as an argument...

Honestly, the conference (as a whole) is terrible, and since we play most of those teams for the majority of our schedule, then it's a fait d'accompli that the "strength of schedule" is poor.

Peace,
-john


Sorry when I said that I was meaning specifically conference play, the MAC has a lot of parity, so for the the league standings there are usually a bunch of good teams and only one great team.  Does that clarification satisfy you?
DublinCat
General User
DC
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 236
person
mail
DublinCat
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 6:08 PM
oucs 1986 wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE/]Luckily for us the MAC usually just a has a bunch of good teams... .


Oh, how I wish the MAC really did have a "bunch of good teams". Other than two or three decent teams at the top, this conference is putrid this year. And that's become the rule rather than the exception in recent years... [/QUOTE]

In my opinion, this is the single largest reason that the LOVE can point to the "strength of schedule" as an argument...

Honestly, the conference (as a whole) is terrible, and since we play most of those teams for the majority of our schedule, then it's a fait d'accompli that the "strength of schedule" is poor.

Peace,
-john


The MAC has always been the weakest link and last option to play in IA (FBS).  Now its a toss up between the MAC and Sun Belt.  The difference is we are betting most of the teams vs. losing.  While you may think the conference is terrible...try telling that to Akron, EMU and BG.  They are now where we used to be.  The quality of play in the MAC is far better today than it was 20 - 25 years ago. 
Last Edited: 11/2/2010 6:09:46 PM by DublinCat
Ohio Alum84
General User
OA
Member Since: 7/29/2010
Location: Washington Court House, OH
Post Count: 115
person
mail
Ohio Alum84
mail
Posted: 11/2/2010 11:15 PM
First off,  Coach isFrank Solich  doing job at a great OHIO UNIIVERSITY - I HOPE HE IS THE BOBCAT COACH FOR A REAL LONG TIME!
Secondly,  Louisanna Lafayette is not nearly as bad a team as what you say.  I watched them against Oklahoma Stae who is 7-1 and they were ahead of OSU at halftime by four points and looked pretty darn good.
Third, I believe our BOBCAT FOOTBALL team is giving us a great year!  I guess that you're forgetting the many injuries that we've had.  We lost the best middle LBer, Noah Keller,  in the MAC.  We lost a great player in Brazill.
Our BOBCAT TEAM struggled throuhg injuries during the ohio state game and the marshall game.  We lost Gerald at safety and had other players who were playing injured.  And, Louisanna had a lot of injuries.
We are now getting players experienced who had to step up - hopefully, we weathered the injuries.

Coach Solich  has the integrity and coaching skills that the BOBCATS
Showing Messages: 51 - 65 of 64
MAC News Links
Tuesday, May 12, 2026



extra small (< 576px)
small (>= 576px)
medium (>= 768px)
large (>= 992px)
x-large (>= 1200px)
xx-large (>= 1400px)