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OhioCatFan

11/20/2025 3:17 PM

STVCastle wrote:expand_more

Trying to apply simple logic here as best I can:

Toledo, Ohio, and Miami are tied at the end.

Toledo and Ohio both beat Miami.

Toledo and Ohio didn't play each other.

BUT because Miami beat WMU, the 1st place team, they get the special Golden Ticket in the event of a tie with the 2 teams that did beat them.....

In what world does this end result become logical?

Just take Miami out of the equation.

MAC leadership should get roasted for this two-faced tiebreaker system.

If you've got it figure out right, this is downright ridiculous!

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Victory

11/20/2025 4:44 PM

STVCastle wrote:expand_more

It is voodoo. But in all honesty so is straight up head to head. I mean losing to the other tied team is a good loss Which means that somewhere the team that won H2H took a bad loss. So the reasoning is send the team with the good win and bad loss over the team that look the bad loss with a good win. I mean, this is as good of a tiebreak as any, but they are all pretty much voodoo. As it is traditional to use it as the first tiebreak in the US, it makes sense for it to the first tiebreaker, but that doesn't mean that this is common in the rest of the world or that we actual reason to think that the winner is better if they finished with the same record against an equivalent schedule anyway. But you have to pick some voodoo tiebreaker. It is as good as anything else.

I have heard some talking heads complain this week that the tournament committee is focused on who teams have lost to when they care about who you have beaten. If you want to follow analytics or ask a vegas oddsmaker which is more indicative of who wins in the future then they both matter about the same.

That said, I do think this is crazy on the MAC's part. If you have this as step one, you have if they all didn't play each other but one team did play everyone and go unbeaten then that team is promoted. You would then think if they all didn't play but one team lost to them all that team would be eliminated at this step.

Last Edited: 11/20/2025 7:11:27 PM by Victory

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ExCat21

11/20/2025 9:05 PM

To me it's as good as it gets. I hope we stay with it, even though it's drama-filled and can be confusing to the common fan. As Miami, Toledo and OU compete as the second team, Miami would be the better choice unfortunately and a great story for old Chuck and that QB situation they are dealing with.

With Miami already beating the #1 team and us needing help from an outside team against another tied team who needs help within the tied pool, it just makes sense that we are on the outside looking in. With no divisions, you can't lose to a bad team in a tie situation verses teams that have better losses from top teams.

Essentially if you have a a bad loss, you need to root for that team for the rest of the season in case you are in a tie situation with multiple teams with other bad losses. This explains why Ball State finishing higher than BG means a lot. We need the Cards to have the best game of their season against the well-lit Rockets. "C'mon Ball State, go smash their glass bowls."

The door is almost shut but there's still a crack in it.

#1 - OU beats BUFF, EMU beats WMU, BSU beats TOL, NIU beats MIA. TOL beats CMU (OU vs WMU in MACC)

#2 - OU beats BUFF, EMU beats WMU, BSU beats TOL, MIA beats NIU. CMU beats TOL.(OU vs WMU in MACC) Higher rank.

Once again this makes sense that if Miami wins it was 1-2 vs the top teams and they beat the top team. With us, we need underdogs to win to find a way into the ship. If you're going to lose, lose to a top team not a bottom one.

One day down the road, there will be three 7-1 teams and this scenario will make even more sense. It's better to lose to a top team than a team not in the discussion.

Last Edited: 11/20/2025 9:10:55 PM by ExCat21

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TWT

11/21/2025 5:36 PM

I think we want Western to win because if they are in the 4 way tie they win tie-breaker #2 but then it goes tie-breaker #3 and Miami wins that one with a better record over common opponents.

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ExCat21

11/21/2025 6:30 PM

Miami needs all the big dogs to win to stay relevant. We need all the underdogs to win.

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BillyTheCat

11/22/2025 12:12 AM

STVCastle wrote:expand_more

Or we just beat Ball State

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LuckySparrow

11/22/2025 11:27 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more

STVCastle wrote:expand_more

Or we just beat Ball State

+1

That was such a winnable game.

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AlumDadDad

11/22/2025 12:52 PM

LuckySparrow wrote:expand_more

BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more

STVCastle wrote:expand_more

Or we just beat Ball State

+1

That was such a winnable game.

Absolutely. In fact, if you look at our 4 losses, we had very legitimate opportunities to win 3 of them.

I'm not usually a fan of "woulda coulda shoulda", but how different does our season look without a handfull of critical lapses?

The truth is that the team is where they're at in significant part as a result of lack of execution. While I really want to see this team go back to Detroit, if they don't, it's due to the fact that they just didn't play well enough.

I think Coach Smith definitely has the potential to take this team to the next level (no, not P4, but in top 25 and in the G5 discussion nationally). That being said, this is his first year as HC, and we didn't hit the portal jackpot quite like we did last year.

Last Edited: 11/22/2025 12:56:55 PM by AlumDadDad

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STVCastle

11/22/2025 3:33 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more

Or we just beat Ball State.

100% agree. Of course.

But I do see that there should be a push to change the tiebreaking procedure. Direct head-to-head doesn't seem to matter as much as who in the conference specifically a team beats, and that is an issue.

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Pataskala

11/22/2025 8:24 PM

Saturday final:

Toledo 38-BSU 9

Toledo goes to 5-2 and is tied for second with OHIO, CMU and MOFO.