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Alan Swank
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Posted: 6/7/2011 10:43 PM
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After reading this article, it may be time to close it all down.  Until that happens, this sort of stuff will continue to happen across the board.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6637444 ;
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Posted: 6/7/2011 11:52 PM
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"Pryor's attorney, Larry James, denied the allegations against his client."

Did anyone on this board have an attorney while in school?
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Posted: 6/8/2011 12:27 AM
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" Pryor may not have been the first active Buckeye player to collect cash for signatures from Talbott. The parent of one former Ohio State player told "Outside the Lines" that he saw Talbott provide what he called "stacks of money" to active Buckeye players, including a player now in the NFL."

If this is true, this is worse than USC, despite claims to the contrary made recently by one esteemed poster in another thread on this board.  Boy, it kind of looks to me like O$U is working overtime to singlehandedly take Weiner-gate out of the headlines.  Could George Soros or the Huffington Post really be behind this?  A vast left-wing conspiracy?  (Sorry, Alan, I couldn't help myself . .  for those whose sarcasm detectors are faulty: THIS IS A JOKE!)
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Posted: 6/8/2011 6:03 AM
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And Pryor won't be the last either.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 7:36 AM
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It is, after all, THE O$U!!!
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Posted: 6/8/2011 8:21 AM
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"Pryor's attorney, Larry James, denied the allegations against his client."

Did anyone on this board have an attorney while in school?


Uhh, we're talking about routine representation and press conferences, only, right?  In that case, No.

On the topic, anyone who has been in Columus during football season and still has any doubts about the veracity of the claims of "preferred treatment" is an A&M Pollyanna of the first order.  The only surprise here is that anyone is suprised.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 4:32 PM
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I think you guys missed Alan's point. Pryor is a symptom of a huge problem. Is it curable? I'm not sure anymore.

But it makes me like college football less than I already do.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 5:33 PM
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Wow...while most consider the death penalty for OSU to be the most draconian outcome possible, Prophet Swank emerges from the wilderness and calls for the death penalty for an entire sport.

Well, one thing's for sure...I'm now less likely to fork out $70 for a ticket to see Ohio play at one of these football factories.   
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Posted: 6/8/2011 7:34 PM
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I just hope we're doing the right thing at Ohio. Not making any suggestions, starting any rumors, or pointing to anything I know, I just really hope my alma mater is true to its word. The more and more I read about all these schools getting into trouble just makes me wonder...

Paranoid much? Maybe. Especially since most of the schools indicated in the past 2 years or so have been from major conferences. I would think in a community as small as Athens it would be hard to keep things quiet or secret, which makes me believe even more that WE ARE doing things by the book.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 8:46 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5845736

it just makes Gordon Gee comments all the more laughable
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Posted: 6/8/2011 11:32 PM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I just hope we're doing the right thing at Ohio.


In a town where people piss and moan about a family of four having to pay $99 to see EVERY FREAKING GAME, I think the $100 handshakes would be more like two bits.  I think the NCAA has fifty or sixty bigger fish to fry, and that just includes FB.
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Posted: 6/8/2011 11:38 PM
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There is nothing WRONG with College Football.  It is a great game full of theater, tradition and game day pageantry.  The problem is the NCAA.

 Easy Fix:

 Go back to the founding and run it like a Republic.  You have an elected governing body with a CLEAR set of Rules (Laws) established by the elected governing body.  No need for a 10K+ page bureaucratic tax manual.  Simple, clear, direct laws enforced by the governing body.  If you break a rule (law) there are clear concise consequences.  Equal justice for all members.  No special crony laws will be tolerated.  The Ohio State’s play by the same rules as the  Gardner Webb’s.  Equal justice for all NCAA team members.  It’s not that complicated.   

 The Problem:

 Look up the board of directors for the NCAA.  Over 95% are life time government employees of our public education system.  These are supposed to be the smartest people.  Really?  LOOK AT THEIR RESULTS.  They are running the NCAA like big government bureaucrats.  They are crony capitalists giving long time special favors to those who can contribute the most to their coffers (BCS).  It’s like Tark the Shark once said; “Ohio State cheated so the NCAA is going to put Cleveland State on probation”.  The NCAA today is being run like the new HC bill.  The NCAA has evolved into a bureaucratic quagmire of crony capitalism.  Thank goodness we won’t have to wait for the new HC bill to evolve into crony capitalism.  It has already started off with more than a thousand waivers given only to certain cronies who have coughed up enough money to right campaign coffers.  Night clubs, strips clubs and fortune 500 companies are all cashing in.  Neither system can last very long in their current state. 

 Here is your board of directors for the NCAA: They must be smart...just look at their results!

 http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=BOARD   

Keep in mind we are told these are the smart people!  Almost all of them have a guaranteed life time income paid for by the revenue creators and you are never to question their out put.  It’s year after year of following the same proven failed destructive systems.  Never question them.  Because your just not smart enough to understand it. 

 These people all have one thing in common.  Most of them have spent their entire careers trying to figure out how to legislated money away from those that have created it.  In laymen’s terms…there is always a grey area for the common good…their good.  Rules and laws are only for certain people.  Play their game and you may get a wavier.  Unless of course you are Ohio State and your congressional Wiener is exposed.  You still get to hang around for awhile since you played the game…but  you will still be exposed for who you truly are. 

 College Football is awesome!  Why shut it down?  Fix the education cartel and you will return the NCAA to the governing body it was intended to be.     

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Posted: 6/9/2011 11:24 AM
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College football is not the problem.  TV honchos, shoe company's, tire manufacturers and athletic waana bes and hangers on are at the root of most of the trouble.

Here's my idea.  First, prohibit the selling of suites, party towers and even tickets.  Open the stadiums up free to those who want to see a GAME and let them obtain tickets on a first come, first served basis by exerting some real effort like walking to a ticket window.  Schedule every game at every school for 1:00 on Saturday afternoon so it can be woven into the campus social calendar again.

Make it illegal for a TV network to show an amatuer contest while charging advertisers for the privelige of showing ads.  If the affiliated campus public station or a local braodcaster wants to televise the GAME, Great!  Maybe donations to the CPB will increase.

Shoe contracts, uni sponsorships and merchandise sales with players names and numbers would be illegal and players would not be allowed to appear at press conferences, award shows and radio spots no matter how worthy the cause unless it's to run for the student senate.

Once this has all been allowed to be absorbed by the general public for a season or two let some AD's or President's get together to tweak this whole thing and make just enough changes to ensure that the whole thing goes even further in the direction of a true amateur sport.

How do we pay for it?  Pay for play, just like HS. Popcorn sales pay for any coach who isn't a volunteer, officals and team equipment. Tthe university kicks in their share like it does for other student activities.  Maybe players and fans are reduced to car pooling to play Rio Grande and Capital and even A&M but who doesn't like a road trip?

And, yes, I am dead serious.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 2:06 PM
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Bobcatbob wrote:expand_more
College football is not the problem.  TV honchos, shoe company's, tire manufacturers and athletic waana bes and hangers on are at the root of most of the trouble.

Here's my idea.  First, prohibit the selling of suites, party towers and even tickets.  Open the stadiums up free to those who want to see a GAME and let them obtain tickets on a first come, first served basis by exerting some real effort like walking to a ticket window.  Schedule every game at every school for 1:00 on Saturday afternoon so it can be woven into the campus social calendar again.

Make it illegal for a TV network to show an amatuer contest while charging advertisers for the privelige of showing ads.  If the affiliated campus public station or a local braodcaster wants to televise the GAME, Great!  Maybe donations to the CPB will increase.

Shoe contracts, uni sponsorships and merchandise sales with players names and numbers would be illegal and players would not be allowed to appear at press conferences, award shows and radio spots no matter how worthy the cause unless it's to run for the student senate.

Once this has all been allowed to be absorbed by the general public for a season or two let some AD's or President's get together to tweak this whole thing and make just enough changes to ensure that the whole thing goes even further in the direction of a true amateur sport.

How do we pay for it?  Pay for play, just like HS. Popcorn sales pay for any coach who isn't a volunteer, officals and team equipment. Tthe university kicks in their share like it does for other student activities.  Maybe players and fans are reduced to car pooling to play Rio Grande and Capital and even A&M but who doesn't like a road trip?

And, yes, I am dead serious.



But then how will the NCAA executives pay for their hot tubs full of brown gravy?
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Posted: 6/9/2011 3:18 PM
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Sorry if the following question has been answered before but I must ask anyway. Does anyone know just who was paying for Pryor's lawyer while he was still enrolled at ohio state? Depending on who's paying this could be a violation in itself.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 3:26 PM
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C Money wrote:expand_more
College football is not the problem.  TV honchos, shoe company's, tire manufacturers and athletic waana bes and hangers on are at the root of most of the trouble.

Here's my idea.  First, prohibit the selling of suites, party towers and even tickets.  Open the stadiums up free to those who want to see a GAME and let them obtain tickets on a first come, first served basis by exerting some real effort like walking to a ticket window.  Schedule every game at every school for 1:00 on Saturday afternoon so it can be woven into the campus social calendar again.

Make it illegal for a TV network to show an amatuer contest while charging advertisers for the privelige of showing ads.  If the affiliated campus public station or a local braodcaster wants to televise the GAME, Great!  Maybe donations to the CPB will increase.

Shoe contracts, uni sponsorships and merchandise sales with players names and numbers would be illegal and players would not be allowed to appear at press conferences, award shows and radio spots no matter how worthy the cause unless it's to run for the student senate.

Once this has all been allowed to be absorbed by the general public for a season or two let some AD's or President's get together to tweak this whole thing and make just enough changes to ensure that the whole thing goes even further in the direction of a true amateur sport.

How do we pay for it?  Pay for play, just like HS. Popcorn sales pay for any coach who isn't a volunteer, officals and team equipment. Tthe university kicks in their share like it does for other student activities.  Maybe players and fans are reduced to car pooling to play Rio Grande and Capital and even A&M but who doesn't like a road trip?

And, yes, I am dead serious.



But then how will the NCAA executives pay for their hot tubs full of brown gravy?


So they'll have something for us to add when we visit the mashed potato bin. 
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Posted: 6/9/2011 3:57 PM
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davepi2 wrote:expand_more
Sorry if the following question has been answered before but I must ask anyway. Does anyone know just who was paying for Pryor's lawyer while he was still enrolled at ohio state? Depending on who's paying this could be a violation in itself.


Reports say he was making near 40K per year (tax free) plus some nice wheels and living conditions.  While he could pay for it with his own professional football income I am guessing the legal work is pro bono.  Lots of free press/advertising for the legal team.  
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Posted: 6/9/2011 5:34 PM
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I am fairly certain that Larry James, Pryor's attorney, has a very nice practice in c-bus, and is in it as much for seeing his name in the paper as anything else.  I'm also pretty certain that James' wife is a very successful business woman in her own right, so James probably is not in it for the money...    
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Posted: 6/15/2011 2:31 PM
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"Pryor's attorney, Larry James, denied the allegations against his client."

Did anyone on this board have an attorney while in school?


You mean the allegations of infractions he just "apologized" for committing in his 90 second press conference?  Those allegations?  
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