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Posted: 5/19/2011 9:21 AM
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I may have missed it, but ESPN has an article about the Big Ten studying paying athletes for some additional expenses to the tune of $2000-$5000 per year. I'm guessing the MAC won't like that concept.  Does anybody else think that  the big boys are trying to figure out a way to get the lower tier FCS schools to drop down a notch so they don't have to share TV money and this may one way they do it?   Or is this just a way to cut the athletes in on the action.  Any thoughts?
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Posted: 5/19/2011 9:39 AM
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This sounds like a nightmare to implement. Basically, from Gene Smith's quote, the Big 10 is suggesting that schools don't really need to follow the same rules any more. So what if after the Big 10 decides on $5,000, the SEC decides to pay its athletes $10,000, and then the Big 12 raises it to $12,000, and so on and so on. And I'm sure the Title IX people will make sure the female fencer gets the same stipend as the star quarterback. Good luck with this, Big 11. 
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Posted: 5/19/2011 10:35 AM
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This subject really gets under my skin...

A free education that most kids are still paying off welll into their 30's?  Free room and board.  Free books.  Free dedicated tutoring.  And players can't scrape up enough money on their own to buy beer and pizza?  Seriously now...This is completely out of hand...

Not to mention (as Mike already pointed out) this is just going to turn into an arms race...

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Posted: 5/19/2011 10:40 AM
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I'm sure it's to get an edge, one way or another.

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Posted: 5/19/2011 11:06 AM
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Bobcat36 wrote:expand_more

This subject really gets under my skin...

A free education that most kids are still paying off welll into their 30's?  Free room and board.  Free books.  Free dedicated tutoring.  And players can't scrape up enough money on their own to buy beer and pizza?  Seriously now...This is completely out of hand...

Not to mention (as Mike already pointed out) this is just going to turn into an arms race...



my thoughts exactly.

I feel like most athletes not from the Big 6 feel more humble when they go to school essentially for free.  But I feel like student athletes that sign with a Big 6 school feel like they're entitled to more than just a free education.  it really makes me sick to think that collegiate athletes think this way sometimes.

I personally think the most humbling experience anyone can have is to work hard, and I mean harder than you ever worked before, for a group, team, or organization without getting paid.  It builds character in athletes and for some at least, puts things in perspective for just how lucky they are to have an opportunity like this.
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Posted: 5/19/2011 12:33 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6564134

The elite trying to take it up notch.
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Posted: 5/19/2011 2:42 PM
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And I'm sure the Title IX people will make sure the female fencer gets the same stipend as the star quarterback. Good luck with this, Big 11. 


That's the rub... and a very interesting one at that.

Say this goes down as MC foreshadows - all athletes, same stipend. I bet that many sports will be cut or repackaged as club types.
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Posted: 5/19/2011 2:46 PM
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KyleWvr13 wrote:expand_more
I personally think the most humbling experience anyone can have is to work hard, and I mean harder than you ever worked before, for a group, team, or organization without getting paid.  It builds character in athletes and for some at least, puts things in perspective for just how lucky they are to have an opportunity like this.


I agree, but that type of thinking fell out of popular favor along with malt shops, jitterbugs and hoop skirts...
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Posted: 5/19/2011 3:48 PM
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Bobcat36 wrote:expand_more
This subject really gets under my skin...


A free education that most kids are still paying off welll into their 30's?  Free room and board.  Free books.  Free dedicated tutoring.  And players can't scrape up enough money on their own to buy beer and pizza?  Seriously now...This is completely out of hand...

Not to mention (as Mike already pointed out) this is just going to turn into an arms race...


The flip side of this is to look at the revenue that the players bring in for the University, and to look at the huge stair-step in pay they get when they transition from College to NFL. From that standpoint it is possible to argue that the elite minority that will go to the NFL are "underpaid" while being forced to play college football prior to the NFL.

The whole problem goes back to how appropriate it is for Colleges to be farm clubs for the NFL in the first place. Perhaps football should have a situation like baseball does, with NFL having farm teams, and drafting kids out of highschool, and colleges providing an alternate path. The kids after the immediate money can choose the farm team, while those that want the paid education can opt for the college route. It hasn't destroyed college Basketball nor Baseball that kids can be drafted from high school.

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Posted: 5/19/2011 4:29 PM
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I see your point LC...Football is a little different concern at that age though as far as pure physical risk but that's a whole different conversation.

I get that the Universities are making a bundle off of these kids but honestly, Corporate America makes a bundle off of all their employees as well.  It's how the system works and if individuals don't want to take part in it they "start their own business".

At the end of the day, just like the NCAA commercials say, there are thousands of student athletes that "become pros in something other than sports".  We are talking about the very very small minority who's jerseys are sold, likenesses utilized in games and move on to NFL contracts and even those choose to accept scholarships.  If nothing else (in addition to a free education) they are provided with the coaching and training and visibility that along with their natural abilities, provides them an inroad into the NFL.
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Posted: 5/19/2011 11:33 PM
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The NCAA seems pretty corrupt and spineless.  Anything that takes money from their big, fat, greedy paws is a good thing.  I'm not even that concerned with who the cashcash goes to just so long as some of these NCAA peoples get whipsawed.
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Posted: 5/20/2011 12:01 AM
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Honestly, I can support a limited, restricted system. Because athletes aren't permitted to work, you're basically forcing them to depend on family for support. Yes, they're getting free whatever (assuming they're on full scholarship), but they're on their own for life expenses. Academic awards come with stipends. No reason athletic awards can't.
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Posted: 5/20/2011 10:07 AM
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Actually they are allowed to work...I believe though that they're limited as far as hours go.  I understand that during the season it wouldn't be possible but many students work only over the Summers and save for expenses throughout the year.  If we're talking about a 2-5K gap between what's already covered and what's considered "living expenses" there's no reason to believe that these kids can't make that on their own over the summer just like any other student attempting to take responsibility for his / her own life.

This is nothing more than another recruiting tool and for the big 6 conferences to say otherwise is a farce. 

 
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Posted: 5/20/2011 12:14 PM
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Steinbrecher spoke on it for ESPN, seems pretty lukewarm to the idea.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6566975
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Posted: 5/20/2011 2:19 PM
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This is how the BCS conferences will finally kick everyone else to the curb.  They have the $ to do it and others probably don't and they know it.
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Posted: 5/20/2011 10:22 PM
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IMHO, it is somewhat restraint of trade that ex-HS BB and FB players do not have a professional "minor league" in which to ply their trade.  Forcing a BBaller to go to college that can't make the jump direct to the NBA from HS when they have no interest in finishing an education is a sham.  But hey, the NBA and NFL have the perfect system in not having the expense of creating a minor league system.

And if the big Six want to play 12 games a year against themselves and beat the hell out of each other, kicking non-AQ's to the curb, then so be it.  They may need to expand their rosters, though, so lets just blow the whole NCAA up and let the Big Six make their own rules.
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Posted: 5/20/2011 10:24 PM
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
IMHO, it is somewhat restraint of trade that ex-HS BB and FB players do not have a professional "minor league" in which to ply their trade.  Forcing a BBaller to go to college that can't make the jump direct to the NBA from HS when they have no interest in finishing an education is a sham.  But hey, the NBA and NFL have the perfect system in not having the expense of creating a minor league system.
D-League?
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Posted: 5/20/2011 10:50 PM
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anorris wrote:expand_more
IMHO, it is somewhat restraint of trade that ex-HS BB and FB players do not have a professional "minor league" in which to ply their trade.  Forcing a BBaller to go to college that can't make the jump direct to the NBA from HS when they have no interest in finishing an education is a sham.  But hey, the NBA and NFL have the perfect system in not having the expense of creating a minor league system.
D-League?


True, the D league exists, but it is a weak sister to the NHL and MLB systems, as evidenced by the high school sized crowds in support of their games.


Just checked the rosters, only two players in D league's 16 teams with no college affiliation, one of whom is from Nigeria.
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