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Posted: 2/5/2011 4:37 PM
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RFox--the theoretical impact of some 4-star recruits on the field should work, though....I agree about the UMass makes no sense, especially geographically.  Good point about what do they add to the conference.


If by theoretical you mean a couple of 4-star recruits significantly impacting our competitiveness--especially against high-profile opponents--then I would agree. I could see a solid 4-star-level QB making that kind of impact, which begs the question: why does it seem so difficult for OU and other similar programs to land that kind of QB? What an opportunity the Bobcats could offer to that kind of kid.


Ordinarily, I would say TV markets, but that doesn't explain successes by WVU, Tulsa, Boise and half-dozen or so other programs.  A big part of it involves getting on TV and showing how much fun a QB or a RB or a WR can have with a wide-open playbook.  That's what the Terd did in the late '90s; that's what Tulsa and Boise do today.  And sometimes it's reading a kid's desire; Roethlisberger got offers from big schools to come play TE, but he wanted to be a QB and only one school wanted to give him the opportunity.
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Posted: 2/5/2011 4:43 PM
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Oddly, I think names are holding some schools back.  Northern, Western and Central should dump the adjectives; Toledo itself sounds second-rate; and Ball State, well, enuf said.  As for OU, it's strictly money.  Peden is a beautiful, small-town stadium, but if 10,000 seats could be added and one or two "four-star" recruits brought in (especially on offense), the Cats could draw 35,000-40,000, so long as tickets weren't priced out of the market. 


Names are only a slight advantage. Think about UCLA and Southern California do those names hold back those schools athletically?


But they're in LA, not Dekalb, Kalamazoo or Mt. Pleasant.  Makes a HUGE difference.

I agree with you about marketing.  Whenever I'm asked where I went to school, I always reply: "THE OHIO University."
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Posted: 2/9/2011 1:15 PM
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personally, I think the A-10 might be in that spot. Look at their football teams. Dayton is non-scholly, Xavier is AAA, Temple and UMASS are MAC. I doubt they will disband, but UMASS might look to jump and if they do they will force Temple's hand. Having UMASS play in the MAC might be the way to get us up to 14 in all sports.


Xavier doesn't even have a football team. A club team yes, but that's it. And they play on high school fields that they rent.

No way Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, or Charlotte are saying yes to that vote. Xavier and Dayton are looking to move up if anything. Xavier is in the top 40 in the latest RPI, putting them in a league with MAC schools dilutes that waaaaaay down.
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Posted: 3/27/2011 11:16 PM
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UNH football is going nowhere
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Uncle Wes,
Check the facts UNH has been one of the most successful programs in  the CAA and FCS for much of the last decade. 7 playoff appearances in a row, longest streak in FCS. WIns over - Rutgers, Northwestern, Army, Ball State. UNH is not moving from the CAA to the NEC...

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Posted: 4/12/2011 7:47 PM
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Indeed UNH has been very successful as of late (and I mean the past decade) yet they (like UMASS) are a tough fit in any non-BCS Confrence.
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Posted: 4/14/2011 11:00 AM
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Just returned from a sales meeting in Chicago and had Kevin Reilly as a motivational speaker. (former 'Nova/Eagles/Dolphins/Pats player from the '70's)

He talked to the AD at 'Nova Tuesday morning and said the 'Nova to BE-FB announcement was delayed a week over home stadium commitment issues, but that their official announcement of the move should come next week.

That would seemingly put the Temple stays in the MAC/UMass to the MAC wheels in motion shortly thereafter to even up the East and West.
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Posted: 4/14/2011 11:49 AM
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I wonder if UMass will be required to commit to non-conference basketball games vs. MAC schools, just as Temple has done?  It's certainly not the desireable goal of having UMass and Temple in the MAC for basketball, but it's better than nothing and will help MAC coaches with scheduling.  While UMass has not been a hoops power over the past few years, they will normally be a good RPI opponent for MAC schools. 
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Posted: 4/19/2011 11:24 AM
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Posted: 4/19/2011 11:25 AM
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Big announcements tomorrow via Jeremy Guy's twitter.  
" The Mid-American Conference (MAC) and the University of Massachusetts (UMass) will host a press conference on Wed., April 20 at 3:30 pm ET"
"The press conference will take place at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Mass. and will be streamed live on www.mac-sports.com"

Edit: Youngstown you beat me to it

Last Edited: 4/19/2011 11:26:46 AM by BBall Attack
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Posted: 4/19/2011 1:00 PM
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I can't believe they didn't force them in for basketball....what a terrible conference. Never seen such a drive to stay mediocre. The people running this piece of crap should be terminated immediately.
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Posted: 4/19/2011 1:23 PM
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Not that their basketball team would do much for us anyway.
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I can't believe they didn't force them in for basketball....what a terrible conference. Never seen such a drive to stay mediocre. The people running this piece of crap should be terminated immediately.


I posted this elsewhere once before, but the MAC is the equivalent of the rush committee at Delta Tau Chi (Animal House).  When Flounder and Stork come up for a vote, someone yells, "Yeah, we need their dues!"  That's how short sighted and desperate we are.
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Posted: 4/19/2011 2:54 PM
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What's the point of adding them?  ehh
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Posted: 4/19/2011 3:07 PM
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Like I posted earlier, maybe the "consolation prize" will be that UMass is required to play two or three non-conference basketball games vs. MAC teams every season.  Not great, but better than nothing. 
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Posted: 4/19/2011 4:04 PM
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It's nothing special, but UMass will instantly be better than many teams in the MAC. They have the potential to make the MAC a better football league, but we know if that happens, they probably won't be in the league long. It also evens the divisions. I can't really see how it can hurt, although I understand why I everyone is less than excited.
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Posted: 4/19/2011 4:51 PM
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I guess this means no more expansion for the near future. 

So that means there will not be an expansion move made to strengthen basketball.

I agree with UpSan that this move will not weaken the MAC in football competitively. 
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Posted: 4/19/2011 6:03 PM
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Someone is going to have to sell me really hard on how providing four MAC schools the opportunity to play an FBS game in an NFL football stadium in a top ten media market each season is a bad thing.

Let the tailgate begin...first one's on me!

And Dragon, I'd let you crash, but we still have the cats.
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Posted: 4/19/2011 7:12 PM
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
Someone is going to have to sell me really hard on how providing four MAC schools the opportunity to play an FBS game in an NFL football stadium in a top ten media market each season is a bad thing.

Let the tailgate begin...first one's on me!

And Dragon, I'd let you crash, but we still have the cats.


Count me in for '12 or '13!
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Posted: 4/19/2011 7:15 PM
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
Maybe the MAC is waiting to announce UMASS and the conference scheds together? (read into the article for the reference to a potential announcement in the coming week or so)

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110203/SPORTS/110209932

Also, head to the Football Threads. (sorry, couldn't link it directly)  Only 58 pages of the thread on their FBS possibilities, granted only 15 posts per page.  Great insights on FB only, FB and BB, Conference options and other assorted speculation.

http://umasshoops.com/board/index.htm


Jette from the Vineyard is quite the athlete, probably a safety at the college level. Kid can make things happen.
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Posted: 4/19/2011 7:32 PM
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
And Dragon, I'd let you crash, but we still have the cats.


Oh, I'm sure we can find a Motel 6 somewhere in the state.
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Posted: 4/19/2011 8:04 PM
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Elton says Men's and Women's BB concessions part of the deal:

 http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2011/04/university_of_massachusetts_fo.html


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Posted: 4/20/2011 1:52 AM
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On one hand... at least it's not another directional

On the other hand... does this really make the MAC more compelling? Yes, sometimes adding more turds to a toilet can make it more compelling - the tinge of excitement to see if it will flush or not. But more often than not you get a big ol' smelly mess that no one wants to see.

Yep, that's the MAC - an overflowed toilet in a nasty stall.
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First Street Forever wrote:expand_more
On one hand... at least it's not another directional

On the other hand... does this really make the MAC more compelling? Yes, sometimes adding more turds to a toilet can make it more compelling - the tinge of excitement to see if it will flush or not. But more often than not you get a big ol' smelly mess that no one wants to see.

Yep, that's the MAC - an overflowed toilet in a nasty stall.

UMASS had a higher average attendance last season than Ball State, Akron, and Buffalo.

They also played New Hampshire at Gillette and drew just shy of 33k.
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Posted: 4/20/2011 10:21 AM
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The article said there has been some thought to aligning divisions north and south. I'm not sure how that would work because so many of the schools are not much farther north or south of each other. The only distinctly south schools are Ohio, Miami, Temple and Ball State. Which other schools would be south?

The easy way to do it would be to send BG back to the West, but then do they play in the East in basketball and all other sports that use divisions? The two eastern-most schools are football-only.
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