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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:52 AM
Article tells me you want to win, cheat. ;)
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:55 AM
It's nice that the MAC is held up as a postive example in this case.  It indicates a genuine interest in amateurism as a foundation for its sports programs.

We're in some pretty good company on that list IMHO.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 10:19 AM
We unfortunately take our amateurism to the extreme in many ways.  Like Ball State having the softball team change clothes in a parking lot because they can't provide a locker room.  Or Ohio getting rid of administrative support for many sports.  So much for the "learning workshop" or whatever it's called.

 
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Posted: 6/22/2011 7:43 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
We unfortunately take our amateurism to the extreme in many ways.  Like Ball State having the softball team change clothes in a parking lot because they can't provide a locker room.  Or Ohio getting rid of administrative support for many sports.  So much for the "learning workshop" or whatever it's called.

 


Huh? Part of why we're a learning workshop is the lack of administrative support. Less administrators = more students doing administrative-type things. The reason the department can provide so many opportunities for students is because the full-time staff is so small. There's students doing things at OU that they couldn't dream of doing with bigger programs.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:10 PM
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Article tells me you want to win, cheat. ;)


What it tells me is that Joe Pa's contribution to college football is vastly underrated.  Not only is he the winningest coach ever in 1A, he also has the cleanest record.  I read today that PSU is self-reporting a minor infraction because Joe Pa happened to stop by the weight room for a few minutes while some players were working out -- something he's not supposed to do until fall practice begins.  Wonder how many programs at any level would self-report that.

I also noticed that two or three of the "innocents" (NWern, Stanford and maybe BC) focus more on academics than winning.  Less pressure on coaches equates to cleaner programs.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:40 AM
And what does that get those teams? A big trophy? Increased TV exposure? Maybe you missed the last two trips to Evanston Illinois, but there were more people in a South Side Ghetto Bar than at the game. He'll even Oregon is having things surface about the past year, and they aren't 6 months removed from their run.

Joe PA has zero relevance in today's game, he'll his own alumni association has asked him to retire.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 8:27 AM
Running a clean program is more important to me than winning. So is the academic success of our players.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 8:59 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Running a clean program is more important to me than winning. So is the academic success of our players.
+1
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:40 AM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
Running a clean program is more important to me than winning. So is the academic success of our players.


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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:40 AM
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Running a clean program is more important to me than winning. So is the academic success of our players.


+1

I love winning and I dream of being in a BCS game someday (will never happen because we simply don't have the fans) or making the Final Four, but any of that would be completely tainted if we were caught in a scandal or had no one graduate.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 9:23 PM
We complain about losing games that should have been won.  We complain about few butts in the seats.  We  complain about lack of enthusiasm in the fan base.  We even complain about the troubles at downtown bars.  But at least (so far) we haven't had the kind of pall that has hung over "Buckeye Nation" the past six months and will be there for years. 
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Posted: 6/24/2011 12:22 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Article tells me you want to win, cheat. ;)


I also noticed that two or three of the "innocents" (NWern, Stanford and maybe BC) focus more on academics than winning.  Less pressure on coaches equates to cleaner programs.


I can't speak knowledgeably about Northwestern and BC, but I do know that at Stanford there is plenty of pressure on coaches.  Indeed, Stanford hasn't been very patient with coaches who don't win big.  (As I recall the school ranks first or second in all-time NCAA national team sport championships.)  As to football I do believe it likely that Stanford has been spared some player behavior problems because of its adherence to its academic standards. 
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Posted: 6/24/2011 8:02 AM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
Article tells me you want to win, cheat. ;)


I also noticed that two or three of the "innocents" (NWern, Stanford and maybe BC) focus more on academics than winning.  Less pressure on coaches equates to cleaner programs.


I can't speak knowledgeably about Northwestern and BC, but I do know that at Stanford there is plenty of pressure on coaches.  Indeed, Stanford hasn't been very patient with coaches who don't win big.  (As I recall the school ranks first or second in all-time NCAA national team sport championships.)  As to football I do believe it likely that Stanford has been spared some player behavior problems because of its adherence to its academic standards. 


A friend of mine's son graduated from Stanford last year and got drafted into the NFL.
Stanford montiored his academics from the time he committed.They made sure he knew they didn't want a Senior Slump.
They were also up front with him about his choice of majors.
He originally wanted to go Pre-med.They told him that, even though he came from one of the best Catholic high schools in N.J.,with  his grades and S.A.T. scores they didn't think he could handle both football and a Pre-med course load.
He took their advise,majored in Business and graduated in 4 years.
 
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Posted: 6/24/2011 8:55 AM
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(As I recall the school ranks first or second in all-time NCAA national team sport championships.)


Don't know where Stanford is, but I believe UCLA has a good lead on everyone else in this category.
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Posted: 6/24/2011 10:56 AM
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(As I recall the school ranks first or second in all-time NCAA national team sport championships.)


Don't know where Stanford is, but I believe UCLA has a good lead on everyone else in this category.


UCLA 107, Stanford 100, USC 93 and next is Oklahoma State 50 and Texas 48.
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Posted: 6/25/2011 11:38 AM
Bobcat36 wrote:expand_more
Running a clean program is more important to me than winning. So is the academic success of our players.


+1


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