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Posted: 11/22/2010 7:06 PM
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Flomo--I was going to concede your point based on your more specific memory vs. my hazy memory of Love agitation.  But here ya go.


Fair enough, I agree with you that Michigan State is unrealistic.  They would not play a non-Michigan MAC team on the road.
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Posted: 11/22/2010 8:22 PM
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World, welcome. Search for "Bobcat Love" in the search box and read my threads about football scheduling.

98% of this board is overjoyed about getting to play in a bowl game.

2% of us are realistic and realize that if you DO NOT play in a bowl game under the current 6 win setup - your season has been a failure....especially against a MAC that could be the worst in FBS.

Secondarily, I've been preaching for years now about how we've chased fans away with our heinous home out of conference schedule. Nobody wants to listen, as the kool-aid must taste pretty damn good.

It's great that Ohio Football is doing "well" in the context of our lackluster competition, but I'm not comfortable being the skinniest person at fat camp for much longer.


I can see why Solich wanted a softer schedule.  His first year at OU, they started off at NW, Pitt at home and at VT.  Only a great defensive effort got them a win in those three games (Pitt seemed shell-shocked.  I think when they got off the bus, they looked around and thought, "God, this is worse than Morgantown).  The next year, it was at nationally ranked Rutgers, at Mizzou (back-to-back) and at Illinois.  Thanks to Ron Zook, and OU's Bunker Mentality, they won one of three.  Solich needed to get the program into a winning mentality, and that's what the softer schedule has helped do.  I think it's time now, though, to get a few more high-profile teams -- either Big Six or upper-level non-AQ -- on the schedule.  I'd like to see two Big Six and two non-AQ, or two big guys plus a high-level non-AQ and a 1AA.

Part of the crappy bowl situation is that the MAC has always had to suck hind teet for bowl opponents.  A Big Six has been to the Detroit bowl once in the last five years (PU in '07).  The Mobile bowl has slipped from CUSA to Sun Belt as an opponent.  And the International Bowl against the Big East has been replaced with the Humanitarian Bowl against the WAC.  The irony lately has been that if a MAC team wants to play a somebody in a bowl game, they need to get bowl eligible but not get in the MAC championship, then get a secondary bid or picked up as an at-large. Improving OU's schedule won't help that.  It's a fact of life.
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Posted: 11/22/2010 8:32 PM
Michigan State is playing all of the directional Michigan's by offering 3-for-1 scheduling. So likely 4 beatdowns each and EMU/CMU/WMU gets 0 dollars, and maybe 1 good year of attendance for the year MSU plays the 'away' game. Travel-wise it may be a bit of a cost saver, but I don't see many positives out of doing something like this.
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Posted: 11/22/2010 8:36 PM
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Michigan State is playing all of the directional Michigan's by offering 3-for-1 scheduling. So likely 4 beatdowns each and EMU/CMU/WMU gets 0 dollars, and maybe 1 good year of attendance for the year MSU plays the 'away' game. Travel-wise it may be a bit of a cost saver, but I don't see many positives out of doing something like this.
  Hmm . . . the game I remember was the one two years ago when CMU beat MSU (at MSU) with some last second heroics, including, I believe an onside kick.  What I do remember is that it was a real exciting game and the "good guys" won!
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Posted: 11/22/2010 9:14 PM
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Michigan State is playing all of the directional Michigan's by offering 3-for-1 scheduling. So likely 4 beatdowns each and EMU/CMU/WMU gets 0 dollars, and maybe 1 good year of attendance for the year MSU plays the 'away' game. Travel-wise it may be a bit of a cost saver, but I don't see many positives out of doing something like this.
  Hmm . . . the game I remember was the one two years ago when CMU beat MSU (at MSU) with some last second heroics, including, I believe an onside kick.  What I do remember is that it was a real exciting game and the "good guys" won!


I'll stand by my comment. And in the meantime, CMU/WMU/EMU will lose out on a lot of money by scheduling this way.
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Posted: 11/23/2010 8:45 AM
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Tennessee, UConn, Rutgers, Penn State are games we need to win every time.  


Really? Every time? That's a big order, and significantly different from holding a winning record against some of the in-state MAC teams.


In the context of them being "mid level" BCS teams then I mean yes. To be taken seriously in the polls Ohio has got to consistently win against mid level BCS opponents. Again on the in-state schools Ohio is not just gettting to the point of not just holding their own or better (winning record) but always winning against them with rare exceptions. Like the way Fresno, Nevada, Hawaii ect sweep the lower tier every year in the WAC. Ohio would then be a regular top 40/top 25 type of team that is known nationally for quality football. That repuation has yet to be built. Notice how the ESPN analysts acted like Ohio was a lower tier team whipping up on Temple during the ESPN telecasts. Ohio football at this point doesn't have much of a reputation outside of conference experts. Trying to define the next level here after the program clears the MAC Championship hump.


I don't characterize Penn State or Tennessee as "mid-level" BCS. Their athletic budgets alone dismiss that label. Aside from cyclical down years, Tennessee consistently challenges for the SEC title. I don't keep up with Penn State, but it seems they are often in the Big 10 hunt.

If I pick teams from the Big 10 and SEC that I think Ohio should win against, I would start with Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Indiana, and maybe Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota depending on their recent successes.
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Posted: 11/23/2010 11:09 AM
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Tennessee, UConn, Rutgers, Penn State are games we need to win every time.  


Really? Every time? That's a big order, and significantly different from holding a winning record against some of the in-state MAC teams.


In the context of them being "mid level" BCS teams then I mean yes. To be taken seriously in the polls Ohio has got to consistently win against mid level BCS opponents. Again on the in-state schools Ohio is not just gettting to the point of not just holding their own or better (winning record) but always winning against them with rare exceptions. Like the way Fresno, Nevada, Hawaii ect sweep the lower tier every year in the WAC. Ohio would then be a regular top 40/top 25 type of team that is known nationally for quality football. That repuation has yet to be built. Notice how the ESPN analysts acted like Ohio was a lower tier team whipping up on Temple during the ESPN telecasts. Ohio football at this point doesn't have much of a reputation outside of conference experts. Trying to define the next level here after the program clears the MAC Championship hump.


I don't characterize Penn State or Tennessee as "mid-level" BCS. Their athletic budgets alone dismiss that label. Aside from cyclical down years, Tennessee consistently challenges for the SEC title. I don't keep up with Penn State, but it seems they are often in the Big 10 hunt.

If I pick teams from the Big 10 and SEC that I think Ohio should win against, I would start with Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Indiana, and maybe Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota depending on their recent successes.


I'm not talking about budgets in this. I'm talking about BCS programs that usually win 6-9 wins a year but are almost never in the BCS championship discussion. Kentucky I believe has slowly moved into that mid tier. I have no interest in playing BCS schools that win 3-5 games a year and beating them, I don't see how that improves the image of our team. At the same time I don't want to see the cats take lopsided losses at LSU or Oregon type programs. The Tennesse, Pitt, and UConn games are good challenge games for Ohio.
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Posted: 11/23/2010 11:13 AM

Until we can consistently win against MAC teams and get a bowl win or two against the likes of Southern Miss, Marshall and Troy, I don’t think we are in a position to say we should beat mid-level BCS conference teams “consistently.”   That said, I feel confident we approachng that tipping point.  Second, as pointed out by fothers, as we look at OOC games ala home and home, forget the dream of getting a TN, PSU, Clemson here, not because they may be “too good for us,” but because they travel too well to come to Pedan.  Case in point, PSU playing Indiana in MD because of travel value.  Washington? Please same situation as a TN or Clemson and 2500 miles away.  Focus on the mid/lower tiers that do not travel exceptionally well and are relatively close:  Wake, MD, VA, Indiana, NW, KY, Vandy, etc. 

 

I have no problem with the way the schedule has been set up to date (the “Kansas State” model), getting to bowls are important from a recruiting and practice perspective.  Pleasing fans with the schedule is not a driving objective.  But like others, as we are able to consistently generate 6 wins in conference, I feel there needs to be a migration to a money game (versus major team to get the payday), home and home vs. a lower tier BCS, a “like” school home and home - e,g, Sun Belt and either a second one of those or an FCS game.

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Posted: 11/23/2010 10:30 PM
patience my friends..


mind you that if a current playoff system was established we wouldn't have anything to be looking forward to postseason right now. im extremely happy for a bowl game - even if some of you think its against weak opponents. ignorence is a bliss
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Posted: 11/24/2010 9:47 AM
and also... yes the win against Georgetown was great, but in the grand scheme of things no one will care or even remember it (ouside of our fan base) unless were able to do it consistantly. people remember championships and bowl games. ohio doesnt pay for signs to be put up on the inside of Peden that read "Pittsburgh Upset".

know your role... give me a few more years of simple scheduling and mac championships that have big time schools wanting to come play us.
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Posted: 11/24/2010 2:40 PM
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Posted: 11/24/2010 2:50 PM
Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more


best random reference to World B Free-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jArUB6mB6hs
Last Edited: 11/24/2010 2:51:42 PM by perimeterpost
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Posted: 11/24/2010 6:53 PM
"OHIO has received votes in the AP Top 25 (#36), Harris Interactive (#35), and Coaches Poll (#35). Meanwhile, Toledo hasn't received a single vote in any of the 3 polls."

Thanks for the posts. Interesting opinions. I saw this and COULD NOT believe it. Until Ohio learns how to recover an onside kick, we shouldn't be sniffing the Top 25!!! :-)
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