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Posted: 11/16/2010 10:18 AM
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My conclusion after reading the debate between Wes, Flomo, et. al., is that these convoluted rules and regulations can be summarized in one word -- CARTEL.  It's high time for a real national playoff system that includes representatives from all FBS conferences.  I wasn't always a proponent of a playoff system, but it's now clear that nothing even halfway fair will come about until we have such a system in place.  


I'm with you. I didn't always want a playoff either. But the bowl system has just gotten worse and worse. Of course, a playoff also would likley exclude MAC teams, of course, so I'm not sure how it would help Ohio. There's no way they would expand a playoff field large enough to include a MAC team unfortunately.

If Ohio doesn't beat Temple, it probably will be hard to predict a bowl because the Bobcats might be the fourth pick from the MAC. Then it becomes all dependent on exactly which which conferences are unable to fill their bowl obligations. Of course, a victory probably means one of the league-affiliated bowls, most likley one of the same two we went to the last two times.
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UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
My conclusion after reading the debate between Wes, Flomo, et. al., is that these convoluted rules and regulations can be summarized in one word -- CARTEL.  It's high time for a real national playoff system that includes representatives from all FBS conferences.  I wasn't always a proponent of a playoff system, but it's now clear that nothing even halfway fair will come about until we have such a system in place.  


I'm with you. I didn't always want a playoff either. But the bowl system has just gotten worse and worse. Of course, a playoff also would likley exclude MAC teams, of course, so I'm not sure how it would help Ohio. There's no way they would expand a playoff field large enough to include a MAC team unfortunately.

If Ohio doesn't beat Temple, it probably will be hard to predict a bowl because the Bobcats might be the fourth pick from the MAC. Then it becomes all dependent on exactly which which conferences are unable to fill their bowl obligations. Of course, a victory probably means one of the league-affiliated bowls, most likley one of the same two we went to the last two times.


The sad thing is a loss will probably deliver a better bowl opponent. We could maybe get a Utah or BYU instead of Troy or LA-Monroe.
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Posted: 11/16/2010 10:49 AM
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My conclusion after reading the debate between Wes, Flomo, et. al., is that these convoluted rules and regulations can be summarized in one word -- CARTEL.  It's high time for a real national playoff system that includes representatives from all FBS conferences.  I wasn't always a proponent of a playoff system, but it's now clear that nothing even halfway fair will come about until we have such a system in place.  


I'm with you. I didn't always want a playoff either. But the bowl system has just gotten worse and worse. Of course, a playoff also would likley exclude MAC teams, of course, so I'm not sure how it would help Ohio. There's no way they would expand a playoff field large enough to include a MAC team unfortunately.

If Ohio doesn't beat Temple, it probably will be hard to predict a bowl because the Bobcats might be the fourth pick from the MAC. Then it becomes all dependent on exactly which which conferences are unable to fill their bowl obligations. Of course, a victory probably means one of the league-affiliated bowls, most likley one of the same two we went to the last two times.


The sad thing is a loss will probably deliver a better bowl opponent. We could maybe get a Utah or BYU instead of Troy or LA-Monroe.



I have been quietly stewing about that myself but didn't want to mention this on the board. You're right, a loss tonight probably sends us somewhere away from the MAC tie-ins, might earn us a bigger payout, and  a more attractive opponent. However, I can't possibly sit and root for us to lose. Especially with guys like MH55 running around on here yapping their jaw.
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Be careful what you ask for.  A proposed system for a playoff is in SI this week in which the MAC is guaranteed a berth in a 16 team bracket.  Predictably, we get the #15 seed and - hold your applause - the BCS #2 seed in a first round game.

Logistically I would think such a system would award home games to the high seeds in at least the first round.  So the reward for winning the MAC championship is a trip to an extremely hostile game environment arranged on very short notice.  Not even taking into account the opponent waiting there.

In comparison, I was lucky enough to go to the GMAC bowl with the 'Cats in 2006 and it was a virtual love-in.  The Mobile community went overboard in welcoming both teams.  We got a pleasant winter vacation accompanied by a football game. 

Both teams fans were friendly and respectful of each other throughout the week and the game was a delight for that reason.  Even though we lost, we were competitive going in and the outcome was seriously debated until kickoff.

I don't see myself enjoying a first round playoff game nearly as much - assuming I could even get there.   The realistic chances of a win are pretty low for us and that would further dampen the atmosphere.  No thanks.
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I don't see myself enjoying a first round playoff game nearly as much - assuming I could even get there.   The realistic chances of a win are pretty low for us and that would further dampen the atmosphere.  No thanks.


So what you're saying is You'd rather us go to a bowl game and play for nothing other than pride (almost assuredly lose money doing it) than have the chance to play one of the top teams in the country with the opportunity to advance closer to a national title (and depending on the details likely make a fairly large sum of money)? Really?? 

The odds of that panning out are very low, but I'll take "pretty low" over a big fat goose egg any day of the week.
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We need the cash.  Playoff system would probably bring a lot more money to the mix (for all involved) so it will probably happen.

 I'm against it.  I don' think the MAC will get an automatic invite if there are only 16 slots.  I'm thinking that we'll have to meet criteria (record, ranking, whatever) to get in.

Playoffs will bring certainty and end arguments.  I like the current system better.
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Posted: 11/16/2010 12:33 PM
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Be careful what you ask for.  A proposed system for a playoff is in SI this week in which the MAC is guaranteed a berth in a 16 team bracket.  Predictably, we get the #15 seed and - hold your applause - the BCS #2 seed in a first round game.

Logistically I would think such a system would award home games to the high seeds in at least the first round.  So the reward for winning the MAC championship is a trip to an extremely hostile game environment arranged on very short notice.  Not even taking into account the opponent waiting there.

In comparison, I was lucky enough to go to the GMAC bowl with the 'Cats in 2006 and it was a virtual love-in.  The Mobile community went overboard in welcoming both teams.  We got a pleasant winter vacation accompanied by a football game. 

Both teams fans were friendly and respectful of each other throughout the week and the game was a delight for that reason.  Even though we lost, we were competitive going in and the outcome was seriously debated until kickoff.

I don't see myself enjoying a first round playoff game nearly as much - assuming I could even get there.   The realistic chances of a win are pretty low for us and that would further dampen the atmosphere.  No thanks.


Any system that does not allow us the oppurtunity to reach the top of the Div. 1 mountain is not one I want to be in. Yes, sure the vacations are great and we get to match our mediocre team up against another mediocre team. But if we have a fantastic season and win our conference and we get matched up against #2 Auburn on the road, then bring them on. How many people outside of us on BA really thought we had any shot against Georgetown? There's no point in playing in the big league if you have 0% chance of winning the whole thing. I at least would like that chance to go toe to toe with a big boy in a playoff. It's absolutely better than playing in Mobile in the GoDaddy.com Bowl.
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Posted: 11/16/2010 12:43 PM
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Per SI - it is about money, but particularly to a few power brokers.  A good read in this weeks magazine:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/M...
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I don't see myself enjoying a first round playoff game nearly as much - assuming I could even get there.   The realistic chances of a win are pretty low for us and that would further dampen the atmosphere.  No thanks.


So what you're saying is You'd rather us go to a bowl game and play for nothing other than pride (almost assuredly lose money doing it) than have the chance to play one of the top teams in the country with the opportunity to advance closer to a national title (and depending on the details likely make a fairly large sum of money)? Really?? 

The odds of that panning out are very low, but I'll take "pretty low" over a big fat goose egg any day of the week.


Yep.  Very selfish of me, isn't it? 

The referenced article also makes it pretty clear that even the largest programs (i.e. OSU) don't make money on bowls only the bowls do. (maybe playoffs will be different?).
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I don't see myself enjoying a first round playoff game nearly as much - assuming I could even get there.   The realistic chances of a win are pretty low for us and that would further dampen the atmosphere.  No thanks.


So what you're saying is You'd rather us go to a bowl game and play for nothing other than pride (almost assuredly lose money doing it) than have the chance to play one of the top teams in the country with the opportunity to advance closer to a national title (and depending on the details likely make a fairly large sum of money)? Really?? 

The odds of that panning out are very low, but I'll take "pretty low" over a big fat goose egg any day of the week.


Yep.  Very selfish of me, isn't it? 

The referenced article also makes it pretty clear that even the largest programs (i.e. OSU) don't make money on bowls only the bowls do. (maybe playoffs will be different?).


If you're talking about your personal fan experience at the game itself including travel and on site activities I can see how you might think that way,.  I tend to think more of what's better for the program so my comment was geared towards that.

If all this did happen you could always root for us to not win the championship so we could go to a lower level bowl somewhere warm (or Detroit!)

Did you enjoy the CBI game vs Bradley more than the Georgetown game??  That's a very similar scenario to what we're discussing here.
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Posted: 11/16/2010 7:09 PM
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Indeed I am speaking only as a selfish fan and a fan of college football, not just our 'Cats.

I like the bowl system and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

I would bet everything I have (Ha!) that a playoff wouldn't settle much.  All you have to do is look at the MAC hoops tourney.  Or maybe you believe that Ohio was the best and only team in the MAC in 2010 deserving of an NCAA berth.  After all, we won the "playoff".

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I don't see myself enjoying a first round playoff game nearly as much - assuming I could even get there.   The realistic chances of a win are pretty low for us and that would further dampen the atmosphere.  No thanks.


So what you're saying is You'd rather us go to a bowl game and play for nothing other than pride (almost assuredly lose money doing it) than have the chance to play one of the top teams in the country with the opportunity to advance closer to a national title (and depending on the details likely make a fairly large sum of money)? Really?? 

The odds of that panning out are very low, but I'll take "pretty low" over a big fat goose egg any day of the week.


Yep.  Very selfish of me, isn't it? 

The referenced article also makes it pretty clear that even the largest programs (i.e. OSU) don't make money on bowls only the bowls do. (maybe playoffs will be different?).


If you're talking about your personal fan experience at the game itself including travel and on site activities I can see how you might think that way,.  I tend to think more of what's better for the program so my comment was geared towards that.

If all this did happen you could always root for us to not win the championship so we could go to a lower level bowl somewhere warm (or Detroit!)

Did you enjoy the CBI game vs Bradley more than the Georgetown game??  That's a very similar scenario to what we're discussing here.


No its not.  In basketball there's at least a nominal chance for a mid-major like Ohio to do some damage.  A Kent State can make the Elite 8, a Bradley can make it to the finals.  In football there are only 20 or so schools that have a realistic shot to win the championship, if that.  Unfortunately your kidding yourself if you think any of the MAC schools can honestly compete for a BCS championship the way the system's currently structured.
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Posted: 11/16/2010 7:36 PM
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I meant similar in the fact at that point in the season we were playing for nothing in one game (I consider a championship of the CBI nothing) and a chance to play for a national championship in the other.  Obviously on day one we at least have some shot at a national championship (admittedly small due to many factors). 

I'm 100% in favor of 16 team playoff with 4 at large teams to be decided similarly to how the top 2 teams are now.

I really enjoy college football but my level of interest would increase dramatically with a playoff system.    I watch a fair amount of bowl games now but I guarantee I would watch every game in a playoff system. 
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What now SI? 
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There is no more than a -15% chance of a 16 team D-IA college football playoff in the next 20 years (yes, that is a negative, as in its so unlikely as to be laughable). An 8 team playoff, yeah, that is a possibility (6 D-IA conference champions + the 2 highest ranked teams that aren't D-IA conference concerence champions). The SI model is about as likely a model to determine the national champion as is one that uses the NCAA Academic Progress Ratings (APRs) to seed a 16 team tourneyment.
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