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Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 12/19/2010 12:28 PM
I know.  This isn't really another thing.  It's something that I posted in another thread that I started today.  But it's so good that I gotta use it again:

HAVING A HEALTHY, BETTER ALTERNATIVE, DID WE ACTUALLY START A QUARTERBACK IN A BOWL GAME WHOSE SEASON STATS ARE 9 COMPLETIONS IN 23 THROWS FOR 1 TD AND 3 INTERCEPTIONS?

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Posted: 12/19/2010 12:55 PM
Yes Monroe we did.

Boo didn't start for a reason. People need to learn lessons in life and find out consequences do exist.
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Posted: 12/19/2010 3:12 PM
Solich is an idiot. If you want to make a statement leave him out a series or make him sit out the whole game but the way he sparingly used him when they were already down big was idiotic. The only point he proved was he ruined our chances of winning our first bowl and embarred fans. I don't care what anybody says about Troy being better, I don't buy it. I watched South Carolina beat the crap out of them and were up 49-7 at half time. Did Solich really think he could just leave Bates in and run, run , run without Troy stacking the line and stopping them. I've seen Cam Newton and believe me Bates in not Cam Newton. You actually have to be able to throw the football and Bates looks like a girl throwing it (I apologize to all females that can probably throw it better).    
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Posted: 12/19/2010 4:45 PM
Lets not forget that in the MAC only 3 of the 13 teams had a better conference record.  Only one in MAC East and we had beat them.

In the days of the previous Coach could we have only dreamed of having such a record. How many Division Championships did OU win under Knorr?  How many bowl games?  Maybe fans were happier then with lower expectations?

It is easy for "Arm chair Quarterbacks" to find fault with coaching and play calling often without all the facts.

I commend Solich and his Coachs for greatly inproving OU football over years past. 
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Posted: 12/19/2010 11:11 PM
PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
Solich is an idiot. If you want to make a statement leave him out a series or make him sit out the whole game but the way he sparingly used him when they were already down big was idiotic. The only point he proved was he ruined our chances of winning our first bowl and embarred fans. I don't care what anybody says about Troy being better, I don't buy it. I watched South Carolina beat the crap out of them and were up 49-7 at half time. Did Solich really think he could just leave Bates in and run, run , run without Troy stacking the line and stopping them. I've seen Cam Newton and believe me Bates in not Cam Newton. You actually have to be able to throw the football and Bates looks like a girl throwing it (I apologize to all females that can probably throw it better).    


I guess you just don't get it.  Boo sat for a REASON!!  I respect Frank for doing what was a necessary, yet unpopular decision with those of you who put winning above all other things.  Bates may not be as good as QB overall as Boo but he actually deserved to start and play.  There's more to being a student athlete than what you do on the field.
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Posted: 12/19/2010 11:47 PM
Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Solich is an idiot. If you want to make a statement leave him out a series or make him sit out the whole game but the way he sparingly used him when they were already down big was idiotic. The only point he proved was he ruined our chances of winning our first bowl and embarred fans. I don't care what anybody says about Troy being better, I don't buy it. I watched South Carolina beat the crap out of them and were up 49-7 at half time. Did Solich really think he could just leave Bates in and run, run , run without Troy stacking the line and stopping them. I've seen Cam Newton and believe me Bates in not Cam Newton. You actually have to be able to throw the football and Bates looks like a girl throwing it (I apologize to all females that can probably throw it better).    


I guess you just don't get it.  Boo sat for a REASON!!  I respect Frank for doing what was a necessary, yet unpopular decision with those of you who put winning above all other things.  Bates may not be as good as QB overall as Boo but he actually deserved to start and play.  There's more to being a student athlete than what you do on the field.


If Solich made the decision to bench Jackson, then bench Jackson. Don't bring him in on 3rd and long situations. Don't sprinkle him in during desperate times in the first half. What does that prove? Is the player benched or not?

This decision did more harm than good. I respect Solich less for it. I bet the players do too. Arguably the best QB in Ohio football history, one who has given his heart and soul to this team, was "benched" during the biggest game of the year, was put in unfair situations (entering on 3rd and long), and was given a terrible sendoff to a great career.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 2:39 AM
Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Yes Monroe we did.

Boo didn't start for a reason. People need to learn lessons in life and find out consequences do exist.


Wait a minute.  The only thing that I heard about the Boo 'situation' is that he was slow to make sure that he got credit for an internship.  Not a good move (if true) on Boo's part.  But hardly a situation which merits punishment.

Either not starting Boo was not about punishment (and was purely a strategic decision) or the punishment seems very inappropriate.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 10:02 AM

Like many others I am still dumbfounded by this weekend's debacle so I'm going to do my best to get past this and move on looking forward to what honestly looks to be (from a variety of standpoints) a dream season next year.  That being said...

I usually stand up for this Staff through thick and thin but what I saw transpire last week is disturbing at best.  To echo Monroe's reminder...I still don't believe anyone has the real scoop on the underlying issues with Boo's internship and until we do I won't even bother responding to chat board assumptions.

Let's assume for the sake of argument though, that what went down did indeed warrant a benching (which is quite obviously what we saw).  IF that was the case, the way this staff handled all of the related logistics was nothing short of embarrassing.  If you're going to bench Boo, then I agree with previous posts...You simply can NOT let the game get out of hand by making it obvious to anyone watching that you can put as many defenders in the box as you want to.  When Phil threw that first INT and we saw that the rotation wasn't going to change, I knew the game was over.

If we knew ahead of time that Boo's playing time was slated to be restricted, it falls to the coaching staff to put together a game plan that at least appears to be balanced.  Obviously, the staff committed to redshirting Tyler midway through the season.  From everything I've heard though, Snyder has quite an arm.  We are a Division I program and there's no reason we shouldn't be able to have a kid ready to run at least a limited playbook.  OUr running game has been shown to be extremely volatile when the threat of the pass is present.  Considering the talent we have at receiver, there is quite simply no excuse in my mind for closing up shop before the first snap regardless of your opponent.

This doesn't mean the outcome of the game would have changed because we were also clearly not prepared for the pace of Troy's offense, but I firmly believe a National stage embarrassment could easily have been avoided.

In retrospect, it's pretty clear this was a bad match-up for OUr D to begin with.  I'm not saying we should have turned down the bid but the staff had to know we'd need to put up some significant point production to keep this close.  We needed an out of the box game plan and it looked to me like we were hurt (yet again) by an attempt to fulfill promises to, and maintain the psyche of, a valuable athlete transfer.  I just hope it didn’t damage other recruiting efforts…

Last Edited: 12/20/2010 10:02:56 AM by Bobcat36
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Posted: 12/20/2010 10:25 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
If Solich made the decision to bench Jackson, then bench Jackson. Don't bring him in on 3rd and long situations. Don't sprinkle him in during desperate times in the first half. What does that prove? Is the player benched or not?


I think the first time he "sprinkled" him in was a forced issue as a result of Bates coming up gimp after play and leaving the field.  But I agree with your premise.  When tghey showed Boo and Bates hugging just prior to the opening kickoff I turned to my family and said something to the affect of..."that's not a good sign, Boo has his helmet off."
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Posted: 12/20/2010 10:31 AM

Speaking of Bates limping off the field, I'm sure it was tough to see live but he lost footing making a cut.  I saw a number of other Ohio players running tentatively and looking awkward when changing direction as well.  Did anyone else notice this?  Is it possible we were ill prepared from a footwear perspective?

Last Edited: 12/20/2010 10:31:19 AM by Bobcat36
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Posted: 12/20/2010 11:13 AM
Plenty of errors associated with this one...bottom line (and Coach Solich said this in the NO papers):  our game plan was not good.  No kidding!  Add to that we never ADJUSTED that game plan and we all see the nightmare that ensued.

I am very disappointed that we didn't do something different in the second quarter...like junk the man to man pass defense.  How many times can you let a team run the slant pass play over the middle for huge gains and TDs before you adjust.

And another thing...one of the players said it best:  we did not tackle at the point of attack OR immediately after the catch was made.  Further, the O-line did not block.

So, we get back to more bigger, faster and stronger ATHLETES!  I continue to be dumbfounded that with our succes over the last five years (in the MAC) and with a "big time" name coach, we continue to bring in primarilly 2 star recruits.  The Toledos, NIU, Akrons and others have many more 3 star recruits than we ever do. 

Oh, sure we are competitve with MAC teams but let's face it (and we've all said it) the MAC (EAST) has sucked over the last five years.  I know we can compete with them but we can't get to Troy's level?  Very disappointing.
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